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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:Where is it bottlenecked? It really seems on geometry and bandwidth. Doubling the ROPs might fix this, and in spec HBM2 (and thus more OC headroom) may as well.
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Aug 30, 2017 16:52
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They're never going to get the memo about rops, are they.
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Aug 30, 2017 16:55
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:Where is it bottlenecked? Somewhere around 2011
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Aug 30, 2017 16:56
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Don Lapre posted:Somewhere around 2011 
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Aug 30, 2017 16:56
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https://twitter.com/GFXChipTweeter/status/902914844550037505 According to Raja, Vega drivers are not finished and not all features are active.
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Aug 30, 2017 18:10
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FaustianQ posted:https://twitter.com/GFXChipTweeter/status/902914844550037505 If they have not got it working after all this time what are the chances that they simply never will...
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Aug 30, 2017 18:12
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Don Lapre posted:Somewhere around 2011 Goddrat
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Aug 30, 2017 18:12
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Measly Twerp posted:If they have not got it working after all this time what are the chances that they simply never will... They're waiting to unload on Poor Volta. Someone should ask him why Vega caught the driver team off-guard.
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Aug 30, 2017 18:17
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FaustianQ posted:According to Raja, Vega drivers are not finished and not all features are active. He might mean enablement on the game developers side, since no engine is using FP16 or the higher tier DX12 features or primitive shaders yet. But don't hold your breath for those appearing in more than a handful of games any time soon.
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Aug 30, 2017 18:23
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Measly Twerp posted:If they have not got it working after all this time what are the chances that they simply never will... Raja is straight up saying Vega 64 is competitive with the 1080ti (that's the crux of Khalids argument, the delta in performance despite die size similarity). He..he does realize that's like, a 25% increase in performance over current results, right? 25% is usually reserved to moving to a new generation or the difference between market segments, that's basically conjuring up an entirely new card. EDIT: repiv posted:He might mean enablement on the game developers side, since no engine is using FP16 or the higher tier DX12 features or primitive shaders yet. But don't hold your breath for those appearing in more than a handful of games any time soon. If that's what he means then he's truly lost his marbles. It's akin to making the argument that Cypress would just trounce the GK104 if only they made use of the special function shaders. EmpyreanFlux fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Aug 30, 2017 |
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Aug 30, 2017 18:26
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repiv posted:He might mean enablement on the game developers side, since no engine is using FP16 or the higher tier DX12 features or primitive shaders yet. But don't hold your breath for those appearing in more than a handful of games any time soon. This is what I was assuming. While there might be one or two minor things not enabled in drivers, the majority of it is probably stuff like FP16.
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Aug 30, 2017 18:27
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Reasons to buy Vega: - The already-bad driver support for your Polaris card is bound to get worse now that RTG is focusing on Vega drivers - It will heat your room in the coming winter - Having a rare, difficult to get piece of hardware will make your system more unique - It might secretly be good
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Aug 30, 2017 19:02
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Maxwell Adams posted:Reasons to buy Vega: • You feel sorry for AMD and have money burning a hole in your pocket
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Aug 30, 2017 19:14
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If you don't buy a magazine subscription Raja isn't going to be able to make his Tesla payment this month 
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Aug 30, 2017 19:18
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HalloKitty posted:• You feel sorry for AMD and have money burning a hole in your pocket I wonder at this point what percentage of their profits are from fanboys.
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Aug 30, 2017 19:20
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I honestly feel really thick about this, but I wonder if anyone here can conduct an experiment, because I just realized that GP104-400 and Hawaii/Grenada Pro have an incredibly similar configuration, both being 2560 ALUs, 160 TMUs and 64 ROPs. Obviously they're grouped differently (the GP104 into 128, GCN obviously into 64) but a clock for clock comparison might be interesting? This is as close a direct comparison as possible I can think of offhand and it could put in context the uphill battle AMD has and where they might really need to improve.
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Aug 30, 2017 19:47
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Someone find a way to overclock the Bone X's GPU
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Aug 30, 2017 21:40
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So I've been using DVI -> HDMI cable since I got my EVGA GTX 760 in Nov 2014 and only now happened to try connecting it by HDMI -> HDMI to the TV only to find out the HDMI port doesn't work. Same problem as this guy: http://www.techsupportforum.com/forums/f24/gtx-760-hdmi-not-working-817266.html I bought the card from Newegg.ca, it says 3 year limited parts and labor warranty, any hope in getting this fixed or should I just write it off and use the other ports?
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Aug 30, 2017 21:40
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Someone find a way to overclock the Bone X's GPU Still not useful since the Polega GPU in it is going to get bottlenecked by the Jaguar cores. Like, not even Puma+ or Puma, still loving Jaguar.
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Aug 30, 2017 21:47
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cowofwar posted:So I've been using DVI -> HDMI cable since I got my EVGA GTX 760 in Nov 2014... By my count your warranty hasn't run out, so it shouldn't be an issue. Contact the manufacturer and go through the normal process, why wouldn't they send you a replacement for a broken port?
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Aug 30, 2017 22:05
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Welp I need to hold out until Navi launch to get cheap Vega because that one is going to be hosed by drivers just as bad even if the silicon is "perfect" anyway.
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Aug 30, 2017 22:06
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cowofwar posted:So I've been using DVI -> HDMI cable since I got my EVGA GTX 760 in Nov 2014 and only now happened to try connecting it by HDMI -> HDMI to the TV only to find out the HDMI port doesn't work. It's still within warranty so call EVGA and see what they can do for you, all they need for proof of purchase is a digital copy of your invoice which you can get from your newegg order history page.
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Aug 30, 2017 22:09
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Maxwell Adams posted:Reasons to buy Vega:
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Aug 30, 2017 22:12
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ZobarStyl posted:-you already spent a ton on a FreeSync ultrawide last year and hindsight's a bitch a 1080 or 1080ti on any ultrawide is still a better experience than vega 99% of the time
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Aug 30, 2017 22:23
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cowofwar posted:So I've been using DVI -> HDMI cable since I got my EVGA GTX 760 in Nov 2014 and only now happened to try connecting it by HDMI -> HDMI to the TV only to find out the HDMI port doesn't work. Might get a better card out of the deal. I think they cleared out 700 series cards a few months ago through b stock. If not faster, whatever equivalent they can provide will certainly be objectively better in every other way. You can nudge that in the right direction by explaining your needs (or potential needs) that use all your ports, 'lil protip. Its possible you could receive a NIB 760 as well, which I'd put straight on ebay. Or they can just fix the thing of course which is great too after 3 years
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Aug 31, 2017 00:43
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AMD should have just scrapped it all on the consumer side and refreshed Fiji on 14nm. Probably would have worked heaps better. In other news, I have a 1080 Ti now. And now I want to buy a 7700K because I am for the first time in living memory bottlenecked at the CPU 
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Aug 31, 2017 04:26
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Kazinsal posted:AMD should have just scrapped it all on the consumer side and refreshed Fiji on 14nm. Probably would have worked heaps better. The i5 8600k is looking hot
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Aug 31, 2017 04:42
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1gnoirents posted:The i5 8600k is looking hot More delidding needed?
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Aug 31, 2017 05:39
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it's pretty special that you need to do something that voids your warranty on the 7700k to stay at or above base clock for an extended period of time imagine that times 1.5 for the 8600k and 8700k they really should just solder that poo poo if they're gonna charge 399 for it really
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Aug 31, 2017 07:10
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Kazinsal posted:AMD should have just scrapped it all on the consumer side and refreshed Fiji on 14nm. Probably would have worked heaps better.
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Aug 31, 2017 07:12
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I think for my next CPU if it's one of these things that need delidding, I'll just buy it off silicon lottery. They do the delid for you, guarantee the CPU works, and even guarantee an overclock for a little extra. As opposed to spending the 50 bucks or whatever it is on the delidding kit, doing it myself and possibly loving it up because I'm a clutz and I'll probably drop it and it'll land die-down the way toast lands butter-down, and losing my warranty anyway.
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Aug 31, 2017 09:26
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Or just get the better chip and buy AMD because it's 2003 again?
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Aug 31, 2017 10:16
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:isn't this pretty much what they did with vega Haha nope, at least earlier folks were finding IPC regressions from Fiji. And DSBR isn't even on all the time, so it seems the implementation is way different from Pascal.
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Aug 31, 2017 10:40
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Truga posted:Or just get the better chip and buy AMD because it's 2003 again? No way is it 2003, where the gently caress is my 9700 Pro Redux AMD!
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Aug 31, 2017 10:52
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FaustianQ posted:No way is it 2003, where the gently caress is my 9700 Pro Redux AMD! I heard vega is really loving good in dx9...?  Also that's ATi and ATi's loving gone, deal with it. 
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Aug 31, 2017 10:58
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MSI RX 580 Gaming X 8gb has been in stock on Newegg for over two hours! Never been that long before.
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Aug 31, 2017 14:08
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:isn't this pretty much what they did with vega Polaris.
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Aug 31, 2017 19:43
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:it's pretty special that you need to do something that voids your warranty on the 7700k to stay at or above base clock for an extended period of time You scared me, I thought the 8600k was supposed to be $400 lol
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Aug 31, 2017 20:10
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Green Gloves posted:MSI RX 580 Gaming X 8gb has been in stock on Newegg for over two hours! Never been that long before. It's as if the dumb AMD-only buttcoiners finally realizes NV cards may not actually suck at this crypto thing.
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