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Action Jacktion posted:It was weird watching Dalek Invasion of Earth and seeing Mr. Rumbold as a post-apocalyptic freedom fighter. THE OLD-ER DALEK SU-PREME DOES NOT GET OUT AS MUCH
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Wheat Loaf posted:I've just reached the point in The Saint where he started writing scripts for them. They are the dictionary definition of "run of the mill The Saint episodes" with an addendum of "I'm just here for Roger Moore, anyway". Most of the ITC shows you just watch for the lead being charismatic. It's Moore in The Saint, Wyngarde in Department S and Jason King etc. I have The Champions dvd sitting unwatched and I'll be interested to see who it is for them. Sorry to disappoint you about The Champions, but while William Gaunt is indeed the best thing about it, it's not a high bar. It's another ITC show with a good basic premise that they pissed away by handing scripting duties to their usual squad of hacks (not in the good sense this time).
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Payndz posted:Wasn't Wyngarde considered for the Third Doctor? (He made it onto Who in 'Planet of Fire', and apparently was almost as big a diva as he was on Department S and Jason King.) I don't think there's ever been any indication that he was considered (he went straight into Jason King after Department S finished and I doubt the BBC in 1970 would've been able to pay as well as I imagine Lew Grade could); it's more of a "That would've been great  " for me.Which ITC show do you think holds up the best?
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Wheat Loaf posted:I don't think there's ever been any indication that he was considered (he went straight into Jason King after Department S finished and I doubt the BBC in 1970 would've been able to pay as well as I imagine Lew Grade could); it's more of a "That would've been great drat, that sounds cynical. And I used to love these kinds of shows because they were easy escapism. 
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I didn't realise The Prisoner was ITC. I thought it was the one McGoohan wanted to do but Grade wasn't interested in so he took it somewhere else. Obviously I'm mistaken. Of course Department S has that one really, really good episode where Anthony Hopkins - right near the start of his screen career - is the guest star. Peter Wyngarde as the Third Doctor opposite Anthony Hopkins as the Master would've been something to see. None of them hold a candle to The Avengers which is obviously what they all wanted to be. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Aug 31, 2017 |
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Aug 31, 2017 23:00
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*checks thread excitedly* oh boy oh boy is it next season yet no? gently caress
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Wheat Loaf posted:I didn't realise The Prisoner was ITC. I thought it was the one McGoohan wanted to do but Grade wasn't interested in so he took it somewhere else. Obviously I'm mistaken. Ironically, The Avengers wasn't an ITC show even though everyone thinks it was (and ITC wished it had been).
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Payndz posted:The Prisoner got made pretty much because after Danger Man, Lew Grade would have given Patrick McGoohan the freedom and money to do anything he wanted, even crapping in a hat and televising it. It always cracks me up that McGoohan was one of the guys Albert Broccoli really wanted to play James Bond when Sean Connery quit, but said no because James Bond was "too promiscuous" for his liking. I know McGoohan was a devout Catholic and everything, but still... "Too promiscuous". I don't know. It makes me smile.
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Chokes McGee posted:*checks thread excitedly* oh boy oh boy is it next season yet This is the Doctor Who thread, man. It's only next season like four months out of every two years. 
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Bicyclops posted:This is the Doctor Who thread, man. It's only next season like four months out of every two years. I JUST WANT THE EXPLOITS OF A LADY DOCTOR IS THAT SO MUCH TO ASK :mad
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Chokes McGee posted:I JUST WANT THE EXPLOITS OF A LADY DOCTOR IS THAT SO MUCH TO ASK :mad Well, *pushing down one of the digits of the monkey's paw,* let me tell you about this story from Big Finish's Unbound line...
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Bicyclops posted:Well, *pushing down one of the digits of the monkey's paw,* let me tell you about this story from Big Finish's Unbound line... oh no what have I done
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That wasn't the worst story Big Finish has done...but I think it was my least favorite of the Unbound line.
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Chokes McGee posted:oh no what have I done https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-pyWQSAbC8
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Wheat Loaf posted:It always cracks me up that McGoohan was one of the guys Albert Broccoli really wanted to play James Bond when Sean Connery quit, but said no because James Bond was "too promiscuous" for his liking. I know McGoohan was a devout Catholic and everything, but still... "Too promiscuous". I don't know. It makes me smile. There was a great joke Roger Moore told once about back when he was on The Saint. He claimed a friend of him asked if he, Sean Connery and Patrick McGoohan ever got together for a night on the town. Moore assured him they did. "Pussy Galore?" asked the friend. "Well we don't go looking for it..." replied Moore.
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jivjov posted:That wasn't the worst story Big Finish has done...but I think it was my least favorite of the Unbound line. Pretty sure the worst is between Nekromanteia and Creed of the Kromon, but yeah, that one's in the top ten at least.
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I thought the worst was supposed to be between The Stones Of Venice and Loups-Garoux...
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Nekromanteia is utter dogshit. I normally say people should listen to stuff and come to their own conclusions, but in this case I can only recommend that people avoid it at all costs.
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Stones of Venice is just boring, the two I listed are just nasty pieces of poo poo. Loups Garoux was fine, I thought. Unremarkable but not terrible.
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Sep 1, 2017 13:09
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"Loups-Garoux" nor "Stones of Venice" are at worst unremarkable. Neither of them ends - as "Nekromanteia" does - with a character who at least attempts to rape one of the Doctor's companions getting the happiest ending. Nasty, nasty story.
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Fil5000 posted:Pretty sure the worst is between Nekromanteia and Creed of the Kromon, but yeah, that one's in the top ten at least. I think Nekromanteia is probably the worst, but Creed definitely gives it a run for its money. I'd put that one Unbound story as third worst, if we're not counting Iris Wildthyme.
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Nekro is bad because it's "I AM GOING TO WRITE GRIM AND EDGY DOCTOR WHO" bad, and everyone in it is hateful. Creed is bad because it's Philip Martin's skeevy body horror wank fantasy. The one thing it has going for it is he didn't put loving Sil in it.
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There's also Minuet In Hell, but that's just bad in the "how the gently caress did this even get made" sense rather than being actively unpleasant like Nekromanteia and Creed.
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Minuet in Hell is a trainwreck, but it's almost worth listening to for the hilariously long sequence of obvious padding in which the Brig reads his notes aloud as he types them, obviously looking very slowly for each key on his typewriter.It's unintentionally funny a lot of the time, even if it's badly created in terms of accomplishing its goals as a story. Exile and (most of) Iris Wildthyme have a very different problem: they're trying to be funny, and they are trying so hard that they punctuate every joke by winking at the audience, playing a rimshot, and then saying the joke again, just to make sure that you heard it. Then they make that same joke, again, just as loudly and with just as much fanfare. Most of the jokes in Exile are people burping and vomiting and they guzzle beer, because apparently Nick Briggs has absolutely no concept of what drinking alcohol or being drunk is like, so it's probably worse than most of Wildthyme, because at least Katy Manning can pull off "perpetually sloshed and being weird about hitting on everyone," even if the writing is obnoxious about reminding us every second about who she is.
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Minuet is hilarious on many levels. I mean yeah, it's BAD, but it's Neil Breen bad. Someone's tried to make a fun Doctor Who story and it's hampered by both being badly written and set in America, and no one in the production sounds even vaguely american. Even the canadian guy doesn't sound close. Also, it's just occurred to me that Kromon and Nekro are both so bad they caused me to forget all of Joe Lidster's poo poo garbage for idiots.
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Fil5000 posted:Minuet is hilarious on many levels. I mean yeah, it's BAD, but it's Neil Breen bad. Someone's tried to make a fun Doctor Who story and it's hampered by both being badly written and set in America, and no one in the production sounds even vaguely american. Even the canadian guy doesn't sound close. Yeah, Minuet is kind of the platonic ideal of "so bad it's good" among Doctor Who media. Lidster's stuff frustrates me because he's very nearly capable of telling a good story and then he fucks it all up with a SHOCK HORROR reveal of something immensely stupid and unpleasant. (I kinda liked his Tegan and Five story, though)
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docbeard posted:Yeah, Minuet is kind of the platonic ideal of "so bad it's good" among Doctor Who media. The Rapture is poo poo but it's early on so I can just about forgive it, Master is poo poo and does the stupid "shock reveal that never affects anything again ever" trick, Terror Firma is awful and does it again, The Reaping and The Gathering I've never heard, and his contribution to 100 was mean spirited nasty poo poo. I've heard people say that outside of Who he's better, but I've no interest in finding out.
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"Minuet" has Foghorn Leghorn as a supporting character. It's like The Room of Big Finish. It also has the bit at the end where Foghorn Leghorn's spinster assistant (?) rants about how envious she is of younger women "with their small butts!" which sounds like it actually is a line from The Room. I thought "Master" was actually pretty good right up until the patented Joe Lidster angsty twist at the end. I think, on the whole, it's maybe slightly better than "Omega". ("Davros" is obviously leaps and bounds better than both of them from that trilogy.)
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Wheat Loaf posted:("Davros" is obviously leaps and bounds better than both of them from that trilogy.) The opening monologue to Davros is one of my favorite things Big Finish has ever done.
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Wheat Loaf posted:"Minuet" has Foghorn Leghorn as a supporting character. It's like The Room of Big Finish. It also has the bit at the end where Foghorn Leghorn's spinster assistant (?) rants about how envious she is of younger women "with their small butts!" which sounds like it actually is a line from The Room. Nah, because Master decided it needed to tell the definitive story of the Doctor and the Master's childhood friendship, which everyone else had been smart enough to only ever touch on lightly. Even before the dumb twist it was bad. And the last two parts are just endless yelling. Omega does similar revisionism but at least it's part of Big Finish's overarching "Rassilon was a total fuckhole" thing.
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FreezingInferno posted:I thought the worst was supposed to be between The Stones Of Venice and Loups-Garoux... No one seems to have picked up that Minuet in Hell is the release which is between The Stones of Venice and Loups-Garoux.
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Bicyclops posted:Minuet in Hell is a trainwreck, but it's almost worth listening to for the hilariously long sequence of obvious padding in which the Brig reads his notes aloud as he types them, obviously looking very slowly for each key on his typewriter.It's unintentionally funny a lot of the time, even if it's badly created in terms of accomplishing its goals as a story. are there actually good iris wildthyme stories? i find that hard to believe
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corn in the bible posted:are there actually good iris wildthyme stories? i find that hard to believe There's a scorchies one with her I like.
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corn in the bible posted:are there actually good iris wildthyme stories? i find that hard to believe There's a Companion Chronicles story with her and Jo in which Jo has been convinced that she made up the Doctor and Iris comes to help her out. That one is decent.
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The Wormery is pretty good as well. Also, just finished listening to the Haunting of Thomas Brewster, and cannot get the awful incidental music out of my head. Cheers Big FInish.
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Payndz posted:Sorry to disappoint you about The Champions, but while William Gaunt is indeed the best thing about it, it's not a high bar. It's another ITC show with a good basic premise that they pissed away by handing scripting duties to their usual squad of hacks (not in the good sense this time). Oh, man, I just put this in and the main menu screen plays the loving music Chris Evans uses on his morning show aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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BSam posted:No one seems to have picked up that Minuet in Hell is the release which is between The Stones of Venice and Loups-Garoux. Yeah, I was waiting for a  that never came. I've been at work dealing with crises, so couldn't add one myself.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Oh, man, I just put this in and the main menu screen plays the loving music Chris Evans uses on his morning show aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa WhT did he use for TFI Friday? I remember the Captain Scarlet sting and the theme for Man in a Suitcase.
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The_Doctor posted:WhT did he use for TFI Friday? I remember the Captain Scarlet sting and the theme for Man in a Suitcase. I think TFI Friday was just Man In a Suitcase. Here is the Champions theme. I am never going to be able to hear that opening trill without imagining a bespectacled ginger gurning about his listeners sending in their "smug alerts" first thing in the morning. Nobody ever uses the best TV theme of the 70s. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Sep 1, 2017 |
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Bicyclops posted:The Dalek Invasion of Earth hasn't really aged well. It feels like it was probably exciting because of Daleks being filmed actually on location in London, but it tries to recapture a lot of the magic of The Daleks. There are things about it I love, like the Doctor just saying "I think we should pit our wits against theirs and defeat them," like that's a whole plan, out of the side of his mouth, and of course his speech at the end to Susan is wonderful. It's also a turning point for the character, because it's presented as purely selfless. Overall, though, it's just too long, the Robomen don't really work for me, and I'm not extremely interested in the rebels. I respectfully disagree; I think the story has a great deal of scope, and in particular unlike later alien invasion stories it doesn't have the survivors neatly split into rebels and collaborators.
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