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Midig posted:You also forget that when you have more you want more. Now you want a car, a boat, a hut etc. Please stop projecting onto others. And what the gently caress do you mean by a "hut"? I can build a stick fort for free in the woods out back, I don't need to be a billionaire.
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Depends how much time-money trade off you want to make. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P73REgj-3UE Even if you actually wanted to buy materials it wouldn't be billionaire levels tho.
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Midig posted:BTW bold guy deserves to be in this thread too: This is incredible. This guy has multiple weird miniseries of content. I sure do want to hear about the adventures of Horny Tony!
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Who What Now posted:Please stop projecting onto others. I mean, that is a documented phenomenon: that the more you have, the more you want. Some people are good at resisting that, but to a certain degree, opulent displays of wealth become addictive. It seems like most of the people who win the lottery and blow all the money do so because they lose sight of the fact that even a big pile of money is finite. It's the same reason you have athletes who make a shitload of money and then a few years later you hear about them declaring bankruptcy. It's easy to lose sight of the difference between "need" and "want" when everything in the "need" column is so thoroughly taken care of that you forget you ever needed to worry about it in the first place. There are strategies to prevent this--a lot of it boils down to "remember that you still have to be responsible for your money," sort of--but the average person, given a massive amount of money, is going to struggle to keep a healthy perspective and not just keep wanting more.
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This is very true. In the last decade, my salary has gone from ~$60K to ~$105K. It's been a constant fight to make sure I didn't just up my lifestyle to match my salary. Some of it was unavoidable (going from renting a shared townhouse to owning a home on one income and buying a car once my old one bit the dust) but the little things like increased cable plans, cell phones, etc are things I am constantly vigilant about. It also helps I work with negative examples, as in guys who can't make it month to month on $100K+ without additional funds from things like work travel, bonuses, etc. I know most people here see that as impossible, but it's easy when you have payments on a house, trailer, two boats, a car, a bro truck, and a four wheeler. All while sending your kid through private schools for no good goddamn reason. People get used to lots of money, and it perniciously increases your lifestyle in ways that don't really increase your quality of life while massively increasing the cost.
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gj field marshal for the multi page derail debating if having money is good
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Guavanaut posted:Depends how much time-money trade off you want to make. It makes me sad that a man built a better house out of literal mud, sticks, and rocks than I am ever likely to own. Also probably more compliant with fire regs than most new builds in the UK. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Aug 29, 2017 |
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So we all know comics are garbage and especially the last few years Marvel has been a dumpster fire with some rare exceptions. Now here's a man who cant stop talking about how bad SJWs ruined comics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsJMpOvTFVc
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Aug 29, 2017 17:58
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Archer666 posted:So we all know comics are garbage and especially the last few years Marvel has been a dumpster fire with some rare exceptions. Jesus christ, like 8/10 of the related videos have whining about "THE ESSJOOZ!!!" in the title.
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Aug 29, 2017 18:02
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nine-gear crow posted:Also yes please tell me how my relatively economically stable country with its popular Prime Minister and new-found status as a de facto world leader in light of the US electing an angry clown with brain problems its leader is turbofucked because we're taking in a relatively small number of refugees the US doesn't want anyway, weird internet cartoon person. we're the most SJW country so it makes sense
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Archer666 posted:So we all know comics are garbage and especially the last few years Marvel has been a dumpster fire with some rare exceptions. Non superhero comics are fine. People that never move on from marval and DC poo poo are weird. I'm sure the stories must be repeating themselves now.
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Harrow posted:I mean, that is a documented phenomenon: that the more you have, the more you want. Some people are good at resisting that, but to a certain degree, opulent displays of wealth become addictive. There's also an enormous problem of poor financial education in this country, on top of what you said. But to say that people are lying when they say they would try to be better than that is just asinine.
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rkajdi posted:This is very true. In the last decade, my salary has gone from ~$60K to ~$105K. It's been a constant fight to make sure I didn't just up my lifestyle to match my salary. Some of it was unavoidable (going from renting a shared townhouse to owning a home on one income and buying a car once my old one bit the dust) but the little things like increased cable plans, cell phones, etc are things I am constantly vigilant about. It also helps I work with negative examples, as in guys who can't make it month to month on $100K+ without additional funds from things like work travel, bonuses, etc. I know most people here see that as impossible, but it's easy when you have payments on a house, trailer, two boats, a car, a bro truck, and a four wheeler. All while sending your kid through private schools for no good goddamn reason. Eh, it totally increases your quality of life beyond a certain point; it's just that the vast majority of people who make good money lack the perspective to understand how good they have it (because most of them have had good jobs for their entire adult lives they just see it as a normal state of affairs). Most Americans don't make enough money to comfortably go on vacations or save up enough to reduce the possibility of future financial ruin. I mean, one could argue that there isn't much of a difference in quality between making 80k and 150k or something, but there's absolutely a difference between living paycheck to paycheck and being able to actually save money and not constantly worry about the possibility of imminent financial ruin. So I guess rather than it being a continuum where "more money" = "more happiness", there's a threshold of sorts where, if you go beyond it, your quality of life dramatically increases (but doesn't continue to increase much past that). While I agree that the sort of psychological process you mention happens with the vast majority of people who make a lot of money (and I'm considering anything above like ~60k a lot*, because, well, it is), it doesn't change the fact that it makes people actively toxic to society as a whole. Like, I have a social group that consists of a bunch of really well off people, and they're not stereotypes or anything; they're generally perfectly nice people. But they're just fundamentally incapable of caring much about poverty/inequality on an emotional level. This isn't to say they don't care at all (I'm sure many/most of them would like to see poverty decrease), but it's more that it's just too easy for them to keep living their awesome lives and not invest themselves in fixing those problems (and generally there's no way they'd be willing to sacrifice their quality of life to achieve these goals). So I guess my feeling about well-meaning wealthy (or upper middle class or whatever) people is that I don't hate them on a personal level, but that (to use a goofy analogy) they're still like viruses within the human body that is society. Wealthy people who aren't well meaning and actively believe they're better than the poor are just animals who aren't even human, but I imagine that's a thing most reasonable people would agree about. *For a single individual without dependents, since it's like twice the median individual income
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Who What Now posted:Please stop projecting onto others. Maybe this is just a Norwegian thing. But a hut is something most people really want to have over here. A nice place to stay in the holidays. https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/tmwebapps/test/43c91e2d-2dd4-48e6-905e-90fba00e5e1e Also, I am not projecting. I am just aware of what optimism bias is. "Getting filthy rich and becoming a greedy fucker, pah. That is something to happens to OTHER PEOPLE, but not ME!" EDIT: Cottage. Duly noted. Midig fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Aug 29, 2017 |
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apparently the alt right is really pissy about assassins creed origins. http://steamcommunity.com/app/582160/discussions/ jesus gently caress.  http://i.imgur.com/IjrNUqH.png http://i.imgur.com/ZLuDurE.png
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that's a cottage. huts are what premodern tribals live in.
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Well, looks like getting the ADL on board is having the desired effect of starving the trash people on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8HJrr4-7B8 Paul Joseph Watson is calling it a day, at least temporarily. His quitting video is his newest work for two weeks, so maybe the shitbag means it. And if demonetization is happening to alt-right stuff, I expect it to disappear pretty quickly off the site. People are fine yelling crazy and making bank, but the second they are doing it for free they start losing interest.
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Groovelord Neato posted:that's a cottage. If I had a billion dollars I would still want that just for the sake of irony.
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So, has there been any movement on that civil suit brought against Sargon by that woman from the local soap shop who he organized an international harassment mob against because she wore a t-shirt he didn't like while helping him pick out his scented bath salts?
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nine-gear crow posted:So, has there been any movement on that civil suit brought against Sargon by that woman from the local soap shop who he organized an international harassment mob against because she wore a t-shirt he didn't like while helping him pick out his scented bath salts? Wait, what? Sargon is a dickbag, but I never heard about him doing this. It's disappointing but not surprising to hear that he started harassing random women in meatspace.
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Aug 29, 2017 19:12
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nine-gear crow posted:So, has there been any movement on that civil suit brought against Sargon by that woman from the local soap shop who he organized an international harassment mob against because she wore a t-shirt he didn't like while helping him pick out his scented bath salts? Well to be fair he did apologize and took the pic down, then made a video about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvvESQGP7FU
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rkajdi posted:Wait, what? Sargon is a dickbag, but I never heard about him doing this. It's disappointing but not surprising to hear that he started harassing random women in meatspace. He basically doxxed some lady wearing a feminist shirt at a store he was shopping at. His mob promptly hounded her on social media and in real life.
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i'm the part where the self described genius intellectual is shocked that a feminist woman works at a high end soap store and spa devoted to vegetarian products and opposing animal testing
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rkajdi posted:Well, looks like getting the ADL on board is having the desired effect of starving the trash people on YouTube. Edit; Actually, he doesn't seem that different from "centrists". Moaning about the lack of free speech on a privately owned platform and then talking about the "fight" when he by admission never leaves his house, which means his only form of political engagement is to post on social media and YouTube. Gorn Myson fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Aug 29, 2017 |
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Archer666 posted:Well to be fair he did apologize and took the pic down, then made a video about it. But then again, he's stupid but he ain't that stupid, he knows his fanbase are a bunch of baying dogs who take pride in their ability and willingness to harass people, he must have known this was a possibility if not a complete likelihood. This poor lady didn't ask to be part of any of this, and he just makes her the target of a hate mob because he can. Absolute scum.
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OwlFancier posted:It makes me sad that a man built a better house out of literal mud, sticks, and rocks than I am ever likely to own. That channel's based out of Australia, iirc, so that mud house is probably worth ~$600,000 AUD going by market rates.
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Gorn Myson posted:PJW could be talking about a full proof way of achieving full communism and I'd still think "christ, what a wanker". Yeah, centrism and bug gently caress crazy alt-right (he's an Info Wars contributor) are exactly the same.  Also, there are plenty of people who aren't crazy anarchists or the like (so like the center-left) who are fine with having Nazis getting their throats punched. Everyone with half a brain realizes that giving white supremacy a clean run at things is how you get decent people hurt and killed.I'm also now seeing more stuff about this demonetization stuff from other alt-righters. Sargon has videos about it on his channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNGPVIX8VBk And here's a Thinkery piece he's doing about "censorship" of "reasonable right wingers" like Milo, Richard Spenser, and Jihad Watch by web hosts, Paypal, Facebook, and Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z8-kU15lqw I think turning against the tech industry is the thing that's going to get these guys crushed, since without the net these guys don't have a platform to get cash from and will go back to doing whatever half-employed poo poo job they were in before. The proper word for this is progress, not censorship. If these guys weren't so odious that companies didn't want their ads playing beside them, Google never would have pushed this stuff.
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it will never stop being wonderful that a bunch of dudes who cum at the mention of the free market and who oppose socialism are now screaming and crying about how they deserve subsidies to share their low quality opinions with the marketplace of ideas and how they should be provided with a platform to broadcast their opinions from without earning said platform other than through the equality of speech mandated by government
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Archer666 posted:So we all know comics are garbage and especially the last few years Marvel has been a dumpster fire with some rare exceptions. It's weird because Thor has been consistently great for like five years now
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Regarde Aduck posted:Non superhero comics are fine. People that never move on from marval and DC poo poo are weird. I'm sure the stories must be repeating themselves now. Superhero comics are fine. Non cape books are fine. The stupid elitism about not reading superhero books stopped being cool in the late 90s. The big three all put out excellent books and garbage ones.
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rkajdi posted:Yeah, centrism and bug gently caress crazy alt-right (he's an Info Wars contributor) are exactly the same. e: though, i mean, i personally don't believe "centrist" is a word that has any actual political utility due to the sheer relativistic nature of the word, so 
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boner confessor posted:it will never stop being wonderful that a bunch of dudes who cum at the mention of the free market and who oppose socialism are now screaming and crying about how they deserve subsidies to share their low quality opinions with the marketplace of ideas and how they should be provided with a platform to broadcast their opinions from without earning said platform other than through the equality of speech mandated by government Yeah it's always vote with your wallets when it's some sort of consumer revolt against those awful women or what not, but as soon as it involves anything with them it's censorship. Again, it's the idea that the only consumers who have money to spend on poo poo (young professionals) see your ideas as toxic, and this advertisers don't want to be associated with them. Also, LOL Sargon is thinking of getting into the Amazon or Audible affiliate scam. He's used to making a bunch off of his multiple streams (YouTube ads, Patreon, his computer janitor business) and now one of them has apparently dried up and Patreon might be next. Archer666 posted:So we all know comics are garbage and especially the last few years Marvel has been a dumpster fire with some rare exceptions. As mentioned, Thor is a good comic right now, and had been fir the better part of a decade. Marvel's having sales issues, but I suspect it's less to due with being a dumpster fire and more that their books are more expensive than DC's, and that lots of comic readers are regressive shits. Most of the new "SJW" books are pretty good, and lots of the failure is due to trying to push new characters. It also doesn't help that Marvel's most diverse property (X-Men) is also the one they don't want to bother with because of move rights.
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Weren't the new 'sjw' books actually selling well compared to the rest of the line?
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Superhero comics are fine. Non cape books are fine. The stupid elitism about not reading superhero books stopped being cool in the late 90s. The big three all put out excellent books and garbage ones. Also true, and it's always been true. People just forget about most of the old properties that didn't work out from the past (remember Omega the Unknown or Prez?) and are taking most books coming out being failures as something special. For Marvel at least, I can only think of two solo characters who've been able to consistently carry a book and were created after the silver age-- Deadpool and Wolverine. The newest of these is over 25 years old, and there are constant attempts since then. Ms. Marvel is the only thing that popular from the current cohort, and with her I want to see how she does once Wilson isn't writing her anymore before I think she's going to be a long term success.
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Rumda posted:Weren't the new 'sjw' books actually selling well compared to the rest of the line? Yes. The disappointments are things like the million Avengers books and the X-Men. Which with the latter not being allowed to do all that much new I don't see why they even bother to publish it. Some of the minority character books haven't done well, but things like a Wasp or Nova comic don't exactly seem designed to be best sellers. DC is doing well because their relaunch is a zero chances one with all the oldest and most boring white dude characters they can find. Things like Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur or Ms. Marvel are selling decently well, just not through the traditional nerd dungeon model. Turns out an audience of younger girls/women don't want to go into a small smelly LGC and get gawked at by a bunch of permavirgins. Bookstore trade sales and digital comics both seem to do well for these titles, and seem to represent a widening of the comic audience beyond the basement dwellers and people like me who are at best basement adjacent.
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rkajdi posted:Yeah, centrism and bug gently caress crazy alt-right (he's an Info Wars contributor) are exactly the same.
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lol Carl of Sad is getting sued for using Akilah Hughes video and not transforming it, and it looks like she's got a winning case loool https://youtu.be/Vd16eGCocRE
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rkajdi posted:Yeah, centrism and bug gently caress crazy alt-right (he's an Info Wars contributor) are exactly the same. Are you a centrist because you believe in a mish-mash of ideas across the spectrum and defend them with equal passion? If so, you're perfectly ok in my books. I can respect some people are centrist because of a non-traditional mixture of policies across the left/right spectrum. Are you a centrist because you believe in some milquetoast philosophy about the truth always being in the middle? If so, you're the kind of toxic moderate that MLK Jr lambasted. You're an enabler of toxic philosophies more interested 'in the negative peace which is an absence of tension than a positive peace which is the presence of justice'.
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rkajdi posted:Yeah it's always vote with your wallets when it's some sort of consumer revolt against those awful women or what not, but as soon as it involves anything with them it's censorship. Again, it's the idea that the only consumers who have money to spend on poo poo (young professionals) see your ideas as toxic, and this advertisers don't want to be associated with them. I don't know, the couple of "SJW" books that I read from Marvel(America and that one Iron Man series with the black girl Iron Man) were a pretty hot mess. America was almost near on unreadable. Al-Saqr posted:lol Carl of Sad is getting sued for using Akilah Hughes video and not transforming it, and it looks like she's got a winning case loool This is strangely poetic if she actually wins. A guy who made himself famous by mis-quoting and misunderstanding people and not reading books(but smugly assuming he does understand), getting his life destroyed because he didn't read and properly understand a law. What's even more hilarious is the counterclaim he filed to her, where he was all "We both know the law is on my side here".
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JVNO posted:Are you a centrist because you believe in a mish-mash of ideas across the spectrum and defend them with equal passion? If so, you're perfectly ok in my books. I can respect some people are centrist because of a non-traditional mixture of policies across the left/right spectrum. Technically a pragmatist could be considered a "rational" centrist. If you support some aspects of the free market for say consumer goods and also support some aspects of a social safety net to prevent insane accumulation of wealth and power, you could be considered and economic centrist. In fact, most Keynesians could be considered economic centrists, letting the free market function under powerful regulatory control and fiscal guidance. There is nothing wrong with this approach in principle, given that all economic models, whether propertarian or communitarian are lacking to some extent. But yes, anyone who believes that the truth is somewhere in the center as a matter of principle is doing nothing but committing a massive logical fallacy right out of the gate.
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