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I have a hard time with the "every soldier is a war criminal" thing because there's a whole lot of people that signed up for a paycheck and the gi bill because it was their only shot at improving their lives and I can't condemn that
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I have a hard time with the "every soldier is a war criminal" thing because there's a whole lot of people that signed up for a paycheck and the gi bill because it was their only shot at improving their lives and I can't condemn that you are not entitled to improving your life, especially when it involves aiding the deaths of over a hundred thousand people.
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Aug 30, 2017 00:46
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you see the troops deserve socialized healthcare and higher education since their jobs are much more important to society than any civilian's
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On one hand, it's insanely immature and reductive to brand all soldiers "war criminals" and is exactly the kind of rhetoric that causes the gen pop to not take leftists seriously On the other hand, 
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:On one hand, it's insanely immature and reductive to brand all soldiers "war criminals" and is exactly the kind of rhetoric that causes the gen pop to not take leftists seriously i had a relative who dated an israeli, she was a conscious objector and assigned to a non-apartheid murdering unit. gail could have done similar, but chose not to
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:you see the troops deserve socialized healthcare and higher education since their jobs are much more important to society than any civilian's Not at all what I'm arguing, just that I can't blame people who signed up to do four years and get the gently caress out so they could escape some lovely circumstances Literally everyone deserves those things, it's bullshit that it's only Are Troops that get them, but gently caress it everything is hosed and we're all gonna die take advantage of the system where you can
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:you see the troops deserve socialized healthcare and higher education since their jobs are much more important to society than any civilian's if everyone got these things you may very well see a lot less people joining the military just to escape grinding poverty. who can say, though
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Aug 30, 2017 01:44
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maskenfreiheit posted:you are not entitled to improving your life, especially when it involves aiding the deaths of over a hundred thousand people. i have bad news about literally anything you do to improve your life or even avoid sleeping under a bridge in our society if you want a hint it involves your outrage not making you any less complicit
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*bites into a chocolate bar* it's the blood of child slaves that really makes it delicious now let me tell you about how i can somehow be morally superior to other ordinary people who also have no power. i have no choice but to do so using a device made in a sweatshop under conditions made possible by american military hegemony though but my role in all this is innocent, even laudable, because,
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the bitcoin of weed posted:if everyone got these things you may very well see a lot less people joining the military just to escape grinding poverty. who can say, though And our society doesn't even do a very good job at getting veterans those services! They have to be squeezed out of the system through gritted teeth. The dumbest thing is both libs and conservatives recognize (and campaign) on this, but haven't made any move to change things since Vietnam. It's pretty damning when the violent reactionary power doesn't even attempt to help the people it depends on and valorizes
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Hodgepodge posted:*bites into a chocolate bar* 
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maskenfreiheit posted:i had a relative who dated an israeli, she was a conscious objector and assigned to a non-apartheid murdering unit. that's interesting! if you read the Wikipedia page about refusal to serve (see my previous post, I'm on my phone), there's a ruling by the Israeli Supreme Court that refusing to do *any* service on the basis of pacifism was considered conscientious objection and could be evaluated that way (with the 10% approval rate). on the other hand, being unwilling to serve in the Territories was considered "selective refusal" and did not have legitimate status (you could go to jail). I wonder what happened with your relative's girlfriend. I'll have to read more. e: here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refusal_to_serve_in_the_IDF quote:The Israeli High Court of Justice ruled in 2002 that refusal to serve was legal on the grounds of unqualified pacifism, but "selective refusal" which accepted some duties and not others was illegal. The court said that allowing selective refusal would "weaken the ties that bind us as a nation". The court also said that the refusal to serve in the territories is selective refusal and not conscientious objection. Subjunctive has issued a correction as of 02:25 on Aug 30, 2017 |
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i see you understood my point, which is why you seized on an irrelevant aspect of it to reply to with a meme someday you will be so woke, you will even pass a Turing test
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wow, it's almost as if there's no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism
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Mayor Dave posted:wow, it's almost as if there's no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism point not made in meme form, therefore useless  now we're cookin with fire
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Mayor Dave posted:wow, it's almost as if there's no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism Welp guess my only option is to vote democrat and Never Ever attempt to change anything.
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Mayor Dave posted:wow, it's almost as if there's no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism yup might as well join the infantry then, i'll get more free poo poo then
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Welp guess my only option is to vote democrat and Never Ever attempt to change anything. you could vote for a communist or socialist party instead
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maskenfreiheit posted:yup might as well join the infantry then, i'll get more free poo poo than if i become a doctor or something Signing bonus for board-certified surgeons is over a million dollars so go for it bro
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:you could vote for a communist or socialist party instead tear down the government imo
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:you could vote for a communist or socialist party instead 
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the funny part here is that you're actually the gotcha guy, saying that people aren't entitled to use the only tools available to them improve their lives if it involves unanticipated or unavoidable complicity in systematic atrocities, and doing so is an automatic endorsement of those atrocities
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This doesn't make much sense unless you think "iPhone" is synonymous with "smartphone". I don't disagree smartphone manufacturers should pay workers more. I just think that the accusation of hypocrisy is valid if specific brands are going to be brought into it. Mayor Dave posted:wow, it's almost as if there's no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism Yes, there is. There's nothing ethically wrong with using money to purchase food and basic shelter. Live frugally and don't have a house with a car elevator. Certain types of liberals use this saying so they can feel better about being extravagant.
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galenanorth posted:There's nothing ethically wrong with using money to purchase food and basic shelter. buddy if you think your food shelter and clothing are exploitation free,
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galenanorth posted:This doesn't make much sense unless you think "iPhone" is synonymous with "smartphone". i'm guessing you don't know much about the politics of food production if you have a lot of money you can spend it to fuel the industry around assuring people that this precise opinion is correct, which is a popular form of conspicuous consumption among the elite capitalism is so far ahead of you that just one aspect of this, ethical food, is already an entrenched means by which the wealthy purchase a feeling of moral superiority
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to live a life in america requires you to at some point be complicit in capitalism and by extension exploitation of some poor fuckers, unless you're gonna be that dude who lived in the woods for 20 years and didnt talk to anyone for that entire time that guy gets to say his life is free of exploitation, nobody else everyone else has to pick their battles and as long as you don't take joy in it or deliberately exploit people without giving a gently caress and do what you reasonably can to minimize it that's all you can hope for, doing this "actually you can live totally free of exploitation by never indulging in a single luxury of any type and basically being a fuckin hermit" poo poo is dumb and assholish
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:buddy if you think your food shelter and clothing are exploitation free, They aren't. I just don't think there's anything wrong with doing whatever it takes to survive, and that the amount of money spent on that in the first world pales in comparison to the excess.
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galenanorth posted:They aren't. I just don't think there's anything wrong with doing whatever it takes to survive, and that the amount of money spent on that in the first world pales in comparison to the excess. oh so you're just an idiot
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galenanorth posted:There's nothing ethically wrong with using money to purchase food and basic shelter. Live frugally and don't have a house with a car elevator. Certain types of liberals use this saying so they can feel better about being extravagant. what's your definition of frugally, doofus are you allowed to have a computer or a smartphone or literally anything at all that isnt absolutely necessary to not die
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galenanorth posted:They aren't. I just don't think there's anything wrong with doing whatever it takes to survive, and that the amount of money spent on that in the first world pales in comparison to the excess. This is dumb as gently caress.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:what's your definition of frugally, doofus "Trying to be frugal is ethical" really touched a nerve there. It varies a lot depending on the locality, the time in which one lives, and an abundance of other factors that make the cutoff specific to the person. For example, being able to take a deposit a check by taking picture of it with a smartphone app saves a trip to the bank, which saves money, which is one of many factors which add up to justifying the purchase solely on productivity grounds. It's like saying "losing weight is healthy" and there is no ideal weight for everyone. Edit: also, since the only replies I'm getting here are mostly insults rather than discussion, I'm out galenanorth has issued a correction as of 03:05 on Aug 30, 2017 |
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galenanorth posted:"Trying to be frugal is ethical" really touched a nerve there. It varies a lot depending on the locality, the time in which one lives, and an abundance of other factors that make the cutoff specific to the person. For example, being able to take a deposit a check by taking picture of it with a smartphone app saves a trip to the bank, which saves money, which is one of many factors which add up to justifying the purchase solely on productivity grounds. It's like saying "losing weight is healthy" and there is no ideal weight for everyone. you're getting both right now but if you wanna be a piss baby and stomp away crying because i didnt immediately nod and go yes yes quite good sir then fill your diapers piss baby fuckwad
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"i live ethically because i live frugal and only buy food and shelter" (eats strawberries picked by literal slaves)
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Your individual vote will never be the deciding factor of an election, so there is absolutely no downside to voting for a socialist party even knowing they probably won't win. Voting for Democrats isn't a positive act.
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The biggest own here is WW outperforming the constitution party
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Your individual vote will never be the deciding factor of an election, so there is absolutely no downside to voting for a socialist party even knowing they probably won't win. Voting for Democrats isn't a positive act. I acknowledge the point, but then again if even half the people that voted for this party: quote:The Natural Law Party (NLP) is a transnational party founded in 1992 on "the principles of Transcendental Meditation",[1] the laws of nature, and their application to all levels of government.[2] At its peak, it was active in up to 74 countries; it continues in India and some parts of the United States. The party defines "natural law" as the organizing intelligence which governs the natural universe.[1] The Natural Law Party advocates using the Transcendental Meditation technique and the TM-Sidhi program as tools to enliven natural law and reduce or eliminate problems in society.[1] had thought, "Huh, maybe my vote in a swing state DOES matter" then untold hundreds of thousands of people might not have died under George W. "Let's Destabalize the Middle-East" Bush
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:I acknowledge the point, but then again if even half the people that voted for this party: How do you feel about 11/2016
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:How do you feel about 11/2016 Bernie would've won
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:I acknowledge the point, but then again if even half the people that voted for this party: This all presupposes that any of those people would have voted for a Democrat, or that in such a case their votes wouldn't have been suppressed by the state of Florida.
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