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https://twitter.com/WFLARyan/status/902676664655777794
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Party Plane Jones posted:You work at the pita pit?
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Aug 30, 2017 00:53
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Shbobdb posted:So why were we terrorbombing them? are you dumb we were terrorbombing them in the hopes that if we bombed enough civilians their morale would break and they would overthrow the nazi regime and surrender instead of needing to be invaded. bomber harris basically spent every waking moment he wasn't planning bombing raids explaining his theory that if you bombed them enough they would surrender without needing to be invaded. it wasn't some psychological ploy so that when we finally did invade they would have a greater understanding they were beaten. where the gently caress did you get that idea. the more realistic reason we were terrorbombing them was because bombers were so inaccurate the only real way to use them effectively was to bomb entire cities and hope the factory got hit, you couldn't effectively target just industry. so a virtue was made of the reality that bombing a factory meant bombing poo poo-tons of civilians, even if circumlocations like "we aren't trying to kill the workers, we're trying to de-house them by destroying their houses. at night. while we know they are in them. yes, we are trying to say this with a straight face."
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Aug 30, 2017 00:53
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Jim "Mad Dog" Mattis, war criminal, is the adult in the room. 
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Aug 30, 2017 00:54
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Covok posted:FTFY I don't understand this focus on Houston. All cities matter.
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Aug 30, 2017 00:54
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twice burned ice posted:Jim "Mad Dog" Mattis, war criminal, is the adult in the room. Looks like someone wants to get fired.
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Aug 30, 2017 00:55
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What's the over/under on Mad Dog's continued tenure in this administration? 7 days?
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Aug 30, 2017 00:56
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Is this for real! 
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Aug 30, 2017 00:57
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twice burned ice posted:Jim "Mad Dog" Mattis, war criminal, is the adult in the room. http://www.theonion.com/graphic/only-adult-left-trump-administration-named-mad-dog-56513
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Aug 30, 2017 00:57
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Party Plane Jones posted:Civilians are ultimately also a military resource, that and by 44 war production had spread out in a myriad of ways. ultimately, given how few men were left to stuff into uniform by the end, every middle-aged german man who was killed was probably one less german who would have been given a gun and no training and shoved at the red army so you could try and justify it that way. ultimately though, i think you've got to characterize terror bombing as a failure: sure, it tied up a lot of german resources but it tied up a lot of allied ones as well that could have been better directed.
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Aug 30, 2017 00:58
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I feel like Mad Dog won't get fired but if he does he'll just rain the hammer down on this orange rear end in a top hat of a president instead
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Aug 30, 2017 00:58
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evilweasel posted:this is a stupid thing that is based on your dumb idea that we are discussing if germans were surprised they lost wwi I feel like that's a bad argument. How much of Germany should they have occupied? If they had just taken the Ruhr, would Bavarians have been OK with the backstab myth? How much is necessary? I don't think you are giving the German people enough credit when it comes to losing WWI. I also think we are talking across each other here. I think you are giving too much weight to the narrative of why the backstab myth arose when in reality is was just a super appealing lie. A super appealing lie that has happened in plenty of other, non-German cultures as well. People lapped it up because it soothed their ego.
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Aug 30, 2017 00:58
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i mean the us had bombs and bombers, what were they gonna do NOT terrorbomb?
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Aug 30, 2017 00:58
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Charlz Guybon posted:Is this for real! All models are wrong, this far out. If a bunch of models start to agree, hm.
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Aug 30, 2017 00:58
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Calibanibal posted:i mean the us had bombs and bombers, what were they gonna do NOT terrorbomb? Additionally, the Russians were really kicking German rear end. The Capitalist powers weren't going to sit by and let the Russians say they won the war so they had to do something.
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Aug 30, 2017 00:59
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Translation: he's going to drown the ban in red tape committees and studies until the courts call it bullshit. Shbobdb posted:I feel like that's a bad argument. I feel I should be married to Charlotte McKinney. Guess what: I'm not. Feeling something doesn't make it true or even valid. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Aug 30, 2017 |
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Aug 30, 2017 00:59
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Has anything like this happened before?
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Aug 30, 2017 00:59
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Translation: he's going to drown the ban in red tape committees and studies until the courts call it bullshit. God bless him.
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Aug 30, 2017 01:00
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Charlz Guybon posted:Is this for real! Forecasts more than 5 days ahead are still pretty inaccurate. Wait for the weekend to freak out about next week.
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Aug 30, 2017 01:01
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Annointed posted:Looks like someone wants to get fired. Trump fires Mattis, Trump loses the military vote. They loving love the guy. Democrat, Republican, doesn't matter. Mattis is their man. Firing Mattis would be the thing that gets Trump below the 25% approval line. Also Trump won't do poo poo to Mattis because Trump is a giant manchild that likes big strong daddies to tell him what to do, and military heroes are the strongest daddies Trump can find.
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Aug 30, 2017 01:01
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Charlz Guybon posted:Is this for real! Maybe, its a real prediction, but no one knows what will happen. The Gulf is still super warm, so it might be able to spin up another huge storm
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Aug 30, 2017 01:01
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dear trump: name me sec of defense i will implement your horrible dumb policy. whats the salary for a secretary
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Aug 30, 2017 01:01
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Rookersh posted:Trump fires Mattis, Trump loses the military vote. lol
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Aug 30, 2017 01:03
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Rookersh posted:Trump fires Mattis, Trump loses the military vote. Even better. Or the alternative is that Trump is forced to keep him around and be forced to endure this humiliation for a long while.
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Aug 30, 2017 01:04
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There Bias Two posted:Has anything like this happened before? "Don't ask, don't tell, don't pursue" had to be expanded to "don't harass" because a lot of people in the military (including military higher ups) were using harassment to establish sufficient grounds for investigations as a workaround to the "don't pursue". It didn't go as high as the Secretary of Defense but it went pretty high.
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Aug 30, 2017 01:04
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Mattis loving akbar.
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Aug 30, 2017 01:04
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There Bias Two posted:Has anything like this happened before? Yes, but not this publicly or obviously.
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Aug 30, 2017 01:04
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Translation: he's going to drown the ban in red tape committees and studies until the courts call it bullshit. this, he knows its lovely dumb policies that no one outside trump and some evangelical/alt right types want done. he will sit on it or send it through various studies and commities until either the courts kill it or trump forgets.
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Aug 30, 2017 01:04
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I think Trump is genuinely scared/intimidated/awed by Mattis, in a way he's not with McMaster.
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Aug 30, 2017 01:04
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Trump Thread II: giant manchild that likes big strong daddies
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Aug 30, 2017 01:04
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There Bias Two posted:Has anything like this happened before? Pretty sure Trump's order stated the SecDef could have input on implementing the order for people already serving.
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Aug 30, 2017 01:05
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https://twitter.com/PfeifferDC/status/902648626224214016 Hmmmm
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Aug 30, 2017 01:05
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Terry Pratchett If you're talking bad on Terry we're gonna have to go out back and have a conversation. 
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Aug 30, 2017 01:05
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Seriously, the military bureaucracy's ability to follow but not follow orders by invoking studies and committees and all manner of procedural bullshit is legendary.
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Aug 30, 2017 01:06
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I feel I should be married to Charlotte McKinney. Guess what: I'm not. If you expanded on that point to include, "I used to date Charlotte McKinney and we were even briefly engaged" then I'd say that is a justified feeling. Fun fact: statements aren't taken in isolation but exist in a constellation of context. Read more than a tweet's length next time.
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Aug 30, 2017 01:06
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Shbobdb posted:I feel like that's a bad argument. i think they should have occupied significant portions of the country and that the fighting should have ended with a surrender rather than an armistice. i do not see any way in which asking me for a specific percentage is any sort of useful argument instead of a stupid attempt to bog me down in nonsense instead of arguing why it's a bad argument. i am not characterizing the backstab myth as the sole cause of WWII, but a significant contributor to it. i specifically do not believe that the harshness of the terms of the treaty of Versailles were responsible for WWI, and view that as a myth: the terms were fairly reasonable given the era, the devastation caused by the war, and that germany lost. there is a general understanding that the german nation did not ever really buy into the post-WWI world order and that its refusal to do so is a major factor in wwii. these days, that is commonly laid at the feet of the treaty and its war guilt/reparations clauses. i view that as a myth, and the major factor in germany's refusal to accept the post-wwi world order was the failure of the civilian population to be forced to realize the german nation had definitively lost wwi. didn't even need to be the official "stab in the back" myth where the jews/communists/traitors did it. plenty seem to have believed that they negotiated an honorable peace and that the french and uk then didn't honor that honorable peace and imposed versailles.
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Aug 30, 2017 01:07
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Shbobdb posted:Additionally, the Russians were really kicking German rear end. The Capitalist powers weren't going to sit by and let the Russians say they won the war so they had to do something. What sort of hosed up bizarro history book did you get this information from? Shimrra Jamaane posted:God bless him. People in this thread give him tons of poo poo but Mattis is intensely respected within the military for a reason. evilweasel posted:these days, that is commonly laid at the feet of the treaty and its war guilt/reparations clauses. i view that as a myth, and the major factor in germany's refusal to accept the post-wwi world order was the failure of the civilian population to be forced to realize the german nation had definitively lost wwi. didn't even need to be the official "stab in the back" myth where the jews/communists/traitors did it. plenty seem to have believed that they negotiated an honorable peace and that the french and uk then didn't honor that honorable peace and imposed versailles. It's important to note that the German economy also basically collapsed after this, so that + the Weimar Republic being basically useless + the sex liberalization / communist surge led to Nazis being able to garner a lot of popular support. Grapplejack fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Aug 30, 2017 |
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Aug 30, 2017 01:08
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Or Trump loses his poo poo and fires Mattis.
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Aug 30, 2017 01:08
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WeAreTheRomans posted:What's the over/under on Mad Dog's continued tenure in this administration? 7 days? God bless you, you used that term right  But yeah, 7 seems about right.
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The winner of this WWI slapfight is the one who can tie it back to Trump the best
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