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Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



First the game was delayed, then it was delayed to add DRM, then my CE was delayed. The Sonic cycle was coming from outside the game.

But drat, what a fine Sonic this is.

VagueRant posted:

DRM bullshit aside, what's the situation with controllers? Because I plugged in a PS4 dualshock so I could use a d-pad and there's no option.
It didn't work for me then switched to big picture mode then did after steam updated. So I did half the game with the xb1 controller and the latter half with the ds4.

The DS4 is a lot better, argh.

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Barudak
May 7, 2007

Finally got to play it. Its super fun, and as everyone stated, a bummer its not all new levels.

gently caress blue spheres, and thank you Whitehead for making puyo puyo so easy even I can beat it.

Harminoff
Oct 24, 2005

👽

Gammatron 64 posted:

Well it's not much but I've managed to extract .ogg files from data.rsdk. There's some tools for extracting data from Taxman's ports of CD\1\2 and Retro Sonic but they don't seem to work so good.

http://unhaut.x10host.com/retrun/
http://unhaut.x10host.com/taxed/

edit: holy poo poo this game has been out less than a day and someone has already done this lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5kYsHcZ9no

Yep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKhdQqmM9d0

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum
The kick in the teeth is that they didn't tell people. You going to fly denuvo, have the balls to say it at the store page before people play the game and swallow your always online pill, SEGA.

Well that and its still a drat good game to pull this poo poo on. You're scared of piracy on a $20 official fan game? What a pointless little cycle of drama for something you're going to take out probably in 2 weeks.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Also, because of the delay, if you accepted the Sonic 1 compensation gift you can't request refund due to the time limit on the product expiring, you have to appeal. Preordered items refunding are only valid for two weeks after release.

It's the perfect last punch.

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Aug 30, 2017

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

gently caress you Sega!

MisterBibs
Jul 17, 2010

dolla dolla
bill y'all
Fun Shoe
My controller-based story is that the only button on my wireless xbox-controller-for-pc the game accepts is the right bumper button, but will then not accept that or any button presses on the "this game uses an autosave feature" OK button. I mean, it'll accept it as if I'm pressing it, but it won't move to the next screen.

Tried using Steam's Controller Settings, but it's a complete mess and it's not helpful to figure out what button(s) the game expects me to be pressing.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

MikeJF posted:

Actually, for a game like Sonic Mania where it's doing software rendering and streaming 60FPS to the graphics card instead of having the card render, it may be more relevant. Denuvo impacts the CPU-bound processes but not the GPU-bound ones, and unlike most games Mania is all CPU for the graphics drawing as well as computation. Even if it's relatively lightweight, I wouldn't be surprised if Denuvo gets fucky with trying to maintain the 60FPS draw update.

(well, they may have offloaded the upscale process/filters to the GPU, I'm not that sure about that bit but it'd make sense to)

Sonic mania uses software rendering?!

Whoa. Where did you read that? I guess you can get away with it, but still... most modern 2D games use the GPU quite a lot.

SuccinctAndPunchy
Mar 29, 2013

People are supposed to get hurt by things. It's fucked up to not. It's not good for you.
I finished Sonic Mania and it was alright, it's definitely a classic sonic game, for better or worse although I agree with the assessment that it's the best 2D sonic so far, at least? The PC port's pretty poo poo though, controller support is wonky and the basic option of scaling the window doesn't actually seem to work in game, you have to edit the config files?

pain in the rear end to get working but it killed a good 3 hours when it did at least, I've had worse evenings

Mikedawson
Jun 21, 2013

I just want to say act transition and the boss for Stardust Speedway kick rear end.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


I'm jealous of all you guys on Steam who got Denuvo, he seems like a pretty cool character.

Skeletome
Feb 4, 2011

Tell them about the tournament!

the only DRM I want in my sonic game is a good ol case of Dr Robotnik's Meddling

Golden Goat
Aug 2, 2012

So how are PC players enjoying good game Sonic Mania...

Oh.
Oh Dear.

Mikedawson
Jun 21, 2013

Golden Goat posted:

So how are PC players enjoying good game Sonic Mania...

Oh.
Oh Dear.

I'm actually enjoying it quite a bit.

Although I got really stressed out when my controller wouldn't work at first.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Incidentally, this was posted on the Sega DRM post on steam and then soon after deleted. It was him, it seems.

Frankston
Jul 27, 2010


MikeJF posted:

Incidentally, this was posted on the Sega DRM post on steam and then soon after deleted. It was him, it seems.



Rip Sonic Mania 2

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.
This game feels at odds with itself. It had big sprawling levels that I love to explore and find the nooks and crannies in, then also a 10 minute time limit. Did anyone else abuse Tails ability to fly Sonic like I did? I still gotta get the emeralds, only managed to nab 4 before the end, Emerald 4 was a loving monster to grab

Golden Goat
Aug 2, 2012

I kept having issues with the emerald stages until I just started focusing on keeping up with the UFO.
In some cases you can nab it without mach 3 speed.

Teratrain
Aug 23, 2007
Waiting for Godot
Ya, DRM poo poo aside the game is great. I streamed up to Oil Ocean zone last night and then went back to replay a few zones, they're so moreish.

Special zones are a bastard though. Crazy satisfying when you get it right but hella difficult to nail the right balance (while not eating a bottomless pit or massive spike bomb).

E: ohh, I might try playing keep up later. That sounds like a good idea!

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

Enallyniv posted:

Ya, DRM poo poo aside the game is great. I streamed up to Oil Ocean zone last night and then went back to replay a few zones, they're so moreish.

Special zones are a bastard though. Crazy satisfying when you get it right but hella difficult to nail the right balance (while not eating a bottomless pit or massive spike bomb).

I will say, I never got hit in a Special Stage and thought "gently caress the game that was bullshit" I always thought "drat it I stopped paying attention"

Teratrain
Aug 23, 2007
Waiting for Godot
:yeah:

They're harsh but fair. I've never (yet) lost a stage feeling like I'm fighting against the controls.

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.
That said, that Wavy spike corridor in Titanic Monarch. Holy poo poo. I lost 8 lives in a row and game over'd there once. It was just... the gently caress!

Golden Goat
Aug 2, 2012

Literally the only thing killing me in Titanic Monarch was the lifts. I kept getting crushed between them.

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

MikeJF posted:

Incidentally, this was posted on the Sega DRM post on steam and then soon after deleted. It was him, it seems.



I really hope Stealth and Taxman don't get in trouble with Sega because they've both kind of said too much about this

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Gammatron 64 posted:

I really hope Stealth and Taxman don't get in trouble with Sega because they've both kind of said too much about this

Taxman's kept it in, the most he's said is that the decisions lie with the publisher, which they always do. Stealth... well, yeah, hope he didn't push too hard.

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 12:17 on Aug 30, 2017

WDIIA
Jan 14, 2006

K-I-N-G, The AU City Don
I know you heard about me
And this mission I'm on
But not a R-A-T,
I'm just tryin to live on
Not in a penitentiary
I'd rather be rollin chrome
Oil Ocean is better than it was in Sonic 2

It's still really loving bad

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


Oil Ocean was good in Sonic 2 and better here

Emong
May 31, 2011

perpair to be annihilated


Oil Ocean is legitimately my favorite Zone in Sonic 2. Although Wing Fortress is up there.

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

MikeJF posted:

Taxman's kept it in, the most he's said is that the decisions lie with the publisher, which they always do. Stealth... well, yeah, hope he didn't push too hard.

Yeah, Taxman knows when to keep his mouth shut. I like Stealth but... well... the guy has loose lips sometimes. I can relate. He might have said too much about the Sonic 3 remake thing, too.

It sucks but Mania 2 might be made without Headcannon. Stealth is a wicked smart programmer but at least they have the foundations made.

Emong posted:

Oil Ocean is legitimately my favorite Zone in Sonic 2. Although Wing Fortress is up there.

My favorite is Mystic Cave but Oil Ocean is up there too

nerdbot
Mar 16, 2012

Aaron Webber seemed pretty talkative about it on Twitter too but maybe as the literal voice of the people as far as Sega's concerned, he has the leeway to

It sucks and I can see all of them getting slammed a little for this but also Sega royally hosed them with the PC release. They knew this would happen and they knew who would have to bear the brunt of the anger. It feels vaguely Valve-esque of them.

Emong posted:

Oil Ocean is legitimately my favorite Zone in Sonic 2. Although Wing Fortress is up there.

Oil Ocean is my second-least favorite, Casino Night is my favorite. I still love what they did with Oil Ocean in Mania though

Bad Seafood
Dec 10, 2010


If you must blink, do it now.
Been waiting patiently for two weeks to play this, only for this DRM tripe to knock the wind outta my sails.

ColdPie
Jun 9, 2006

MikeJF posted:

Taxman's kept it in, the most he's said is that the decisions lie with the publisher, which they always do. Stealth... well, yeah, hope he didn't push too hard.

Eh, this delay and DRM stuff is making the rounds in the media, overshadowing the release of the game I'm sure they are extremely proud of and feel very connected to. I can understand burning some bridges with the people responsible for loving it up, even against your better judgment.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Maybe they just wanted the ring boxes?

Golden Goat
Aug 2, 2012

Oil Ocean's boss loving sucksssss

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Mad Jaqk posted:

Do you need all emeralds to get the Knuckles & Knuckles secret ending?

No, all you need is Debug mode and Level Select.

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

This avatar brought to you by the 'save our dead gay forums' foundation.

Golden Goat posted:

Oil Ocean's boss loving sucksssss

If you'd just played Sonic the Hedgehog 2 thousands of times in 1993 then you'd be able to beat the oil ocean boss solely by muscle memory on your first attempt, just like I did.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
Stardust speedways boss was loving cool as gently caress

also i was NOT expecting the cameos in Mirage, I was like, Wwhaaaaat.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

Twerk from Home posted:

If you'd just played Sonic the Hedgehog 2 thousands of times in 1993 then you'd be able to beat the oil ocean boss solely by muscle memory on your first attempt, just like I did.

Muscle memory doesn't help when you beat the boss but then it locks Sonic in place and the boss does one last Level Destruction gently caress You. And then you die because your character falls under the oil ocean and you can't do anything about it.

e: And I'll be the dissenting voice by saying that I hated the Metal Sonic fight. The gimmick was neat until it became frustrating as gently caress, like the fight went on for a good four minutes until my will was drained and I just died because I was getting bored. The next round I realized you can just do the drop spin dash for a guaranteed hit, but then there was no challenge and it was even more boring.

King Vidiot fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Aug 30, 2017

Golden Goat
Aug 2, 2012

Twerk from Home posted:

If you'd just played Sonic the Hedgehog 2 thousands of times in 1993 then you'd be able to beat the oil ocean boss solely by muscle memory on your first attempt, just like I did.

Neat. It's a bad boss.

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DizzyBum
Apr 16, 2007


I don't like this DRM poo poo, but I'm letting it slide since I really like this game and want to support the devs.

Still a lovely situation, though. The devs really got thrown under a bus.

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