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The TUE list is pointless because those are the people that are more than likely following the rules. I don't know about Tevez and Heinze (it is kind of shady that two players for the same country are exempted for using the same substance), but Gomez probably had a legitimate medical condition that required treatment. You're not going to become Wolverine by using a loving inhaler. I think the jury is still out on dexamethosone. There's more evidence backing predinisone increasing performance, but that sample size is small. I've also seen what long-term prednisone use can do to someone and the risks definitely outweigh whatever benefit, if any, Nelsen would have gotten. The fact that you can get an exemption for any glucocorticoid (which is what both dexamethasone and prednisone are) instead of them being outright banned is indicative of how little they affect the integrity of a competition. My understanding of why WADA restricted them in the first place was as a means of ensuring the long-term safety and health of athletes rather than concerns over cheating.
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GutBomb posted:If you're training to hard inflammation occurs then I don't really see what's wrong with treating it. Doping is very unhealthy and bad for your body and it's immoral and illegal to force players who otherwise would not dope to sacrifice their health in order to keep up with players who are doping.
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These bear fools should find out about the forbidden Spanish blood bank.
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Jose posted:football has enough problems with players dying on the pitch already I wish this wasn't true but google brings more than one issue.
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vyelkin posted:Doping is very unhealthy and bad for your body and it's immoral and illegal to force players who otherwise would not dope to sacrifice their health in order to keep up with players who are doping. This is a good point and I hadn't thought of the people that perhaps aren't interested in doping. Kick gutbomb out of football
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We expect players to train so hard that many suffer lifelong injuries. Why shouldn't they also take drugs so they can kick a ball harder
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Vinestalk posted:The TUE list is pointless because those are the people that are more than likely following the rules. Its all a loving sham and teams shouldn't be able to employ doctors or medical staff at all, players should be treated by independent doctors with no financial ties to the team or sport.
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Vinestalk posted:My understanding of why WADA restricted them in the first place was as a means of ensuring the long-term safety and health of athletes rather than concerns over cheating. I thought the restrictions on them was about them being used as masking agents for other, banned drugs and/or the metabolites of the restricted drugs being very similar to the metabolites of the banned ones so throwing off the tests, but I'm not sure if that's the case.
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African AIDS cum posted:Its all a loving sham and teams shouldn't be able to employ doctors or medical staff at all, players should be treated by independent doctors with no financial ties to the team or sport. This is an extremely correct post
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How the hell would you find an "independent" doctor and keep them that way
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GutBomb posted:Those really are all just therapeutic drugs though. When I had tendinitis I had the same corticosteroid and it just helps inflammation heal faster. It really seems like much ado about nothing. I guess aside from the few uses of coke and E but those are obviously recreational and wouldn't have any positive effect on performance. You do not use dexamethasone for tooth ache lmao I mean at higher intravenous doses it has pain modulating effects but a dumb rear end sports doctor isn't thinking about that
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A competent, independent, doctor paid a cool 7 to 8 figgies (preferably someone who is a regular on the world's most troll free forums football section) would throw a ton of these tue's out. I've had a look at loads of the fancy bears leaks and the indications get laughed at by actual specialist's. For example you do not use triamcinolone for adult asthma, a poo poo load of athletes are on it for that though.
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Vegetable posted:How the hell would you find an "independent" doctor and keep them that way Have clubs hire doctors for their rivals
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Blue Star Error posted:Have clubs hire doctors for their rivals I can only imagine the club that got their doctors hired by Arsenal would end up with Michelle Ferrari and his team after Arsenal use their usual medical competence to try and sabotage the recipients
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Arsenal would end up with Dr Mengele. and it would be an improvement
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JFairfax posted:Arsenal would end up with Dr Mengele. They would get the dodgy looking dude in the locker room at Jon Jones' power lifting gym
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Byolante posted:They would get the dodgy looking dude in the locker room at Jon Jones' power lifting gym You know how you can deadlift 200lbs more, just magic
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African AIDS cum posted:Its all a loving sham and teams shouldn't be able to employ doctors or medical staff at all, players should be treated by independent doctors with no financial ties to the team or sport. Agreed wholeheartedly. goddamnedtwisto posted:I thought the restrictions on them was about them being used as masking agents for other, banned drugs and/or the metabolites of the restricted drugs being very similar to the metabolites of the banned ones so throwing off the tests, but I'm not sure if that's the case. You could be right. I would be surprised if those are successful masking agents in the world of readily available mass-spec and increasingly sensitive/precise analyzers, but I honestly don't enough about the biochem of masking agents or current PEDs. I do know that we've progressed a long way from liquid chromatography testing which has a history of being not really accurate and struggling with metabolites/compounds of similar characteristics. Loving Africa Chaps posted:A competent, independent, doctor paid a cool 7 to 8 figgies (preferably someone who is a regular on the world's most troll free forums football section) would throw a ton of these tue's out. loving  I should read the leaks, I guess. I thought the TUEs would be pretty innocent.
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Also thorns to the Fancy Bears on this for leaking what is actually strictly confidential and personal protected health information of fellow human beings. What if someone had a therapeutic exemption for mental health medications?
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JFairfax posted:Arsenal would end up with Dr Mengele. That's one way to peg back those pesky Spurs.
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:Also thorns to the Fancy Bears on this for leaking what is actually strictly confidential and personal protected health information of fellow human beings. What if someone had a therapeutic exemption for mental health medications? Going out on a limb here but my guess is that Russian hackers don't give a gently caress.
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Does the "Therapeutic Medical Exception" cover the IV drip/escort service that Nasri was busted for using?
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BrigadierSensible posted:Does the "Therapeutic Medical Exception" cover the IV drip/escort service that Nasri was busted for using? No because he would have needed to get the TUE before he got the rub and tug
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https://twitter.com/maddie_m_lee/status/900871320568811520 I'm surprised this is illegal in Mormon country
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It's okay if you're not brown
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brocked posted:It's okay if you're not brown im not
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trem_two posted:https://twitter.com/maddie_m_lee/status/900871320568811520 Gotta marry them first. Thems the rules.
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in most top flight leagues you wouldn't expect a first team professional footballer to get so drunk three weeks into the season that he falls in a river and nearly dies but that's the magic of the SPL http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-41071609
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https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/xavi-wins-1-million-qatar-riyals-lotteryquote:Reacting to the prize that definitely isn't a marketing ploy with quotes that are definitely from him, the midfielder said: “Winning the cash prize was an unexpected but welcome surprise.
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The real crime are those jean shorts Xavi is wearing while receiving that giant cheque.
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Sep 1, 2017 07:10
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Actually jorts are the perfect clothes for skipping around a slave state in.
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http://www.football365.com/news/rooney-arrested-on-suspicion-of-drink-driving-report Wazza's getting done for drink driving
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Drunk driving > Drink driving, so far as descriptors go Unless he was drinking while driving, then I can be persuaded
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peanut- posted:http://www.football365.com/news/rooney-arrested-on-suspicion-of-drink-driving-report In a VW Beetle to add insult to injury.
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lolllll imagine being a literal centimillionaire and driving yourself around drunk in a VW beetle just imagine
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It was the nice office girl he was trying to bang's car
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TheBigAristotle posted:It was the nice office girl he was trying to bang's car More like the tea lady knowing Rooney
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:lolllll imagine being a literal centimillionaire and driving yourself around drunk in a VW beetle just imagine Living the dream
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