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whomupclicklike posted:After reading both of those articles twice I'm still having a hard time parsing what's going on. What does TIF have to do with school funding? OKAY! Time for a bit of municipal financing bullshit. A Tax Incremental Financing district is a tool in some states that allows for improvements in areas that are currently Blighted or determined to be in need of infrastructure improvements. What you do is take the current tax rate of an area and go to all of the tax collection agencies in that area (typically local, county/parish, state, school district, technical colleges) and say 'hey, for the next twenty years, you're going to be getting the same amount of money as you do right now in this area. THEN, you borrow against the expected improvements in the tax rate in the area to perform improvements to infrastructure, offer up incentives to businesses to move into the area, or to clear up 'blight'. As the TIF grows, you are able to pay off those loans with the difference in the tax rate that's being improved. Then, after the TIF matures, everyone gets to profit off that increased tax base. What's possibly racist about this is that it can be seen as a tool for gentrification or as a way to pay big corporate interests to move in and fill their coffers with money. It also has the added effect of being arcane as gently caress, so the people see the city council spending millions of dollars on road work and improvements and then 'WHY ARE WE SPENDING MONEY MUH TAX DOLLARS' even though they are literally not paying anything more than they usually would.
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Phuzzy posted:OKAY! Time for a bit of municipal financing bullshit. A Tax Incremental Financing district is a tool in some states that allows for improvements in areas that are currently Blighted or determined to be in need of infrastructure improvements. What you do is take the current tax rate of an area and go to all of the tax collection agencies in that area (typically local, county/parish, state, school district, technical colleges) and say 'hey, for the next twenty years, you're going to be getting the same amount of money as you do right now in this area. So is this money supposed to be used on schools or not
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whomupclicklike posted:So is this money supposed to be used on schools or not It can't be directly spent on schools, no. It also takes money out of their coffers that is then spent by the local municipal authority running the TIF. That can mean stagnating funding for districts through both reduced tax income, as well as reduced state aid as the district gets 'richer' at tax assessment time. What I'm trying to say is that a lovely TIF can harm schools that need the funding.
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whomupclicklike posted:So is this money supposed to be used on schools or not From the sounds of it since taxes to schools have been capped because property taxes have been capped (that's an argument for another time because holy crap does that need to be addressed) the money is being used elsewhere where Allie is saying it should be used to schools. That's my take on it but again the entire execution of this comic is hard as hell to place partly because I'm not dealing with this situation personally. Thanks for the parsing of it though phuzzy.
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Spiffster posted:From the sounds of it since taxes to schools have been capped because property taxes have been capped (that's an argument for another time because holy crap does that need to be addressed) the money is being used elsewhere where Allie is saying it should be used to schools. That's my take on it but again the entire execution of this comic is hard as hell to place partly because I'm not dealing with this situation. Allie gonna Allie, and any excuse to take a shot at BIG DEMOCRAT in Illinois is going to be made. He's not entirely wrong here, but he should know drat well TIF funding isn't some drat slush fund (most of the time).
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whomupclicklike posted:So this whole TIF thing seems bad to me, where does the racism come in? The thing is, it's not /bad/ when you're looking at situations in Wisconsin where State Aid is now zero thanks to Governor Walker, TIF is often the only tool that local governments now have to spur growth in their community.
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whomupclicklike posted:So this whole TIF thing seems bad to me, where does the racism come in?
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HootTheOwl posted:"Encourages Development" is often code for gentrification which often prices out the original (minority) occupants of an area. Also it was made by Allie so we're just going with the Free Space in Bingo here
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HootTheOwl posted:"Encourages Development" is often code for gentrification which often prices out the original (minority) occupants of an area. So is the cartoon racist for encouraging gentrification?
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Apple Pie Hubbub posted:
The Family Research Council is a hate group, Bok. Sorry to break the bad news to you. I'm not sorry. Not even a little sorry. You are a lovely person, Bok.
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:Vampire hunter shows up to save the guy, the vampire's like "nah man look the guy's a nazi", the vampire hunter's like "oh okay carry on then" CoolCab posted:well, the vampire is going to eat someone. a vampire hunter has the drop on him! but no, the vampire explains that the person deserves a painful death. satisfied, the hunter departs. Thanks, I thought it was that. But I wasn't totally sure. I was thinking something of "but then you'd have a Nazi Vampire, and that's bad." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHrlk-USGY
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The FRC is always the go-to as "the mean SPLC is targeting them for being Christians!  " despite the fact that the FRC literally want to put all gay people in jail.Wikipedia posted:In February 2010, Family Research Council's Senior Researcher for Policy Studies, Peter Sprigg, stated on NBC's Hardball that gay behavior should be outlawed and that "criminal sanctions against homosexual behavior" should be enforced.
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whomupclicklike posted:So is the cartoon racist for encouraging gentrification? man i dunno, i'm just explaining TIFs
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What kind of twisted, hosed up mental state do you need to look at SPLC with disdain?
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Kaza42 posted:Nah, it's a bit more subtle (but no less bullshit). The study they site tries to claim that the biological connection between child and parent is more important than anything else. As a lot of children in gay households are (according to the study, no idea about the actual numbers) staying with a gay parent after their heterosexual marriage ended with divorce. Then, when the child asks where babies come from and learn that it takes a man and a woman, their tiny child minds will be OVERWHELMED and they'll decide that something has to be horribly horribly wrong since one of their biological parents is out there somewhere and not here raising them. So it's this cartoon, but serious?
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Let's be honest, compared to most of the crap we see in this thread that one barely registers as "racist". That said, gently caress Allie.
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Ularg posted:What kind of twisted, hosed up mental state do you need to look at SPLC with disdain? Defensive. The SPLC implicitly accuses Bok of being what he is.
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"moral equivalence! moral equivalence!!", i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into a fascist
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The moral equivalence was already a big ol' pile of bullshit, but it is exponentially worse now that we have literal loving Nazis marching in the streets and one of them ran people over with a loving car. But I'm sure all the "here's legislation to make it legal to run over protesters" and "here's how you run over protestors without getting in trouble" poo poo had nothing to do with that latter bit.
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Renaissance Spam posted:So is this a viable strategy? Mirroring Japan's EU trade deal I mean. Not even remotely. Neoliberals have spent 40 years running down UK trade and industry in favour of becoming the services capital of Europe in an attempt to kill the unions. We don't have what Japan wants, and we don't have the capacity to make it. Now we've told the people we've geared our entire economy to deal with to gently caress off on the basis of a marginal result in an advisory referendum held purely so the Tories could quell internal party conflict. We may joke here about Brexit being the worst political move in history if not for Trump, but in truth Trump is only a worse move because he could conceivably destroy the entire world. Beyond that he will be gone in four years or maybe even less. The effect of Brexit will last a generation.
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seiferguy posted:God drat right wing media is full speed ahead on "antifa are the real fascists" aren't they. If by "right-wing media" you mean MSNBC, Bloomberg, Washington Post, and The Atlantic.
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FronzelNeekburm posted:If by "right-wing media" you mean MSNBC, Bloomberg, Washington Post, and The Atlantic. The rear end hole who was getting his rear end kicked pepper sprayed a bunch of protesters as well.
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seiferguy posted:God drat right wing media is full speed ahead on "antifa are the real fascists" aren't they. Antifa just wont stop disrupting The Discourse. I mean, how are news outlets supposed to talk about how dapper Richard Spencer is if he keeps getting punched all the time?
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seiferguy posted:I love that cartoonists somehow think solar and wind power are massive lobbyist groups: have some australian windmill toons      seiferguy posted:Happy Tuesday! 2018: Kelly's European Summer Vacation. A wholesome middle-aged gentleman (DUPED TRAVELERS) stands in front of the Palace of Westminster (BIG BEN) stammering "B-but the B-bells!" while sinister politicians (NASTY) and members of the royal family (REDCOATS) sneer in the distance. Lady Liberty peeks over the top of the building, shedding a single tear. Korner Kelly: "Clock Blocked" Zetsubou-san fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Aug 31, 2017 |
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Trapezium Dave posted:Do they think fascism was left undefined beyond "politics I don't like"? That's how I always see it framed in these arguments, conveniently enough for Nazi sympathizers and their unwitting accomplices.
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FronzelNeekburm posted:If by "right-wing media" you mean MSNBC, Bloomberg, Washington Post, and The Atlantic.
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For some reason, I'm really tempted to make a D&D style 'roll 3d6' chart for these. I'd only have to leave off about thirty, I think. I've only seen one windfarm with credible problems arguably worse than a coal plant, and that was one that was built way too close to people's homes so for about half an hour every day the blades put rhythmic shadows in their houses, which would certainly drive you up the loving wall.
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