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Aurax having a mental breakdown because his brother died made me legitimately sad while the eldritch abomination dragon screaming CUNNY made me burst out laughing
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Amuys posted:Aurax having a mental breakdown because his brother died made me legitimately sad while the eldritch abomination dragon screaming CUNNY made me burst out laughing Even if you're a genetically engineered bioweapon which runs mostly on animal impulses, with a brain crippled from immortality and centuries of brutal experimentation, it must be genuinely shattering to realize that you are the sole remaining member of your entire species.
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Aug 18, 2017 03:23
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Number Ten Cocks posted:Short for the name of the reputedly dead Consult human sorcerer guy. It's not true, though, he changed bodies mid sentence and it's totally implausible he beat five Dunyain rather than five Dunyain used their super intelligence to mimic his body switching talking in order to influence the other Consult by making it seem like they're him, but better. Counterpoint: The Dunyani are actually chumps. Moe cuts out his eyes to get skills he sucks at, big Kel gets meat puppeted by a demon god and little Kel personally ruins his fondest dreams and ends in the Box. . Then there is the survivor who just selfdestructs.
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Aug 18, 2017 09:50
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I mean it starts right in the prologue where Kel gets his rear end handed to him by magic after declaring confidently zhat there is no such thing and doesn't really stop until big Moe gets stabbed by his son because he was confodent that he knew how caisality works.
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Aug 18, 2017 10:03
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genericnick posted:I mean it starts right in the prologue where Kel gets his rear end handed to him by magic Kel gets his rear end handed to him by a twig.
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Aug 18, 2017 10:25
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Mukulu posted:Holy poo poo this makes a lot of sense. If Shae is ... gently caress, has it been three months? If the Mutilated are Shae, I'd bet long odds the Dunyain are still in there in a bunch of places. Maybe they're easy to possess, but they're also a lot less likely to lose their poo poo and give up at being possessed. Hope there's a Mutilated POV. I feel as dumb as somebody who preorders an EA game, but I have hope that the extremely bad ending is due to him deciding to hold a lot of stuff back for the last 2 to 69 books. Seriously. Love the poo poo out of these books. I think there's something in the language shift that happened over the last two books. I think that if this story is a time loop, and fuckin Kellhus just had no plan about what happened if he got salted, I'll ... meh, just not read any more of his books. I mean I suppose I could start making GBS threads all over every thread that even mentioned ... nah. I'll just do other things.
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Aug 20, 2017 10:51
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So the nickname 'Demon' actually had deeper meaning to it?
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Aug 20, 2017 20:18
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Kel gets his rear end handed to him by a twig. This is the moment where I immediately started disliking Kelhuss, my opinion of him just kept dropping from there. His parts of the series are easily the most boring and Achamians by far the most interesting. Achamians chapters flesh out the world while Kelhuss just spouts a bunch of religious philosophy bullshit while everyone around him starts worshipping him like a god.
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Aug 21, 2017 07:22
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Mustang posted:This is the moment where I immediately started disliking Kelhuss, my opinion of him just kept dropping from there. His parts of the series are easily the most boring and Achamians by far the most interesting. Achamians chapters flesh out the world while Kelhuss just spouts a bunch of religious philosophy bullshit while everyone around him starts worshipping him like a god. That's like page 10, why the hell did you even keep reading?
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Aug 21, 2017 10:39
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Strom Cuzewon posted:That's like page 10, why the hell did you even keep reading? you weren't asking me, but I definitely would have stopped reading early on. but my grandfather had died, and I needed to spend several nights caring for my grandmother who was suffering from dementia. I bought all 3 books blindly, based on the cover art, and had nothing else to read or to deal with all the poo poo going on. So yeah, I'm glad my misery got me through the first book. Because I was pretty well and hooked at that point. There were tons of poo poo that I skimmed first time through, I kept wanting Kellhus or Akka chapters, or consult, and kept getting like.. loving nansur politics and poo poo I didn't care about.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:That's like page 10, why the hell did you even keep reading? In all fairness, I can relate. I remember a passage in Dune, when Paul Atreides is realizing the effect his powers have on those around, him making them stop being people and becoming 'creatures' devoted to the idol of him. He is alarmed and saddened by that fact, and in fact, spend the rest of his life trying to counter it to the extent that he can, with mixed success. Kellhus is basically all about turning everyone into his 'creatures', and without exception, everyone becomes WAY less interesting when that happens. It's no accident that Conphas, Cnaiur and Achamian are the only real characters left in the books after a certain point.
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Aug 21, 2017 15:55
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kcroy posted:
The sitcom known as Always Sunny in Momemn is probably the funniest part of the series. Possibly not intentional, but the incestuos Emperor, his slutty mom and dumbass heir are so funny. I am rereading the series right now and the episode on the barge is just plain hilarious.
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That is a crossover I would not have expected Take the plunge! Okay! posted:The sitcom known as Always Sunny in Momemn is probably the funniest part of the series. Possibly not intentional, but the incestuos Emperor, his slutty mom and dumbass heir are so funny. I am rereading the series right now and the episode on the barge is just plain hilarious. It was funny, but I found that the episode "Mo' Mom in Momemn" focusing on the Mom's transgender issues was a bit tonedeaf. kcroy fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Aug 21, 2017 |
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Aug 21, 2017 19:25
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kcroy posted:
Don't remember that one, but I just started the reread.
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Aug 21, 2017 19:34
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Good lord am I sick of reading books of kindle only to find them over at 70% with the rest being a loving glossary. The last quarter of the book I was thinking 'drat this feels like it's almost over I wonder what he's gonna do with all these pages!' Welp.
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Aug 22, 2017 01:48
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:Don't remember that one, but I just started the reread. Nah was just making a joke about the scene where emperor reaches down and grabs his Mom's cock, and is like "wtf", and I was going all Reddit on it about how I can't believe in year xxxx of the Tusk, being a woman with a penis shouldn't be the punchline to some joke! I am literally shaking, etc etc.
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Menstrual Show posted:Good lord am I sick of reading books of kindle only to find them over at 70% with the rest being a loving glossary. yeah every time too. like I'd expect a big rear end appendix with the final book, but its like this in every book of his. At least the intro walk-through was short this time. And this one does contain 2 new stories ( assuming you didn't read them in advance online )
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Aug 22, 2017 02:07
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Actually, in the AMA that Bakker recently did on /r/fantasy, he says that everyone (including his beta readers) missed a huge detail about Shae. This is heavily implied to mean that the Dunsult are actually Shae. Despite what that guy on the last page said, Bakker also went pretty far to describe how the Dunyain are actually kinda spiritually decrepit (see: Moe the Elder and the Psukhe, Kellhus and being possessed by Ajokli since, well, implicitly the Circumfix). After he dropped that reveal and in Zaudunyanicon, where basically 10 of his fans rented out a conference room and talked about the series while getting their books signed, all questions about Shae immediately get responded to with RAFO [read and find out]. Personally, I loving hated TUC and I thought it was a poo poo, poo poo way to end the second series. It basically offers no answers, Mimara and Achamian have no resolution to their story whatsoever, so many characters seem like they were introduced for no reason only to be killed off or have their character arcs aborted, etc... Bakker stated that TUC concludes his original adolescent vision of the series, which he has literally described as the anti-LotR. He has since confirmed the existence of The No-God as the name of the third and final series. He also stated that the first book revolves around Crabicus [the Dunyain survivor] somewhere on one of the like... three forums that discuss his books. TUC was a poo poo ending to the series for me, because god knows if any publisher will pick him up after the steaming pile of unedited crap that were TGO and TUC, but beyond that, a lot of his answers in the AMA basically amounted to trolling his readers. That killed a lot of my love for TSA. Which was unhealthy. I was into it like Shae is into Aurang.
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Have to agree with you, Tosk. To me, it feels like the 2nd trilogy is basically stretching the good ideas from the first (Like too little butter over a fuckton of bread, to paraphrase Tolkien) in order to get a larger series out of it once it became famous. gently caress, do I miss the age when authors were able weave a good world and a compelling saga into a mere three books. Hell, even one! Somewhere in the 1990s, the standard size of a fantasy story became 'whole bookshelf'. I'd blame Frank Herbert, but at least each Dune book was somewhat self-contained, while God help you if you pick up, say, 'White-Luck Warrior' and try to read it out of the blue. So who is left? Robert Jordan? GRRM?
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Aug 31, 2017 23:47
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It's what publishers demand now. When Steven Erikson eventually got the first Malazan book published it was only under the condition that he write another nine
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Sep 1, 2017 00:29
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Yeah, that makes sense. Everything has to be a franchise now, and not just in the movie world.
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Capitalism is stupid.
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Tosk posted:Actually, in the AMA that Bakker recently did on /r/fantasy, he says that everyone (including his beta readers) missed a huge detail about Shae. This is heavily implied to mean that the Dunsult are actually Shae. Despite what that guy on the last page said, Bakker also went pretty far to describe how the Dunyain are actually kinda spiritually decrepit (see: Moe the Elder and the Psukhe, Kellhus and being possessed by Ajokli since, well, implicitly the Circumfix). After he dropped that reveal and in Zaudunyanicon, where basically 10 of his fans rented out a conference room and talked about the series while getting their books signed, all questions about Shae immediately get responded to with RAFO [read and find out]. At least one of the Dunyain is able to use magic and given the very low probability of anyone being one of the Few and the number of Dunyains, I would say you have a point there
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I just finished. It was pretty cool. I especially liked the emphasis on everyone is going to hell. What the gently caress is Shae tho? sounds familiar.
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Nevvy Z posted:I just finished. It was pretty cool. I especially liked the emphasis on everyone is going to hell. Shaeonanra, head of the consult.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Shaeonanra, head of the consult. I think I was thinking of GRRMs whore character and then I kept trying to remember if Esmi had a friend or something. I enjoy these books but they can be hella confusing as far as what the gently caress with the Outside.
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Cardiac posted:At least one of the Dunyain is able to use magic and given the very low probability of anyone being one of the Few and the number of Dunyains, I would say you have a point there Was it magic or super duper advanced technology?
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Mukulu posted:Was it magic or super duper advanced technology? It is described as the nonMan version of the Gnostic floating light, which makes sense.
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Cardiac posted:It is described as the nonMan version of the Gnostic floating light, which makes sense. But at the same time, Kellhus is one of the Few, as was his dad, at least one of Kellhus's kids is. Based on the sample size the chances of any given Dunyain being able to learn magic is pretty high. One thing that bugs the hell out of me: Sorweel's freaking out over Serwa and Moënghus's boning. He paints incest as some sort of huge taboo, but in a pseudo-medieval world with kings and emperors and heritable royalty there's going to be a bunch of incest anyway. And in addition to that, Serwa and Moënghus aren't blood-related at all. Serwa's Kellhus+Esmenet, Moënghus is Cnaiür+Serwe, and Sorweel knows this, so where's the incest?
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Phanatic posted:But at the same time, Kellhus is one of the Few, as was his dad, at least one of Kellhus's kids is. Based on the sample size the chances of any given Dunyain being able to learn magic is pretty high. As for being one of the Few, that is obviously a plot device, so why not. As for the incest (is this the bad thread?), I imagine the anasurimbors have kept it in the family. We know Inrilatas used to rape Theliopa, so there is that.
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Cardiac posted:As for being one of the Few, that is obviously a plot device, so why not. Missed it the first time around, but the Survivor is also one of the few, because he sees the Mark when the Erratics attack Ishual. So it's probable that the Dunyain have inbred the ability to be a sorceror into their entire line.
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Wasn't Maithanet one of the Few, though untrained? I may be making up a memory of him saying Kellhus withholds training from him?
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Maithanet was. When he's announcing the crusade he sees Achamian's Mark. So that's Moenghus, both of his kids (that we know about), and at least two of Kellhus's kids, including the one that was full-blood Dunyain and one that wasn't. That's way more than you'd expect by pure chance, given the rarity of the Few generally.
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He also said kelmomas was one of the few in a Q&A somewhere.
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It's cool how even the few big fans for bakker quit editing any of the wikis about it all around WLW.
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papa horny michael posted:It's cool how even the few big fans for bakker quit editing any of the wikis about it all around WLW. I doubt anyone but Bakker himself could really work out all the arcane, bizarre poo poo that enters play at that point.
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Phanatic posted:Maithanet was. When he's announcing the crusade he sees Achamian's Mark. So that's Moenghus, both of his kids (that we know about), and at least two of Kellhus's kids, including the one that was full-blood Dunyain and one that wasn't. The Dunyain higher ups have probably forgot to mention a few things to the average Dunyain.
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Mukulu posted:The Dunyain higher ups have probably forgot to mention a few things to the average Dunyain. So far the impression of the Dunyain is of an egalitarian society (if you are a male, not mentally disabled and dunyain ofc), and I can't remember any occasions of them having leaders. Trainers for the youth, but there are not many descriptions of specialisation.
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Cardiac posted:So far the impression of the Dunyain is of an egalitarian society (if you are a male, not mentally disabled and dunyain ofc), and I can't remember any occasions of them having leaders. Nah they have leaders, the Pragma.
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