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Raxivace posted:Alright who's everyone's worst Gundam character? The one you like 
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Aug 30, 2017 20:23
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Droyer posted:The one you like
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Aug 30, 2017 20:25
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Raxivace posted:Alright who's everyone's worst Gundam character? Naze is unironically mine. I can't think of a character I like less or who is more of an active drag down on a show for me. Beecha is bad but he's at least like... I'm supposed to think this guy is kind of a fuckup instead of thinking he's space Jesus. Lacus is bad but she's pretty much in-tone with her show, not showing up to actively drag the rest of the show down. The closest is probably Nina from 0083 and even then she's not on that level of awful. Naze this that perfect mix of being a bad character, an author's pet, out of place with the setting, absorbing tons of screentime, having some really weird creepy poo poo going on, and not even having like a cool robot fight or something so I can go "well at least he had that scene." I can't think of a single redeeming thing about him except the OP fakeout was pretty funny. Edit: The best Gundam character is Klim Nick however. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Aug 30, 2017 |
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Aug 30, 2017 20:25
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I like Beecha's clothes. Therefore he is ok in my book.
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Aug 30, 2017 20:30
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Actually, a quick runner up to Naze Turbine is Sekai Kamiki if we're allowing the BF universe. gently caress that guy.
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Aug 30, 2017 20:33
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ImpAtom posted:Actually, a quick runner up to Naze Turbine is Sekai Kamiki if we're allowing the BF universe. gently caress that guy. I guess using your criteria of bringing the show down he'd be the worst character. I just found him incredibly bland, not actively hateable.
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Aug 30, 2017 20:38
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Raxivace posted:Alright who's everyone's worst Gundam character? Wufei. No contest.
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Aug 30, 2017 20:41
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Ranzear posted:Wufei. No contest. I was having a hard time with this question but you solved it for me thanks. Wufei is the worrrrrst.
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Aug 30, 2017 20:43
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Monaghan posted:I guess using your criteria of bringing the show down he'd be the worst character. I just found him incredibly bland, not actively hateable. He's not actively hateabale as a character but he's probably the single worst "drags this goddamn show down" thing in Gundam, yeah. If he was a side character in someone else's show I'd just forget about him.
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Aug 30, 2017 20:58
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Michel is also a pretty useless tit, and an idiot to boot. It's no wonder his Mimi left him.
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Aug 30, 2017 21:01
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Raxivace posted:Alright who's everyone's worst Gundam character? I kind of find Beecha amusing in that it's like having early-Zeta Kamille with them. The guy did a lot of things Kamille would've, like hijack a mobile suit just to terrorize an MP that hit him, or pick a fight (and get his rear end kicked) by Wong Lee.  The character I find to be the worst would be Shino from IBO. He's completely pointless since everyone else already does what he can, but better. Orga has a better drama about the burdens of leadership, Akihiro is already the less talented pilot who works hard to keep up with the others, Eugene's better at the girl-crazy thing since he doesn't constantly boast how he wants to tap someone. The only thing he's got going for him is that Yamagi pines for him, but that's really more Yamagi's deal than anything. The fact someone as expendable as Shino survived S1 while Biscuit didn't is what really sours me on him.
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Aug 30, 2017 21:05
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Monaghan posted:I guess using your criteria of bringing the show down he'd be the worst character. I just found him incredibly bland, not actively hateable. Bland is the worst thing to be.
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Aug 30, 2017 21:07
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Katejina Loos like what was she even doing
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Aug 30, 2017 21:08
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amigolupus posted:I kind of find Beecha amusing in that it's like having early-Zeta Kamille with them. The guy did a lot of things Kamille would've, like hijack a mobile suit just to terrorize an MP that hit him, or pick a fight (and get his rear end kicked) by Wong Lee. I loathe Shino but he's redeemed by his death scene which is the single best bit of dark comedy and tragedy in all of IBO. The dude with the gaudy robot attempting to heroically commit a war crime with an illegal weapon and failing miserably before being gunned down like a dog is the optimal payoff for the character wasting so much goddamn time .
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Aug 30, 2017 21:09
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Mao. Mao is my worst Gundam character.
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Aug 30, 2017 21:12
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TFRazorsaw posted:Mao. Mao is my worst Gundam character. I can't hate Mao. I dislike him as a character but he has great taste in Gundams, so I can't hate him. I can't say the same for Sekai though, who sucks badly and brings his whole series down with him. I want to say that Try would be improved by removing him, but the series would collapse on itself because every rival's motivation is Sekai and every girl wants Sekai for some goddamn reason. Minato is great because he exists outside of the Try paradigm of "all your motivation is Sekai".
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Aug 30, 2017 21:21
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I actually like Sekai, so. Le shrug.
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Aug 30, 2017 21:27
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You know I'm a little surprised no one has mentioned Kira yet.
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Aug 30, 2017 21:30
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Or Kio. Or Ezelcant, because hahaha what the holy gently caress.
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Aug 30, 2017 21:31
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Raxivace posted:You know I'm a little surprised no one has mentioned Kira yet. Kira is a pretty bad character but to be honest, especially with years going by, he isn't the worst. He has a coherent character arc throughout SEED, even if it's dumb and ill-considered, and the worst of his crimes in Destiny are mostly being boring and hypocritical. Pretty much everything bad he does (and it's a lot) are repeated in worst fashion by Kio Asuno who is easily the worst part of Age and doesn't even have the competence given to Kira Yamato. At this point I don't think Kira would be on my top 5 worst Gundam characters list but that's more because there have been some insanely dire Gundam characters. Edit: Kira would be my pick for the Worst Character In Destiny but Yzak would actually be my pick for the worst in SEED. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Aug 30, 2017 |
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Aug 30, 2017 21:40
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ImpAtom posted:Edit: What about Meer?
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Aug 30, 2017 21:47
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Spelling Mitsake posted:What about Meer? Meer is pretty bad but at least has a somewhat coherent arc about being an exploited individual forced into a role where she can't be herself which is basically the closest the show comes to really showing how lovely the Destiny plan is. She's pretty drat low on the list still mind you but not rock-bottom. Also she doesn't have Soichiro Hoshi voicing her and Arthur getting super into her lovely pop cover of a song cracked me up. I'd actually put Talia below Meer because "welp, gonna abandon my kid to go die, take care of him other ship captain I briefly spoke to!!" is some awful awful poo poo.
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Aug 30, 2017 21:53
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Sekai is the worst. Remember Shimon? The Build Fighter who who used the Gunpla his sick brother made because he wanted to make him happy. And even tough his brother was just a little kid and not a good builder yet, Shimon used his boxing experience to overcome that and win Gunpla battles. And then Sekai showed up, a guy who didn't know about or have any interest in Gunpla, and defeated Shimon using a world-class Gunpla he found by luck, in a match that was explicitly shown to be decided by build quality. gently caress Sekai
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Aug 30, 2017 21:58
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Sekai's biggest crime is turning Fumina, who could have been a great character and a female lead, into one of the fangirls in his harem. Such a goddamn waste. He does suck since he coached along using an insanely broken style of martial arts, happened to find a world class gunpla by accident and pulled abilities like assimilation out of his rear end.
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Aug 30, 2017 22:03
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Yzak, Katejina, Ali Al-Saachez, Iok
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Aug 30, 2017 22:15
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I still can't get over how Fumina's gunpla was written such that its primary purpose was to explode so the boys could fight better. I mean her second half one was pretty good at least, but still. And Ali is certainly a terrible person, but I don't know if he's really a bad character. chumbler fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Aug 30, 2017 |
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Aug 30, 2017 22:16
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Ali is a pretty solid character. ...in season 1.
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Aug 30, 2017 22:20
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Srice posted:Ali is a pretty solid character. Look we don't talk about season 2 okay? Except the cool CB uniforms. Those you can talk about. Oh and 'll also allow talking about Setsuna a pink haired girl whose name I can't remember. chumbler fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Aug 30, 2017 |
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Aug 30, 2017 22:21
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Ali's not a deep character but he's a fun one. He's a bastard and he loves it. Scott Mcneil's dub of him is the best
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Aug 30, 2017 22:22
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My low point of a character in 00 is probably Nena Trinity honestly, a character who is both genuinely an unlikable poo poo and spends a ton of the series running around for no real interesting payoff. She and Ali basically have the same problems but Ali at least does a bit more.
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Aug 30, 2017 22:23
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We're talking about characters we don't like. Good job writers, I don't like the murderous assholes or Iok.
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Aug 30, 2017 22:24
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Monaghan posted:Sekai's biggest crime is turning Fumina, who could have been a great character and a female lead, into one of the fangirls in his harem. Such a goddamn waste. Sekai shut down all potential romances in the show because all women must love Sekai. Even though he expressed zero romantic interest towards any of them. chumbler posted:I still can't get over how Fumina's gunpla was written such that its primary purpose was to explode so the boys could fight better. I mean her second half one was pretty good at least, but still. At least that was part of her character arc. She realized that she was too focused on making the club work and not focusing enough on herself. I mean, that was it, that was her entire character arc. But still
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Aug 30, 2017 22:29
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wouldn't call them worst in series or anything, but I can't think of any 00 characters I actually like. a lot I had no strong feelings for until season 2, where most of them also became bad
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Aug 30, 2017 22:37
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amigolupus posted:I kind of find Beecha amusing in that it's like having early-Zeta Kamille with them. The guy did a lot of things Kamille would've, like hijack a mobile suit just to terrorize an MP that hit him, or pick a fight (and get his rear end kicked) by Wong Lee. I'm not saying you have to like him, but I thought it was pretty obvious what Shino does. He's the guy who doesn't get it. The rest of Tekkadan may not know where the road they're on end, but they understand on some level the basic deal. No greater good, no just cause. Shino... Shino's a guy in the wrong genre. He's a super robot pilot. Thinks as little as possible, yells as loud as possible, a friend to all except the enemy who he can kill without regret, blindly oblivious to his obvious love interest. He's innocent in a weird way most of Tekkadan pointedly isn't. Again, you might not like him, or think the function he fills isn't necessary although nobody in the cast could fail a million to one long shot quite as effectively as he did, but he does provide something none of the other characters do.
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Aug 30, 2017 22:50
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Ali AL Sanchez is was my favorite character in 00 but I'm pretty sure that's entirely the voice acting and his name being amusing Patrick Colasour comes in second place for the exact same reasons
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Aug 30, 2017 23:28
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Patrick is the only person in 00 who had a happy ending. It's debatable whether Kati did.
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Aug 30, 2017 23:31
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Blaze Dragon posted:I can't hate Mao. I dislike him as a character but he has great taste in Gundams, so I can't hate him. They would've just made the one girl the main character like they had CLEARLY wanted, and it wouldn't have been the same show at all.
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Aug 31, 2017 00:15
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Fumina is the lead, beginning with a lack of confidence but having the love of Gundam and the desire to succeed that brings the team together. Sekai is the best fighter but the poorest builder and has no real love for Gundam, so his experiences are entirely fight-based and his time with Fumina helps bring out a genuine love of Gundam. Kousaka is the best builder, not a great fighter, and while he loves building he lacks the genuine affection that separates technically proficient but heartless builders from those who create things out of love of adoration. (Setting up his rivalry with the guy who makes weird bloated goofy machines that are genuinely heartfelt.) Fumina's arc is growing into her own confidence and her genuine love of Gunpla, Gunpla Battle and Gundam allowing her to create a machine that embodies the best traits of all and also brings out the best traits of her allies. Super frigging easy storytelling without changing anything but the protagonist. It's sort of lightly repeating Sei's character arc but that's fine. Making the protagonist "the one who loves Gundam" supported by "the good fighter" and "The good builder" is better than what we got.
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Aug 31, 2017 00:26
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I don't recall her loving gundam the franchise so much as just loving gunpla, which would be something that separates her from Sei. Not being the world's greatest prodigy builder would also be a good distinguishing point.
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Aug 31, 2017 00:36
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chumbler posted:I don't recall her loving gundam the franchise so much as just loving gunpla, which would be something that separates her from Sei. Not being the world's greatest prodigy builder would also be a good distinguishing point. Nah, early on she talks a lot about her love of Gundam and she's the one who does all the Gundam geeking out that happens in the series. (For all that it happens in Try which has way less Gundam geeking in general.) Well I guess she and Sekai sing Anime Ja Nai together but you know who is the one who taught him that song. Try in general though is just way lighter on love for the Gundam franchise which is the weirdest thing about it. It's basically Generic Tiny Robots beyond a certain point.
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Aug 31, 2017 00:45
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