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There are definitely some characters who are stronger or weaker than others. Zaamassal (post-nerf) and Marmalee are both weak enough that playing as them is almost always done as a deliberate handicap. Meanwhile, there are characters like Tanis who can, in the right hands, break characters over their knees and very conceivably get perfects while doing so.
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Eustace handles better against characters that like to brawl, since he has some of the highest melee stats out of the box. The problem is that he's fragile, so rangers, dancers, and specialists can just have a field day with him. Guess what most of the better characters are? On a related note: Tanis isn't even in the top 5 non-banned characters. She's good, but Hepzibah, Lesandra, and Clive take the top spot, with Burman and Thessala close behind.
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Aug 30, 2017 01:47
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Well, the new tournament rules for Force Gauge and Dodge have really been shaking up the tiers, too.
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Aug 30, 2017 01:54
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I knew their were tiers, I was just wondering if I was missing something with Eustace. He's cool and his mechanics seem interesting but I've never seen him work. Dodge is just Dash at priority 3 right? How are people liking it? It seems like a pretty huge change.
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Aug 30, 2017 02:29
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I like it because there is no longer the issue of a bunch of match ups just turning into a game of dash-baiting chicken.
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Aug 30, 2017 02:52
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jodai posted:That domain is for sale. Even on BGG, I could not find the files, I'm pretty bummed. Here ya go, I got a link to some PnP demo stuff from their support guy. https://www.dropbox.com/s/lnqcsry45yl5h7q/Hikaru%3AKhadath%3AEligor%3AShekhtur%20PnP.pdf?dl=0
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You are the best! Thanks!
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Aug 30, 2017 07:17
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Blisster posted:I knew their were tiers, I was just wondering if I was missing something with Eustace. He's cool and his mechanics seem interesting but I've never seen him work. It's also SoB instead of AA, which means you can't negate it by going first. It's a big blow for speedster characters like Demitras, or those with "Become Active Player" tricks like Marmelee.
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It means you can clash it out as well if you get a good read. It really opens up the options for strategy. ...I want my copy of Trials to arrive so I have an excuse to round people up and make them play Battlecon again.
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Aug 30, 2017 11:23
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It aggravates me how hard it is to get friends to play Battlecon. It's easier to get them to play LCGs with me and they're not even particularly good at those or enjoy the process that much (and hate deckbuilding). Why! This makes no sense! <looks mournfully at the complete set of Indines boxes>
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Aug 30, 2017 11:43
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Because BattleCON suffers from some of the same issues actual FGs suffer from, namely that doing well relies on having very good knowledge of complicated systems, and that makes it hard to break into. 
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PMush Perfect posted:There are definitely some characters who are stronger or weaker than others. Zaamassal (post-nerf) and Marmalee are both weak enough that playing as them is almost always done as a deliberate handicap. Meanwhile, there are characters like Tanis who can, in the right hands, break characters over their knees and very conceivably get perfects while doing so. Zaamassal post-nerf is probably still one of the best characters in the game, at the very least top 20. His control tools are amazing and Paradigm of Haste will be forever crazy. Tanis is weird, since she's solid but Playful skews some matchups really badly. We'll be taking a look at her for Devastation Remastered.
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Lemon-Lime posted:Because BattleCON suffers from some of the same issues actual FGs suffer from, namely that doing well relies on having very good knowledge of complicated systems, and that makes it hard to break into. Last time I introduced two newbies to the game I had them play each other, then I had a go and deliberately picked a character I was bad with. The next time my turn came up I picked one of my favourites (Kallistar) and still got my clock cleaned.
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potatocubed posted:Last time I introduced two newbies to the game I had them play each other, then I had a go and deliberately picked a character I was bad with. The next time my turn came up I picked one of my favourites (Kallistar) and still got my clock cleaned. This is also a problem in FGs - so much of playing the game well depends on being able to predict what the opponent is likely to do next and countering it, which isn't something you can do when the other side is so inexperienced that they have no idea what not to do and when not to do it.
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I think that the biggest thing Battlecon has working against it is that it is a 2 player game in an intrinsically social activity. A niche for 2 player games does exist, but it is harder to bring to a random meet up than something that sits 4 players.
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Aug 30, 2017 15:42
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Shadow225 posted:I think that the biggest thing Battlecon has working against it is that it is a 2 player game in an intrinsically social activity. A niche for 2 player games does exist, but it is harder to bring to a random meet up than something that sits 4 players. Yeah; I get loads of play out of my 4-6 player stuff with my normal gaming group or at my FLGS' board game meetups, but not a whole lot of opportunity for 2 player gaming, other than playing the odd casual game here and there with my wife.
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Aug 30, 2017 15:50
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Lemon-Lime posted:This is also a problem in FGs - so much of playing the game well depends on being able to predict what the opponent is likely to do next and countering it, which isn't something you can do when the other side is so inexperienced that they have no idea what not to do and when not to do it. This is even more true for the card games I play but they seem to not struggle here. Battlecon is much better for giving you only a limited number of possibilities and telling you what all of them are.
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Shadow225 posted:I think that the biggest thing Battlecon has working against it is that it is a 2 player game in an intrinsically social activity. A niche for 2 player games does exist, but it is harder to bring to a random meet up than something that sits 4 players. It's true. On the other hand once Trials shows up I'll have enough Battlecon sets to run eight people simultaneously. Maybe I'll host a mini-tournament or something.
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My only issue with BattleCON is the only other person who plays it with me spends ten minutes figuring out what combo will block me each turn. It's aggravating and killed the game for me honestly. I regret getting Fate and Trials since I haven't even finished putting Devastation together.
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:My only issue with BattleCON is the only other person who plays it with me spends ten minutes figuring out what combo will block me each turn. It's aggravating and killed the game for me honestly. I regret getting Fate and Trials since I haven't even finished putting Devastation together.
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Aug 30, 2017 16:09
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:My only issue with BattleCON is the only other person who plays it with me spends ten minutes figuring out what combo will block me each turn. It's aggravating and killed the game for me honestly. I regret getting Fate and Trials since I haven't even finished putting Devastation together. Play with a clock.
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Aug 30, 2017 16:19
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How do you know which cards the clock chooses, though? 
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Tekopo posted:How do you know which cards the clock chooses, though? Well it has to be an analogue clock OBVIOUSLY
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potatocubed posted:Last time I introduced two newbies to the game I had them play each other, then I had a go and deliberately picked a character I was bad with. The next time my turn came up I picked one of my favourites (Kallistar) and still got my clock cleaned. I grab a character I'm bad with when teaching new people as well, but I also will verbalize the start of my thought process to jump start their comprehension of the strategy. e.g. "Most of your cards that provide stun guard are in you discard. That combined with your characters low priority will give me a high chance of going first and stunning you."
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I have yet to win a game when I'm teaching my friends. They are all better than me. It's hilarious and I don't mind losing.
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Tekopo posted:How do you know which cards the clock chooses, though?  Nah, Yomi style clocks don't work so well for analogue play, even in analogue Yomi.The ideal would be some sort of heavily modified chess clock setup, where two timers run concurrently. You start the timer after recycling and taking force, and stop the timer to lock in your pair as your final answer. Run out of time, auto-lose the match. But that's an awfully complicated setup for a low-profile card game for dorks. ... Unrelated, incredibly stupid idea but: When BCO finally comes out, I'd absolutely want to run some sort of BattleCON + Yomi chessboxing tournament. Every matchup has to play both games against each other. No idea how the format or scoring would work yet, but...
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What? That's way too complicated. Just put a 2 minute timer on selecting your cards and a 30second timer on anything else if you feel the need to.
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Hey, just coming in to say that Wardlaw is cool and good and I want to play more matches as him. Ok, well thanks.
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If any of y'all are in the Portland area, you could drag my rear end out to Guardian Games and I will play BattleCon with you.
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Wardlaw is in fact cool and good.
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Wardlaw is hilarious and ridiculous. I like him a lot; he just doesn't fit my playstyle or aesthetic.
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jodai posted:Sorry if this is addressed somewhere in the thread but has level99 nixed the PnP stuff? I can't find it anywhere. I found out a friend of mine has Fate so we can try it out but I'm still curious as to what happened to those files. Belatedly, some of them will be returning whenever they rebuild the site, but if there's anything you need in the meantime, e-mail team directly them at level99games@gmail.com. A bit belated, but got the word back from Brad after asking about it.
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Or you can grab them from this post.S.J. posted:Here ya go, I got a link to some PnP demo stuff from their support guy.
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I got Trials today and I am so drat psyched
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Or you can grab them from this post. There was a lot of stuff like PDF art books, full PnP versions of their games, promo characters, etc. The demo kit is just scratching the surface of what they used to have available. Alien Rope Burn fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Sep 2, 2017 |
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BURGUNDY. MOTHER. loving. XII.
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S.J. posted:I got Trials today and I am so drat psyched I can't wait for my family to tell me I've bought too many board games when it arrives. 
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Alien Rope Burn posted:There was a lot of stuff like PDF art books, full PnP versions of their games, promo characters, etc. The demo kit is just scratching the surface of what they used to have available. I had no idea, thanks for the heads up. Any news on when they're aiming to have their site back up?
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BattleCON Online seems to be coming along.
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Yup! Cameron does good work.
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