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this is a p good write-up on why the media got Berkeley so wrong, written by someone who was there http://www.motherjones.com/media/2017/08/what-the-media-got-wrong-about-last-weekends-protests-in-berkeley/ quote:Most of the right-wing demonstrators were handled without violence. The morning before the rally, attendee Johnny Benitez posted a picture of himself flashing the “okay” hand signal (an alt-right meme) while holding tiki torches like those used by the neo-Nazis in Charlottesville. When he arrived in Berkeley, he spoke to news cameras for over an hour, until counterprotesters surrounded him, chanting “black lives matter” and “Nazi scum off our streets,” at which point he left the park without incident. I witnessed a number of others who were dealt with in a similar manner. the media is idiot garbage
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I'm willing to give Pelosi a lot of leeway in being poo poo because she's really good at keeping the house dysfunctional while in the minority. She kinda blows as a speaker though but if we retake the house I'm not sure she'll win that vote easily, especially if berniecrats form our own little freedom caucus.
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zegermans posted:I'm willing to give Pelosi a lot of leeway in being poo poo because she's really good at keeping the house dysfunctional while in the minority. if only there was a job where she could keep her party in line. perhaps with some kind of whipping weapon? no? oh well, better keep this piece of poo poo in charge of the party
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comedyblissoption posted:lol @ the implication that the democrats are also not aggressors in class warfare Well the Progressive Caucus folks like Gallego are the only ones without blood on their hands, but yeah I feel ya
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:stumbled on what i thought was an interesting though small thread between former sanders and hill comms people. fallon seems out of touch how an out of touch clintonite?! crazy!!
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Squizzle posted:holy poo poo thanks fau
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:stumbled on what i thought was an interesting though small thread between former sanders and hill comms people. fallon seems out of touch Fallon's questions read like an interrogation to me, or a cross-examination trying to extract a confession to treason against the Democratic Party
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Main Paineframe posted:do we know yet who's going to be defeating McCaskill and taking her seat next year? the more I read the more I'm convinced there's no way she'll possibly win a republican
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You know, considering how things are progressing into a truly dire situation I wonder if leftists worried about authoritarian leftism are a bit like if early protestants were concerned about a repeat of Jan Ziska and the Hussites in their struggle against the Roman church.
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Terror Sweat posted:if only there was a job where she could keep her party in line. perhaps with some kind of whipping weapon? no? oh well, better keep this piece of poo poo in charge of the party she... does...though?
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zegermans posted:she... does...though? she should be the minority whip, shes a poo poo speaker and should have left ages ago.
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:You know, considering how things are progressing into a truly dire situation I wonder if leftists worried about authoritarian leftism are a bit like if early protestants were concerned about a repeat of Jan Ziska and the Hussites in their struggle against the Roman church. I don't know what this means Dennis Miller
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Terror Sweat posted:she should be the minority whip, shes a poo poo speaker and should have left ages ago.  Technically she isn't the speaker of the house because the republicans control the house of representatives. Therefore you are 100% wrong and any criticism you have of her is misplaced.
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wrong bitch, i was saying she sucks at speaking and should not be in a position where she has to publicly do on tv (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Grondoth posted:I don't know what this means Dennis Miller The Hussites were (in retrospect) a proto-Protestant movement who fought an ultimately doomed war in central europe to establish a christan church independent of Rome. they gave the Catholic authorities a run for their money, but were brutally suppressed and the regions that supported them were devastated
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zeal posted:The Hussites were (in retrospect) a proto-Protestant movement who fought an ultimately doomed war in central europe to establish a christan church independent of Rome. they gave the Catholic authorities a run for their money, but were brutally suppressed and the regions that supported them were devastated Arguably destroyed from the inside by factionalism and moderates. My point is the conditions that forced the Hussites to behave the way they did persisted, causing the protestants to have to travel the same path, with even more bloodshed, but they did establish a new church and destroyed the power foundations of the Roman church in many regions.
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Terror Sweat posted:if only there was a job where she could keep her party in line. perhaps with some kind of whipping weapon? no? oh well, better keep this piece of poo poo in charge of the party a whip is only as effective as their speaker. pelosi suffers no major defections from dems, while the gop routinely can't pass legislation due to their own party. she's done an excellent job. is she our best spokesperson? definitely not, but replacing her isn't something that ought to be done lightly. we've got plenty of people to talk to the media, we don't have a lot of effective legislative leaders.
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Basically having to militarily resist capitalism (an inevitability) will make some degree of authoritarian leftism a necessity.
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:Basically having to militarily resist capitalism (an inevitability) will make some degree of authoritarian leftism a necessity. nah, we just have to chant cool slogans until all the wealthy overlords voluntarily give up their wealth and power
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Main Paineframe posted:nah, we just have to chant cool slogans until all the wealthy overlords voluntarily give up their wealth and power I hear an interview on public radio this morning from some rich guy who helped bankroll Bezos back in the day, arguing that it's in the best interest of the wealth to pay considerably higher and more taxes and agree to significant wage increases, both as it improves the markets that enrich them, and also keeps the mob from loving murdering them some day. He also agreed that anyone arguing that wage increases hurt employment is talking out their rear end and that a large, permanently discontented and disenfranchised proletariat inevitably will lead to either a revolution or despotism, so at least a minority of these jokers can see the way the wind is blowing. Not that I imagine many of his peers would agree, or if agreeing, act, but it's something.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Cyberpunk was too optimistic in that there was still room for individual agency on the margins of the corporatocracy. There has to be some hope that we can all download our brains into computers one day and have cybernetic implants that help us gently caress hot robot chicks. 
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Rand alPaul posted:There has to be some hope that we can all download our brains into computers one day and have cybernetic implants that help us gently caress hot robot chicks. the rich will get to do this and we will be left to breathe toxic fumes and die horribly
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I hear an interview on public radio this morning from some rich guy who helped bankroll Bezos back in the day, arguing that it's in the best interest of the wealth to pay considerably higher and more taxes and agree to significant wage increases, both as it improves the markets that enrich them, and also keeps the mob from loving murdering them some day. He also agreed that anyone arguing that wage increases hurt employment is talking out their rear end and that a large, permanently discontented and disenfranchised proletariat inevitably will lead to either a revolution or despotism, so at least a minority of these jokers can see the way the wind is blowing. Not that I imagine many of his peers would agree, or if agreeing, act, but it's something. There's always some wealthy folks who prefer a more or less benevolent resolution to the conflict but they only rarely do anything meaningful. Their existence does not mean much.
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Concerned Citizen posted:a whip is only as effective as their speaker. pelosi suffers no major defections from dems, while the gop routinely can't pass legislation due to their own party. she's done an excellent job. is she our best spokesperson? definitely not, but replacing her isn't something that ought to be done lightly. we've got plenty of people to talk to the media, we don't have a lot of effective legislative leaders. I remember when there was semi-serious talk about replacing her a month or two ago and then everyone realized that the next person in line for the Minority Leader position was Steny Hoyer or someone equally made of plastic and they all just kind of awkwardly shuffled out of the room.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I hear an interview on public radio this morning from some rich guy who helped bankroll Bezos back in the day, arguing that it's in the best interest of the wealth to pay considerably higher and more taxes and agree to significant wage increases, both as it improves the markets that enrich them, and also keeps the mob from loving murdering them some day. He also agreed that anyone arguing that wage increases hurt employment is talking out their rear end and that a large, permanently discontented and disenfranchised proletariat inevitably will lead to either a revolution or despotism, so at least a minority of these jokers can see the way the wind is blowing. Not that I imagine many of his peers would agree, or if agreeing, act, but it's something. yeah theres a few billionaires that are like "oh just throw them a bone so they dont destroy it all already" lol
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Cyberpunk was too optimistic in that there was still room for individual agency on the margins of the corporatocracy. most of the cool poo poo in cyberpunk revolves around hypercompetent criminals, not the dudes dying on the streets
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Rand alPaul posted:There has to be some hope that we can all download our brains into computers one day and have cybernetic implants that help us gently caress hot robot chicks. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2012/03/13/148506762/turning-homeless-men-into-wifi-hotspots-at-sxsw-ignites-debate
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Cyberpunk was too optimistic in that there was still room for individual agency on the margins of the corporatocracy. the cyberpunk genre posited that while we would be living in a corporation dominated hellscape it would also be one where there would be ways to break away and live outside the bounds of corporations with cool technology and stuff. this is false and corporations will always retain control over the technology they produce and expend much effort on suppressing or subverting any attempts at utilizing their platforms as the consumer wishes.o
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:Arguably destroyed from the inside by factionalism and moderates. Oh god is the Anabaptist signal going off AGAIN I'm so tired... hastily shoves something in front of a door marked 'Munster Rebellion'
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:Arguably destroyed from the inside by factionalism and moderates. not my area of specialty, feel free to effort-post, i'd read it
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