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Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Jeb! Repetition posted:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/29/16216346/antifa-violence

In a nutshell, violent protests cause authoritarian backlash, don't accomplish goals as well as peaceful protests in the modern era, and enable both-sidesism.

there isnt a single solidly backed up assertion in this entire article lol

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EmpyreanFlux
Mar 1, 2013

The AUDACITY! The IMPUDENCE! The unabated NERVE!

Jeb! Repetition posted:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/29/16216346/antifa-violence

In a nutshell, violent protests cause authoritarian backlash, don't accomplish goals as well as peaceful protests in the modern era, and enable both-sidesism.

"Well you see your honor I had to beat her senseless with ole louie after she slapped me for threatening her." *jury nodes sagely, clearly she was no angel*

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Al! posted:

left-acting liberal intellectuals like freddie deboer and angela nagel are the greatest threat to leftism because they arm liberals with the weapons they use against it

https://twitter.com/nberlat/status/878742582863515648

That's a deliberate mischaracterization of her argument. She claims that transgression has become reflexively celebrated by everyone in America because hegemonic capitalism has robbed the left of all substantive power of critique. She blames fucks like Pelosi for enabling the rise of the right and argues that the only thing that can stop it is a genuine project from an actual political left.

She criticizes tumblr discourse for the same kind of emaciated politics, saying tumblr teens went from critiquing racism and misogyny to defending weird otherkin identities with equal vigor because capitalism leaves them with nowhere else to go.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Elephant Ambush posted:

Oh, so you're a lovely boring troll gimmick. My bad for not realizing that sooner. :tipshat:

no that's just jeb!

Lessail
Apr 1, 2011

:cry::cry:
tell me how vgk aren't playing like shit again
:cry::cry:
p.s. help my grapes are so sour!

Al! posted:

there isnt a single solidly backed up assertion in this entire article lol

Isn't the video that begins the article heavily (almost maliciously) mischaracterized lol

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Jeb! Repetition posted:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/29/16216346/antifa-violence

In a nutshell, violent protests cause authoritarian backlash, don't accomplish goals as well as peaceful protests in the modern era, and enable both-sidesism.

In a nutshell, bullshit.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Darkman Fanpage posted:

no that's just jeb!

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004


The gently caress is this

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
how come liberals slavish attention to informed and well-researched discourse stops at stuff that they want to believe is true

EmpyreanFlux
Mar 1, 2013

The AUDACITY! The IMPUDENCE! The unabated NERVE!

Lessail posted:

Isn't the video that begins the article heavily (almost maliciously) mischaracterized lol

Yeah, it's missing the first half of the Nazi pepperspraying and antagonizing basically everyone kicking the poo poo out of him. The article is trash.

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

liberals: violent protestors are enabling the destructive "both sides" narrative!
also liberals: *the "both sides" narrative*

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...m=.7abb3d0b60c0

quote:

Yes, antifa is the moral equivalent of neo-Nazis

Last weekend in Berkeley, Calif., a group of neo-communist antifa — “anti-fascist” — thugs attacked peaceful protesters at a “No to Marxism in America” rally, wielding sticks and pepper spray, and beating people with homemade shields that read (I kid you not) “No Hate.” The Post reports how one peaceful protester “was attacked by five black-clad antifa members, each windmilling kicks and punches into a man desperately trying to protect himself.” Members of the Berkeley College Republicans were then stalked by antifa goons who followed them to a gas station and demanded they “get the [expletive] out” of their car, warning, “We are real hungry for supremacists and there is more of us.”

The organizer of the anti-Marxism protest is not a white supremacist. Amber Cummings is a self-described “transsexual female who embraces diversity” and had announced on Facebook that “any racist groups like the KKK [and] Neo Nazis . . . are not welcome.” The protest was needed, Cummings said, because “Berkeley is a ground zero for the Marxist Movement.”

As if to prove Cummings’s point, the antifa movement responded with jackboots and clubs — because their definition of “fascist” includes not just neo-Nazis but also anyone who opposes their totalitarian worldview.

And let’s be clear: Totalitarian is precisely what they are. Mark Bray, a Dartmouth lecturer who has defended antifa’s violent tactics, recently explained in The Post, “Its adherents are predominantly communists, socialists and anarchists” who believe that physical violence “is both ethically justifiable and strategically effective.” In other words, they are no different from neo-Nazis. Neo-Nazis are the violent advocates of a murderous ideology that killed 25 million people last century. Antifa members are the violent advocates of a murderous ideology that, according to “The Black Book of Communism,” killed between 85 million and 100 million people last century. Both practice violence and preach hate. They are morally indistinguishable. There is no difference between those who beat innocent people in the name of the ideology that gave us Hitler and Himmler and those who beat innocent people in the name of the ideology that gave us Stalin and Dzerzhinsky.

The United States defeated two murderous ideologies in the 20th century. So we should all be repulsed by the sight of our fellow Americans carrying the banners of either movement, whether they are waving the red flags of communism or black flags of Nazism. Yet we are not. Communism is not viewed as an evil comparable to Nazism today. As Alex Griswold recently pointed out, the New York Times has published no fewer than six opinion pieces this year defending communism, including essays praising Lenin as a conservationist, explaining why Stalinism inspired Americans, and arguing that the Bolsheviks were romantics at heart and that women had better sex under communism. Can one imagine the Times running similar pieces about the Nazis?


My mother and grandfather fought the Nazis in Poland during World War II, and her family then endured the Stalinist terror that followed, when Nazi occupation was replaced by Soviet domination. So forgive me if I see little moral distinction between the swastika and the hammer and sickle. Both are evil, and their modern adherents need to be condemned — especially when they dare to commit acts of violence in our midst to advance their hateful visions.

This oval office's grandfather died fighting in the Warsaw uprising.

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cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene
its weird how vox wapo, local bay area media and pelosi all simultaenously bothsidesed in the same 18 hour period :thunk:

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
I always figured that the liberals will gladly hand over all initiative to the fascists and will fight the left far more viciously than the right, I am never ever disappointed by their venal and stupid nature.

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


the bitcoin of weed posted:

liberals: violent protestors are enabling the destructive "both sides" narrative!
also liberals: *the "both sides" narrative*

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

business hammocks posted:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...m=.7abb3d0b60c0


This oval office's grandfather died fighting in the Warsaw uprising.

yeah and he was bush's speechwriter so what do you expect from a neocon shithead making poo poo up and believing stuff made up by the alt-right?

quote:

Thiessen's first book, Courting Disaster: How the CIA Kept America Safe and How Barack Obama Is Inviting the Next Attack (ISBN 1596986034), was published by Regnery Publishing in January 2010. In the book he argued that the enhanced interrogation techniques used by the CIA, which the Obama administration has characterized as torture,[10] are not torture by any reasonable legal or moral standard and "were not only effective, but lawful and morally just".[11] The book was endorsed by the former Vice President Dick Cheney, former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and former Attorney General Michael Mukasey.[12] It reached the No. 9 spot on the New York Times Best Sellers list for hardcover nonfiction in February 2010.[13]

lol torture is good

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

cargo cult posted:

its weird how vox wapo, local bay area media and pelosi all simultaenously bothsidesed in the same 18 hour period :thunk:

they all had these pieces written and waiting for whatever the next headline conflict after charlottesville would be. cowards and dipshits

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Lessail posted:

Isn't the video that begins the article heavily (almost maliciously) mischaracterized lol

They characterize it as Antifa beating a peaceful right-wing protestor, which based on all the available information about the incident is accurate. The black guy shielding him with his body is liberal podcast host Al Letson and he didn't know the victim.

Al! posted:

there isnt a single solidly backed up assertion in this entire article lol

The data on violent/peaceful protests and their effect on Nixon vs. Humphrey is all in the study that was linked, and Erica Chenoweth's study on demonstrations that the article cites seems pretty well backed by evidence: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/11/05/peaceful-protest-is-much-more-effective-than-violence-in-toppling-dictators/

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Jeb! Repetition posted:

You guys are so mad that a violent, dangerous organization is being treated as such.

its not an organization

Jeb! Repetition posted:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/29/16216346/antifa-violence

In a nutshell, violent protests cause authoritarian backlash, don't accomplish goals as well as peaceful protests in the modern era, and enable both-sidesism.

ah yes we wouldn't want to enable authoritarianism by punching nazis, you stupid fuckin piece of poo poo

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

FaustianQ posted:

Yeah, it's missing the first half of the Nazi pepperspraying and antagonizing basically everyone kicking the poo poo out of him. The article is trash.

That's a different person.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Jeb! Repetition posted:

The data on violent/peaceful protests and their effect on Nixon vs. Humphrey is all in the study that was linked, and Erica Chenoweth's study on demonstrations that the article cites seems pretty well backed by evidence: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/11/05/peaceful-protest-is-much-more-effective-than-violence-in-toppling-dictators/

neither of those studies are particularly well researched

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Jeb! Repetition posted:

They characterize it as Antifa beating a peaceful right-wing protestor, which based on all the available information about the incident is accurate.

no its not you fuckin cocksucker, it's missing the entire lead in where the guy is pepper spraying people

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
antifa are violent fascists screams colossal retard

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

no its not you fuckin cocksucker, it's missing the entire lead in where the guy is pepper spraying people

Jeb! Repetition posted:

That's a different person.


Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
dang, the solid evidence keeps coming. wow you liberals are so brainy and good at discourse

comingafteryouall
Aug 2, 2011


can someone please just have a free speech rally where everyone yells gently caress the troops and takes hot steaming shits on american flags

just to make this whole conversation even more convoluted and filled with more bad faith arguments

Lessail
Apr 1, 2011

:cry::cry:
tell me how vgk aren't playing like shit again
:cry::cry:
p.s. help my grapes are so sour!

Jeb! Repetition posted:

They characterize it as Antifa beating a peaceful right-wing protestor, which based on all the available information about the incident is accurate. The black guy shielding him with his body is liberal podcast host Al Letson and he didn't know the victim.

Look guy, I don't trust you as a source of information so

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

Jeb! Repetition posted:

The black guy shielding him with his body is liberal

you don't say

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

business hammocks posted:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...m=.7abb3d0b60c0


This oval office's grandfather died fighting in the Warsaw uprising.

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Wasn't Cummings paling around with some white supremacists or am I just misremembering things?

C2C - 2.0
May 14, 2006

Dubs In The Key Of Life


Lipstick Apathy

quote:

The organizer of the anti-Marxism protest is not a white supremacist. Amber Cummings is a self-described “transsexual female who embraces diversity” and had announced on Facebook that “any racist groups like the KKK [and] Neo Nazis . . . are not welcome.” The protest was needed, Cummings said, because “Berkeley is a ground zero for the Marxist Movement.”

As if to prove Cummings’s point, the antifa movement responded with jackboots and clubs — because their definition of “fascist” includes not just neo-Nazis but also anyone who opposes their totalitarian worldview.

Just :lol:

Just loving :lol: at this bullshit & people like Jeb Rep who buy it hook, line, & sinker.

There is no equivocation.

C2C - 2.0 has issued a correction as of 22:08 on Aug 30, 2017

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

C2C - 2.0 posted:

Just :lol:

Just loving :lol: at this bullshit & people like Jeb Rep who buy it hook, line, & sinker.

There is no equivocation.



gently caress everything

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


lmao 250 dollars for a piece of plywood that takes like, half an hour max to cut into shape.

Qu Appelle
Nov 3, 2005

"If a COVID-19 pandemic occurs, public health officials may have additional instructions, such as avoiding close contact with others as much as possible, and staying home if someone in your household is sick." - Official insights from Public Health: Seattle & King County staff

Let's see what FOAK have been up to:

https://twitter.com/shane_bauer/status/902999303492222978

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

good hopefully they'll die

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Agean90 posted:

lmao 250 dollars for a piece of plywood that takes like, half an hour max to cut into shape.

yeah but it's based stickman limited edition!!!

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

business hammocks posted:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...m=.7abb3d0b60c0


This oval office's grandfather died fighting in the Warsaw uprising.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

LOL

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Al! posted:

dang, the solid evidence keeps coming. wow you liberals are so brainy and good at discourse

Do you have a problem with Shane Bauer's clarification about the victim's identity, or...?

comingafteryouall posted:

can someone please just have a free speech rally where everyone yells gently caress the troops and takes hot steaming shits on american flags

just to make this whole conversation even more convoluted and filled with more bad faith arguments

Yes please.

Lessail posted:

Look guy, I don't trust you as a source of information so

That's okay, here's an article about Letson's role in the incident from the news site he works for: https://www.revealnews.org/blog/reveal-host-al-letson-shields-man-from-beating-at-anti-hate-rally/

C2C - 2.0
May 14, 2006

Dubs In The Key Of Life


Lipstick Apathy
Hey guys, in addition to calling for genocide & being solidly behind Trump, guess what else the Alt-Right/White Gnats/Nazis do with alarming frequency & without shame?

They LIE.

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011

Agean90 posted:

lmao 250 dollars for a piece of plywood that takes like, half an hour max to cut into shape.

Yeah, making your own lovely wooden shield is fun and easy.

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NickRoweFillea
Sep 27, 2012

doin thangs
Marc Thiessen writes a weekly column for The Post on foreign and domestic policy and contributes to the PostPartisan blog. He is a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, and the former chief speechwriter for President George W. Bush. Follow @marcthie

mag-fuckin-neato

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