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ReidRansom
Oct 25, 2004


Say Nothing posted:

It's not Chad taking all the women.



More like cucker spaniel

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PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

👁️🔥👁️👁️👁️BE NOT👄AFRAID👁️👁️👁️🔥👁️

hyphz posted:

They won't, as that doesn't work. They will give you drugs. That's kinda disturbing to some people, incel and otherwise.

Talk therapy can help even for clinical depression! And more specifically, there are certain non-medication therapies that are specifically used to help people break out of toxic thought patterns, like DBT. But you have to actually put the effort in.

A lot of people with depression do both talk therapy and medication.

Apollodorus
Feb 13, 2010

TEST YOUR MIGHT
:patriot:

Guy Mann posted:

Cucked by Mother Nature with the Chad Father Time

This line is very satisfying from a metrical* standpoint. You're quite the poet.


*metricel

LanceHunter
Nov 12, 2016

Beautiful People Club


drat, of all things this video on the Transformers movies kinda gets to the heart of the ways movies can reinforce the kind of toxic worldview that incels have. Like, Michael Bay has probably influenced these guys at least as much as porn has. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNkTeHpHj_I

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

👁️🔥👁️👁️👁️BE NOT👄AFRAID👁️👁️👁️🔥👁️

#NotMyTransformers

EDIT: For real though, I've only seen the first Bayverse film but I remember Mikaela getting treated really weirdly in it and then... she and Sam have... sex inside of Bumblebee? Does that count as a three-way? It should but the narrative doesn't treat at such because bumblebee is literally just a vehicle to getting Sam off.

PetraCore fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Sep 1, 2017

NO FUCK YOU DAD
Oct 23, 2008

hyphz posted:

They won't, as that doesn't work. They will give you drugs. That's kinda disturbing to some people, incel and otherwise.
The hell it doesn't. 99% of the problem for 99% of them is locking themselves away with a cult of equally depressed guys who reinforce what their depression is telling them and punish any dissent. They don't have some mutant strain of brokebrains as yet unknown to science, and you could fix most of them by unplugging Reddit for a month.

LanceHunter
Nov 12, 2016

Beautiful People Club


PetraCore posted:

#NotMyTransformers

EDIT: For real though, I've only seen the first Bayverse film but I remember Mikaela getting treated really weirdly in it and then... she and Sam have... sex inside of Bumblebee? Does that count as a three-way? It should but the narrative doesn't treat at such because bumblebee is literally just a vehicle to getting Sam off.

Funny enough, I have a whole other semi-pretentious piece of critical analysis talking about that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04zaTjuV60A - Like, according to the actual story of the first Transformers, Mikaela was one of the smartest, most capable humans there was. However, the way the film was shot basically turned her into a piece of cheesecake.

But yea, maybe we're just unlucky to live in an era where one of the most popular, stylistically skilled directors appears to be a massive misanthrope who actively hates his own audience (if not all of humanity), and that those negative images and ideas thrown into our pop culture can end up concentrating in lovely little internet tide-pools like r/incels.

LanceHunter fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Sep 1, 2017

iloin siitin
Jul 23, 2017

sincx posted:

Be careful getting close to the poop, but this was actually pretty funny:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/6skzz7/rincels_drops_the_ultimate_blackpill_and_its/

But who would actually date/gently caress the type of crazy person who gets turned on by serial killers etc. (assuming even a one-night stand will turn into a stalker for life)? Besides Really Desperate People without any self-respect such as incels

iloin siitin fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Sep 1, 2017

Significant Ant
Jun 14, 2017

by R. Guyovich

BrigadierSensible posted:

One of the more terrible things about incels is they way they are so close to realising what is wrong about the way they act and think, but they resist and actively fight against any sort of change or positive action.

A lot of them need therapy.

Significant Ant fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Sep 1, 2017

green chicken feet
Nov 5, 2015

spray-paint the vegetables
dog food stalls
with the beefcake pantyhose
Grimey Drawer

sincx posted:

Be careful getting close to the poop, but this was actually pretty funny:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/6skzz7/rincels_drops_the_ultimate_blackpill_and_its/

People on replying to this image are freaking out like it proves something, but assuming the image isn't doctored, all it proves is that a few women are crazy, stupid, and/or evil. A few. Not all. This "atomic blackpill" isn't effective for someone viewing it with a critical eye. It's only effective for someone who wanted a reason to believe women are that way and don't care how flimsy it is.

This nonsense happens in reverse right here on this forum. How many times has a picture of a good-looking teacher (a woman) accused of statutory rape been posted here and the thread gets comments about how hot she is, the kids not really being victims because the sex was voluntary, etc.

green chicken feet
Nov 5, 2015

spray-paint the vegetables
dog food stalls
with the beefcake pantyhose
Grimey Drawer

iloin siitin posted:

But who would actually date/gently caress the type of crazy person who gets turned on by serial killers etc. (assuming even a one-night stand will turn into a stalker for life)? Besides Really Desperate People without any self-respect such as incels

Some idiot guys would date them because the girls are physically attractive, just like some idiot girls would date this fictional rapist because he has a model's looks. Short-sighted people overlook long-term consequences. But most people have more sense than that.

Sand Dan
May 15, 2017

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iloin siitin posted:

But who would actually date/gently caress the type of crazy person who gets turned on by serial killers etc. (assuming even a one-night stand will turn into a stalker for life)? Besides Really Desperate People without any self-respect such as incels

Hybristophilia is totally a thing, also Borderline Personality Disorder. Fellas, there's a lady for you out there somewhere. ;)

Laopooh
Jul 15, 2000


lmaoooo zybourne clock will never not be hilarious

Fartbox
Apr 27, 2017
What's happening? Dri fu an only two? what is this?
Is this an avatar? I don't know rm dunk

Significant Ant posted:

A lot of them need a bullet in the brain.

hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

Also you're a skeleton warrior now. Kree.
Unlockable Ben

NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:

The hell it doesn't. 99% of the problem for 99% of them is locking themselves away with a cult of equally depressed guys who reinforce what their depression is telling them and punish any dissent. They don't have some mutant strain of brokebrains as yet unknown to science, and you could fix most of them by unplugging Reddit for a month.

It's not that it's a strain unknown to science, it's that you won't get them to unplug Reddit just by telling them to, and you aren't about to section them for this unless they've actually started stockpiling ammo. It's a very common fallacy to think that every mentally-ill person somehow has a spare, not mentally ill, section of their brain reserved for thinking about how to deal with the mental illness - and it's dangerously wrong. Also, talking therapy is slow and expensive. Certainly in the UK there's a very strong tendency for mention of depression to result in your doctor tossing you a low dose SSRI and leaving it at that, because it's much more likely to work for less investment.

My Linux Rig
Mar 27, 2010
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:

The hell it doesn't. 99% of the problem for 99% of them is locking themselves away with a cult of equally depressed guys who reinforce what their depression is telling them and punish any dissent. They don't have some mutant strain of brokebrains as yet unknown to science, and you could fix most of them by unplugging Reddit for a month.

almost makes you wonder how ethical it is for Reddit as a company to host communities like this that would encourage such obviously harmful poo poo

hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

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My Linux Rig posted:

almost makes you wonder how ethical it is for Reddit as a company to host communities like this that would encourage such obviously harmful poo poo

It was Usenet before that. There used to be a genuinely helpful incel group on myonlineplace where this hateful stuff would get you banned.. but it ran out of funding. :(

Popularity sells. Heck, there's actual porn sites revolving around videos of women talking to the camera about how "they can gently caress any man they like while you are paying money to jack off to them and hear them taunt you". Those should probably be banned first, after all, they make money directly from that.

hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

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Unlockable Ben
Also, just for side relevance, here's a news story about another incel who went psycho, even though he was a gorilla. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2745471/Damian-Aspinall-raised-gorillas-Kent-zoo-killed-returned-jungle.html

quote:

While another silverback living nearby heads a very big family of 26, including several wives, Boumanga has no mates or offspring. This is highly unusual, given that neighbouring males usually divide the females among themselves and seldom live without mates.

Aspinall says his team were aware of this well before the attacks, but never imagined he might pose a threat. They simply assumed Boumanga was a harmless oddball who couldn’t attract females, while the male with the huge harem was a veritable super-stud by comparison.

The one thing he might try to do was steal one or two of the Kent females as his ‘wives’, ran their thinking. If he did it would be no bad thing, for it would help to diversify the gene pool among the gorillas in the reserve, thus making in-breeding less likely.

It now seems evident that the brooding loner had more malevolent intentions — though, as Aspinall reflects darkly, ‘hindsight is a wonderful thing’.

As gorillas are habitually placid and good-natured, and it is virtually unheard of for males to kill adult females, he says Boumanga may have been ‘deranged’ by his traumatic early experiences in captivity and grown into what humans would regard as a pathological serial killer.

Tolkien minority
Feb 14, 2012


hyphz posted:

Also, just for side relevance, here's a news story about another incel who went psycho, even though he was a gorilla. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2745471/Damian-Aspinall-raised-gorillas-Kent-zoo-killed-returned-jungle.html

they never should of let that gorilla post on reddit

Benny Harvey
Nov 24, 2012

hyphz posted:

It was Usenet before that. There used to be a genuinely helpful incel group on myonlineplace where this hateful stuff would get you banned.. but it ran out of funding. :(

Popularity sells. Heck, there's actual porn sites revolving around videos of women talking to the camera about how "they can gently caress any man they like while you are paying money to jack off to them and hear them taunt you". Those should probably be banned first, after all, they make money directly from that.

Why should they be banned? I don't think there's anything wrong with guys getting off on being dominated.

If anything, findom should be banned. Imo, dominance/submission is best left in a cordoned-off section of your life.

hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

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Unlockable Ben

Benny Harvey posted:

Why should they be banned? I don't think there's anything wrong with guys getting off on being dominated.

It's pretty obvious that those clips are targeting Reddit style incels and confirming their mindset, though.

Fartbox
Apr 27, 2017
What's happening? Dri fu an only two? what is this?
Is this an avatar? I don't know rm dunk

Just shoot them with bullets

Benny Harvey
Nov 24, 2012

hyphz posted:

It's pretty obvious that those clips are targeting Reddit style incels and confirming their mindset, though.

I doubt it. I don't think incels actually enjoy feeling humiliated.

i like that
May 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

hyphz posted:

It's pretty obvious that those clips are targeting Reddit style incels and confirming their mindset, though.

You were the guy who made 10 posts about car salesmen weren't you?

hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

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Unlockable Ben
Well, yes, but the point was meant to be that amateur psychologists unwittingly encourage the development of these warped mindsets, by trying to offer a "motivational" alternative that is just as false and leads to damaging expectations and projections about control.

i like that
May 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

hyphz posted:

Well, yes, but the point was meant to be that amateur psychologists unwittingly encourage the development of these warped mindsets, by trying to offer a "motivational" alternative that is just as false and leads to damaging expectations and projections about control.
You believe therapy doesn't help, prescribing "drugs" (medication) is disturbing, and femdom porn should be banned for being more harmful vs all the misogynistic 'meatholes' porn for some reason I can't figure out.....

doverhog
May 31, 2013

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hyphz posted:

It's pretty obvious that those clips are targeting Reddit style incels and confirming their mindset, though.

This seems like a weird leap to make and it's not at all obvious.

Sleepless Dreamer
Jun 5, 2008

it's my calling to tell nerd :roboluv:ers how to :roboluv: properly
Incel views on sex are especially shocking for me because I was convinced when I was a kid that without a girlfriend and sexual experience I was less than a man. By the time I was 12, I was convinced I needed to prove to the world I was straight by having sexual experiences that I assumed everyone had already had.

But that stems from the fact that I was sexually abused when I was around 3 years old, and that I was bisexual which made me assume the abuse had broken me and I needed to have sex to fix myself.

And that's what shocks me with these guys, they have the maturity of a kid who had one of his earliest memory be one of abuse dealing with not being clearly straight in the late 80s early 90s. All of the hate they have for Chads I felt it for "normal" people. And even with that I managed to have girlfriends and a "boyfriend" in high school, eventually becoming a better person.

But I'm probably a coping normy...

Captain Yossarian
Feb 24, 2011

All new" Rings of Fire"
Please stop serious posting to and about forums sad sack Benny Harvey Tia

hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

Also you're a skeleton warrior now. Kree.
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i like that posted:

You believe therapy doesn't help, prescribing "drugs" (medication) is disturbing, and femdom porn should be banned for being more harmful vs all the misogynistic 'meatholes' porn for some reason I can't figure out.....

Err, no.

- I believe that therapy frequently doesn't help with depression. (If it does why are there still so many depressed people?)
- Many depressed people find the idea of taking medication to deal with it disturbing, because of the connotation of taking "happy pills".
- I didn't say femdom porn should be banned, I said it would have to also be banned if you were going to ban the reddit.

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

by Lowtax

LanceHunter posted:

But yea, maybe we're just unlucky to live in an era where one of the most popular, stylistically skilled directors appears to be a massive misanthrope who actively hates his own audience (if not all of humanity), and that those negative images and ideas thrown into our pop culture can end up concentrating in lovely little internet tide-pools like r/incels.

We should go back to the good old days when our popular action heroes were heroic rapists like James Bond.

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Oct 15, 2012

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hyphz posted:

Err, no.

- I believe that therapy frequently doesn't help with depression. (If it does why are there still so many depressed people?)
- Many depressed people find the idea of taking medication to deal with it disturbing, because of the connotation of taking "happy pills".
- I didn't say femdom porn should be banned, I said it would have to also be banned if you were going to ban the reddit.

If we can do kidney transplants why are there so many people on dialysis?

My Linux Rig
Mar 27, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 6 years!

hyphz posted:

- I didn't say femdom porn should be banned, I said it would have to also be banned if you were going to ban the reddit.
How exactly is femdom porn the same as a subreddit that encourages and celebrates serial killers?

Benny Harvey
Nov 24, 2012

My Linux Rig posted:

How exactly is femdom porn the same as a subreddit that encourages and celebrates serial killers?

Not to mention r/jailbait and I'm sure there's other disgusting subreddits.

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


lmao - an incel version of Beauty and the Beast:

:nws:https://blackpillcomics.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/cartoon34_beauty.jpg?w=880:nws:

Also that entire website, drat: https://blackpillcomics.wordpress.com/

Sand Dan
May 15, 2017

welcum 2 our
sick cyberpunk h e l l
cool I just saw Beast's butthole!!!!!!

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


i thought r/jailbait got banned years ago when the :reddit: smilie came into being

Fartbox
Apr 27, 2017
What's happening? Dri fu an only two? what is this?
Is this an avatar? I don't know rm dunk

lol jesus

:nws:

https://blackpillcomics.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/whatyoureseeing.jpg?w=880

Fartbox
Apr 27, 2017
What's happening? Dri fu an only two? what is this?
Is this an avatar? I don't know rm dunk

The guy doing those comics has a lot of brainproblems. I've been there for 10 seconds and already seen tons of bestiality for some reason (???)

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Mar 27, 2010
Probation
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Rofl I would have thought incels would loving love beauty and the beast

I mean it's a movie where some virgin girl gets kidnapped by an ugly homebody, falls in love with him, rejects a super masculine burly man who the beast ends up owning along with the crowd of the town folk who vilified the beast based on his looks, and in the end gets gifted good looks

How is that not an incel favori-- oh right the strong female lead character. I guess they don't like the movie because of that.

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