Trump Thread II: The man make a tweet

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WampaLord: Jan 14, 2010

Kale posted:

So in summary, Trump's goons, Breitbart, Neo-Nazis, SBG, Daily Stormer and the like taken very much seriously. /pol/ and The_Donald where people spin their memes and hate them some "normies" not taken very seriously at all still cause they can't even agree on their own approach and choose a focus for propaganda and action.

Do you really not get how they're both wings of the same thing, though? poo poo starts out on /pol/ and The_Donald and then migrates over to the more "serious" threats you listed.

I think you took away the wrong message from that video.

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evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

actually now that i think about it, the HFC loathes obamacare and might INSIST on obamacare repeal being added to the reconciliation budget (which they have been unable to pass so far)

i wonder if it could actually wind up sinking tax cuts, this is a really big deal and i bet the republicans have no plan

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:11

WeAreTheRomans: Feb 23, 2010; by R. Guyovich

evilweasel posted:

whoa

https://twitter.com/annaedge4/status/903674528018161664

what i had read before this was this question had never really been nailed down and there was a reasonable chance that the parliamentarian would rule the old budget was still in force until a new one was passed, even if september 30th had passed

but apparently that's not the case and in 30 days obamacare may be safe unless republicans give up on taxes

quote:

everyone just goes "I'll just come a little more" before pulling out.

lmaoooooooooooo wut

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:14

John Wick of Dogs: Mar 4, 2017; A real hellraiser

Can't they still just reconcile health care next year?

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Zoro: Aug 30, 2017; by Smythe

Kale posted:

I still remember this one video from a while back in the Spring where a Pepe memer tried to join a Confederate rally with some Neo-Nazi Skinhead types clearly present as well. Guy was all decked out in his Pepe symbols and MAGA hat and trying to shout his memes and they just told him to get the gently caress out of their rally and that he wasn't welcome to join them. When he started being a shitlord and claiming he was just there "for the memes" things got really physical and the guy loving beat it and started to cry. I don't think these pasty millennial nerds hopping on the degenerate meme train are taken particularly seriously by the more hardcore committed Nazi types even that have been doing their poo poo for decades now even necessarily.

Do you have a link to this video?

evilweasel posted:

I should also note that it is possible that the GOP tries to find a way to wedge obamacare and tax cuts together in one reconciliation bill for FY2018, but if I were paul ryan I wouldn't risk my precious precious tax cuts on that given the immense difficulty the Senate had in coming up with anything.

Personally, I just hope they give up the goat with Obamacare. No one wants it repealed.

Kale posted:

Trumps just going to gently caress with the funding for it in retaliation and claim that he took care of the ACA when congress couldn't even though it's his usual undoing/non-action on things approach at play and he'll try to notch it as a win on twitter even though the campaign promise was actually immediate repeal and replace with a better deal that gives more coverage and the same or lower premiums. People will poo poo on him, the cycle will continue unabated and real people who get tossed off coverage will be harmed. Perhaps we'll see 30% approval by the end of the year but it seems a long shot somehow.

Personally, I believe 34% is his floor. I would love to be proved wrong.

farraday posted:

I was going to post that!

Honestly this is great news that means the Obamacare repeal and replace is pretty much officially dead.

Did you see this as well?

https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/903659305097932800
It seems like a way to get a clean increase through easily, but I'm not thrilled about the delayed timeline on it.

This plus Trump backing down means things should be smooth sailing to a clean debt ceiling raise with none of Trump's budget cuts.

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:15

BigBallChunkyTime: Nov 25, 2011; Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.; Illegal Hen

Deteriorata posted:

Current output of all models, courtesy of the Weather Underground:

Most of the projections have it turning to the north, but it's still pretty uncertain at this point.

Yikes. Just imagine if it follows the tracks that would have it hitting very near New York or DC.

Also what's the significance of that single white line?

BigBallChunkyTime fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Sep 1, 2017

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evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

Deteriorata posted:

They already tried that. The main repeal bill in the Senate didn't really repeal much of anything, it was just window dressing for a big tax cut.

uh it repealed one hell of a lot of medical care for poor people

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:16

Niton: Oct 21, 2010; Your Lord and Savior has finally arrived!

..got any kibble?

Your Taint posted:

Yikes. Just imagine if it follows the tracks that would have it hitting very near New York or DC.

The one track that has Irma move from East to West across Long Island is treating Sandy like a standard hurricane, for some reason. Storms don't do that - they either move SW -> NE across the island, or come in W/NW and move due East.

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:17

saintonan: Dec 7, 2009; Fields of glory shine eternal

Al Borland Corp. posted:

Can't they still just reconcile health care next year?

They can do one thing per year and they have both ACA repeal and tax cuts for the 1% that will likely be filibustered if not in reconciliation. They have to pick one, and only the partiest of the Tea Party would choose ACA repeal.

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:17

Pakled: Aug 6, 2011; WE ARE SMART

Al Borland Corp. posted:

Can't they still just reconcile health care next year?

Repealing Obamacare in an election year would be an even bigger political suicide than doing it this year, and most Republicans in congress would strongly prefer using next year's reconciliation to pass tax cuts.

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:18

ded redd: Aug 1, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

https://twitter.com/mizzousundevil/status/903643908533616640

Quite literally everything is terrorism.

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:21

Pembroke Fuse: Dec 29, 2008

WampaLord posted:

Do you really not get how they're both wings of the same thing, though? poo poo starts out on /pol/ and The_Donald and then migrates over to the more "serious" threats you listed.

I think you took away the wrong message from that video.

This. I see r/redpill, /pol/, r/t_d and #gamergate as gateway drugs. Each of them takes a disaffected portion of the population and leads them by the hand towards straight up Nazi ideology. It's no wonder that Return of Kings, ostensibly a PUA site designed to sell disaffected losers Roosh V. merch, is now talking about "the Jewish Question". Ultimately they take a problem like "women don't like me", "minorities are invading my nerd space as a gamer", "I'm a disaffected Republican", "I have no personality except for memes", etc... and sell a set of solutions to these problems that invariably blame minorities, socialism, feminism, Jews, Muslims and pluralistic society in general.

You start out as a disaffected loser worried about women in video games and end up a disaffected loser worried about how Jews are leading a global conspiracy to promote feminism and women in video games.

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:21

Happy Thread: Jul 10, 2005; by Fluffdaddy; Plaster Town Cop

Would a thread with a laser focused topic (crime and punishment w.r.t. the administration) perhaps find a way to not get derailed in quite the same way between news events though? Like, people could get real deep into posting specific activities that otherwise wouldn't merit a post in here when people are busy with soda chat or dog tax in the catch all tweet thread.

Suppose an investigation-only thread that bans most discussion falls off the front page of D&D over and over, to the second page where week old threads live. At worst it gets forgotten and falls off the second page too. At best people get to talking and find that there's deeper to dig into its narrowly defined topics.

Which is worse, the risk of moderate hand-wringing pro-Russia concern trolling posts showing up between news releases, making it harder to find real Mueller information, versus the certainty of dozens of pages of Harvey chat, democrats chat, riot chat, cat toys chat, tweets chat, and so on because it's a catch-all thread like we have here making it harder to find just Mueller information?

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:21

Kale: May 14, 2010

WampaLord posted:

Do you really not get how they're both wings of the same thing, though? poo poo starts out on /pol/ and The_Donald and then migrates over to the more "serious" threats you listed.

I think you took away the wrong message from that video.

I can see them being a recruiting ground for trying to convert the "gently caress the normies" disaffected no future millennial crowd into full fledged neo-nazis by exploiting their stupidity and hatred of all things deemed to mainstream or "normie". That's about the only angle at which I see /pol/ as any sort of real threat. That said their ideas don't look particularly popular right now and with Charlottesville bringing tons of unwanted media attention and awareness to their corners of the internet and the massive push back and a clear indication that they are now on the defensive who knows what the future has in store for that corner of the internet. I'm not going to ascribe undo importance to them though and give them what they want in the process that's for sure. They're a bunch of loving losers going nowhere in life and they know it and refuse to do anything about it other than find people to hate and blame and at their average age are going to have a long rear end time to consider and dwell on it. That's the way I see it.

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:22

farraday: Jan 10, 2007; Lower those eyebrows, young man. And the other one.

https://twitter.com/ajchavar/status/903682456414511105

Another great line

quote:

Woodard objected, claiming that videos of his own client speaking were hearsay evidence.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/crying-nazi-christopher-cantwells-lawyer-says-hes-just-kidding-about-killing-jews

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Kale: May 14, 2010

Zoro posted:

Do you have a link to this video?

Personally, I just hope they give up the goat with Obamacare. No one wants it repealed.

Personally, I believe 34% is his floor. I would love to be proved wrong.

This plus Trump backing down means things should be smooth sailing to a clean debt ceiling raise with none of Trump's budget cuts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnKDkuKUzws

Through the filter of what looks like a Young Turks style internet show yeah

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:25

CuddleCryptid: Jan 11, 2013; Things could be going better

Office Pig posted:

https://twitter.com/mizzousundevil/status/903643908533616640

Quite literally everything is terrorism.

Pretty sure that this is super illegal? Like you are supposed to release information to the stakeholders in the area, and at the very least to the workers under the Right To Know act.

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Yngwie Mangosteen: Aug 23, 2007

Hey everyone, forums poster Kale doesn't believe any of the linked articles, research, or evidence about margibalized groups being recruiting grounds and idea breeding pits for rwm.

So quit talking about things Kale doesn't like in this and all threads, how dare you!!!!!

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:25

cr0y: Mar 24, 2005

Office Pig posted:

https://twitter.com/mizzousundevil/status/903643908533616640

Quite literally everything is terrorism.

Then people should be wrecking the companies PR strategy with the assumption that the place is full of stuff dangerous enough that it cant fall into terrorists hands.

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:26

evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

Al Borland Corp. posted:

Can't they still just reconcile health care next year?

They only have one bill left. That means they can:

1) Do tax cuts, no obamacare repeal. Likely to get their tax cuts passed.

2) Do just obamacare repeal. Unlikely to succeed, but perhaps McCain dies (however, there wasn't close to 50 votes for any "real" plan and Graham et. al. may not go along with skinny repeal again).

3) Do both. Risks their tax cuts dying because they still can't do obamacare repeal.

I believe they have to make their choice in the budget: they must put in specific instructions to allow them to do Obamacare repeal in the 2018 reconciliation bill. They may be able to put the instructions in then not do it - but I don't know for sure. Even if they can, if I'm Ryan I may not do that anyway because the mere possibility of putting Obamacare repeal in means that the HFC may refuse to support tax cuts without Obamacare repeal, and people refuse to pass pure tax cuts because it firmly ends the possibility of Obamacare repeal this session.

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PerniciousKnid: Sep 13, 2006

farraday posted:

Another great line

http://www.thedailybeast.com/crying-nazi-christopher-cantwells-lawyer-says-hes-just-kidding-about-killing-jews

Now that's a lawyer!

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:27

cr0y: Mar 24, 2005

DreamShipWrecked posted:

Pretty sure that this is super illegal? Like you are supposed to release information to the stakeholders in the area, and at the very least to the workers under the Right To Know act.

Nope because the company lobbied to change the law that required it iirc.

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:27

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Your Taint posted:

Also what's the significance of that single white line?

Probably best-fit-line, average of all the outcomes

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:28

Kale: May 14, 2010

Captain Monkey posted:

Hey everyone, forums poster Kale doesn't believe any of the linked articles, research, or evidence about margibalized groups being recruiting grounds and idea breeding pits for rwm.

So quit talking about things Kale doesn't like in this and all threads, how dare you!!!!!

Don't be stupid, I never said anything like that. Seriously don't be stupid, have your opinions and I'll have mine that might not be exactly the loving same as some others. Gotta learn to live with it.

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evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

farraday posted:

Another great line

http://www.thedailybeast.com/crying-nazi-christopher-cantwells-lawyer-says-hes-just-kidding-about-killing-jews

to give him a tiny bit of credit: it is hearsay evidence, it's just that there's a specific exception for hearsay evidence of a party's own statements being introduced against them

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:28

Mind_Taker: May 7, 2007

PerniciousKnid posted:

Now that's a lawyer!

Here's his office:

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=e...dKQBeQQpx8IbTAP

Mind_Taker fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Sep 1, 2017

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:28

JeffersonClay: Jun 17, 2003; by R. Guyovich

Dumb Lowtax posted:

Which is worse, the risk of moderate hand-wringing pro-Russia concern trolling posts showing up between news releases, making it harder to find real Mueller information, versus the certainty of dozens of pages of Harvey chat, democrats chat, riot chat, cat toys chat, tweets chat, and so on because it's a catch-all thread like we have here making it harder to find just Mueller information?

The pro-Russia concern trolling posts aren't coming from moderates, they're coming from the small population of dumb leftists.

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:28

marshmonkey: Dec 5, 2003; I was sick of looking
at your stupid avatar
so
have a cool cat instead.; Switchblade Switcharoo

Pulled from FB

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George Godwyn
August 29 at 10:11am �
Yesterday I opened Twitter to find Mia Farrow, of all people, tweeting this - "Shame on #antifa for attacking peaceful right-wing demonstrators in Berkeley. We don't want or need you" along with a link to a news story about anti-fascist activists attacking Trump supporters. So, after I got done wondering what this "we" poo poo is all about, I got to thinking about how somebody like Ms. Farrow can comprehend a phenomena like antifa, and my own, past experiences with fascists

My experience has mainly been connected to music. Indie music scenes have attracted fascists for decades. Although half the band was Jewish, very early on the Ramones began using Nazi imagery just to shock, but the immediate response of both friends and club owners made them give it up. Much the same has happened since then, when bands incorporate Nazi signifiers � either they give them up or they wind up playing for Nazi crowds. Because hard experience talk the lesson that there is no coexistence with Nazis.

Once a club starts featuring Nazi bands, and the bands bring their followers, non-Nazis just don't want to be around. it's just not worth it anymore. So the music scene learned very early on that you either reject and expel these assholes immediately or they are going to take over and make life miserable. It wasn't some sort of organized ostracization on the part of the crowds, generally. It's just that the culture learned what happens when you let them stay. It's wasn't overtly political, it wasn't any sort of statement about fascism. It was just people not wanting to be around them for a very simple reason.

Modern-day Nazis are just loving assholes. They are just lovely, nasty, awful assholes. Every time.

Maybe a little history could help serve to illustrate my point.

Hitler wrote Mein Kampf in 1923 and he was pretty clear about his beliefs regarding race. He took power in ten years later and began putting those beliefs into policy, but however bad his initial treatment of the Jews and the other targeted communities was, I think it's fair to say that anyone predicting the Holocaust would've been considered a little on the paranoid side, early on. Even during the war, even during the death camps, it's hard to say how many Germans actually knew how bad things were, what was going on. And it's hard to say what they could've done about it, by that point. Some of them knew a lot, eventually, some people guessed, but most people tried to remain ignorant.

Even people like Albert Speer or Eichman, people who were ultimately, directly responsible for sending thousands of people to their deaths would likely have been truly horrified at the prospect ten years earlier. They were eased into it because that's how human morality and behavior functions. For a myriad of reasons, most people just don't jump headfirst into oceans of blood, even the really bad ones. They generally need to dip their toes, a bit. Almost no one, in the grand scheme, joined the Nazi party thinking "I want to gas Jews."

Since the war, Western culture has in part dealt with the world historic trauma it suffered culturally by a constant, therapeutic, necessary stream of art and documentation of the Reich's crimes against humankind. Movies, books, television, visual arts, music, there isn't a form of human communication that hasn't been used to explore the horror of what the race began to learn about itself in 1945. In 1995 the History Channel went on the air and for at least the first ten years it seemed like a good half the channel's content was comprised exclusively of WWII documentaries, and a good portion of those being devoted to the holocaust. The flooding of the culture with the history of what is likely the worst tragedy in world history has been comprehensive and impossible to ignore.

And that's what attracted today's Nazis. Understand that.

Unlike the original Nazis, today's didn't join because they were attracted to inspiring words about national pride, and they didn't join in ignorance of the ultimate outcome of Nazi ideas, the goals. No semi-decent person sees the images of the death camps and thinks "I should look into these Nazis a little more, maybe they had some good ideas." The contemporary crop didn't learn about Nazi political ideology first and decide to adopt it. They didn't grow up at the bottom of a loving well. Every single contemporary Nazi was attracted to Nazism cognizant of of its worst crimes. Not in spite of those crimes, and generally because of them. They saw the video, they read the history, and they thought "That's sounds great, sign me up." Even the ones who deny the holocaust like it. They revel in the imagery of the Holocaust. That's what they're in it for. The Holocaust isn't a bug for them, it's a feature.

They don't divorce themselves from the history of the name. It wouldn't be hard. It's certainly possible to advocate racist positions without appropriating Nazi or fascist specific iconography or ideas. Some on the alt-right even try. But, eventually, they slip up and out pops a seig heil or a "blood and soil". They want the history. They celebrate that history. Things that would have horrified the people who wound up committing war crimes for the Reich, had they known of them before joining the party, are what these people are attracted to.

In order to be comfortable with Nazism now, 70 years after Allied troops freed the thousands from the camps, after the townspeople of nearby Weimar were forced at gunpoint to tour the Buchenwald camp, you are committing to an evil far more concrete, more completely understood, than anyone but Adolph Hitler could have known until the Third Reich fell. The people who identify with Nazism in the present day are, in some very important ways, worse than the originals. They know what happened, they've seen the footage of the starving men and women, the piles of skulls, the corpses of the children, they like it.

They glory in it.They relish it. Because, uniformly, modern day Nazis are disturbed, violent, sociopathic jerks. The exceptions to this rule are notable for their rarity. Richard Spencer is not the norm. The Crying Nazi is the norm.

This isn't hyperbole. I'm speaking very literally. If someone is willing to publicly announce to the world they are a Nazi, if they are willing to appropriate the imagery or the language, knowing what it means culturally, knowing the history, they are making a clear statement of both their complete lack of concern for the most basic norms of civil, human interaction as well as their self-awarded license to do violence any time they think they can get away with it and a lot of times when they can't. Don't tell me about group dynamics and kids wanting to belong. There are a whole bunch of options available before you have to reach so far down into the barrel you're coming up with an SS insignia. If you declare yourself a Nazi, if you even toy with it for attention, there is something horribly, horribly wrong.

There are no cool Nazis. Even the occasional well appointed, moderately thoughtful front man like Spencer, or the poor, dumb teenager who's going to realize what a big mistake he's made six months from now, is going to be toting a bunch of shithead losers behind him, every loving time. No one who isn't a Nazi, who has experienced a group of Nazis, wants to hang out with Nazis again. They are nasty, ambulatory garbage with stupid haircuts. I'm not talking about politics. I'm talking about the real world that people actually live in. They destroy business for bars they begin frequenting. People start avoiding any place they show up because there's always some loving horrible poo poo going on. Someone getting picked on, someone getting beat up, someone almost getting beat up, racial slurs, women being sexually abused, bartenders threatened, everyone threatened, I shouldn't need to go through this list. I don't know why I'm going through it.

They will make an entire working class neighborhood a loving pain in the rear end for as long as they're tolerated. They'll harass businesses, mess with neighbors, and just make everyone's loving life lovely as long and as much as they can until they wind up doing something so dumb and lovely they wind up going to prison. A good deal of the time, that's murdering someone. I haven't even mentioned the special attention people of color get, of course. Or gay people. Or trans-people. Or, God forbid, they decide anyone even looks Jewish. Do I really have to? They will do whatever they can to make any member of a vulnerable group feel constantly threatened, at the very least. At the most, well, you read the papers.

I don't know how some people have remained so sheltered that you don't not to know this already, or that you can't figure it out. They're loving Nazis.

So, see, what some of us who have hung out around scenes that suffered the occasional fascist outbreak or incursion, or working class neighborhoods, or bars where they start showing up, the kind of place that Ms. Farrow doesn't get to visit much anymore, I guess, is that Nazism isn't a political affiliation, in a lot of ways it has very little to do with politics � declaring oneself a Nazi is a public announcement that the person so declaring suffers from a severe, malevolent personality disorder, that they are an out of control, looking for any kind of trouble they can find, jerk, and that they cannot be trusted to behave like a human being for more than 30 seconds.

I'm sure a lot of this may be hard for wealthy Hollywood stars to relate to, or some of my less vulnerable, whiter, straighter, more insulated friends. If you haven't been forced to be around these people in a real world environment, it's probably hard to wrap your head around just how loving odious these pricks are in person, but it's not a loving joke. It's not a game. And it's NOT loving POLITICS. They are, wherever they appear openly, a clear, present threat to anyone in their vicinity, anyone they can get in a vulnerable position. Anyone they can get their hands on.

The point is that, past the immediate function of antifa actually defending other, more peaceful, protestors (which is almost all they generally wind up doing. Just ask Cornell West and the line of clergy that were attacked during the battle of Charlottesville), probably the most important function the antifa strategy serves is to signal to the worst of the protestors on the right, the true fascists, that their presence will SIMPLY NOT BE TOLERATED IN THE COMMUNITY.

That there is an active, hostile presence in the the area, willing to put their bodies and liberty on the line, in order to protect themselves and the community, particularly the most vulnerable. To STOP them before they get a foothold, to loving hurt them badly enough that they won't come back the next weekend to gently caress up a show, or bust up a bar, or beat up a loving trans kid, or knife someone, or shoot someone. Or shoot a bunch of people. Or drag some poor old black janitor behind a car till he dies.

Are the police going to protect people during these demonstrations? Are they going to protect the community? I'm sure the conventional liberals reading will be saddened to learn the police are sometimes less than helpful in these situations. Take a look at the video of the man firing his gun into the crowd in Charlottesville in front of the line of cops. If the cops aren't actively on the side of the Nazis (and some of them sure are), they either aren't going to or won't be able to stop the worst of what's going to happen once the fascists establish a beachhead. And that's what they do, every time, if they're not stopped immediately and decisively anytime they raise their loving heads.

I'm a free speech absolutist. I don't think government should ever interfere with the free expression of its citizens, I strongly support the ACLU's work defending the civil right of the Nazis to rally without interference from government. I also believe in the free exchange of ideas in the public sphere, that it is fundamentally wrong for a private citizen to use violence against words. Unless those words are a clear threat. And that's what Nazi symbolism, Nazi speech, is. That's the purpose of identifying as a Nazi and anyone who's been around them, knows that.

Talk all the racist poo poo you want. If you put on a swastika, you are declaring your intent to act, and act violently.

The antifa strategy is based on the same realization that the indie music scenes came to very early on - you either deal with fascists the first loving time they show their faces or they're going to settle in and begin calling their pals to let them know they've found a nice, comfortable place to begin tormenting people. Because they are loving Nazis. Does the strategy sometimes play badly on the larger, political stage? Yeah, it does. Do assholes sometimes take put on a mask and use it as an excuse to act like assholes? Obviously, what human political activity doesn't have that problem and how do you stop someone from putting on a mask and acting like an rear end in a top hat? Do those using the strategy attack people they shouldn't? Yes, and they should be held to account when they do. But what's the alternative? Every vulnerable person at a demonstration waiting to get stabbed? Allowing your community to be targeted? They're going to find find the weak, the vulnerable, the people they can hurt, and they're going to do it. They're going to terrorize the gay kid and the queer kid and the trans kid and the black kid and the Jewish kid and any loving person that gets in their way, if there's a few of them in a group. Again, because they're loving Nazis.

It seems weird to have to say something like that, that there should be any confusion about it's meaning, but it's worth repeating - because they are loving Nazis.

The picture I've included with this post is a shot of 18-year-old Daniel Borden from Charlottesville, during the battle. You may also recognize him from the pictures showing him and his friends beating a lone black man they had cut off from his friends and gotten alone. They're using pipes and sticks while their victim is down, trying to cover up and get away. Daniel has a criminal history of bullying other kids, threatening to go on shooting sprees, and being exactly the kind of loving obnoxious hunk of poo poo you'd expect.

Look at that picture. Look at that face. Look at the glee in those eyes, the sweaty ecstasy at finally being free of the daily torture of having to restrain the evil fury in his young, mutilated soul. Just waiting for the chance to take it all out on someone who can't fight back. "Yay! I get to hit people!" That's the face of Nazism. that's what modern Nazism is, and that's all it is.

The entire motive force is hatred and the dumb, animal joy at their ability to cause pain. Not national identity, pride, values, none of that. Even if some of those concepts animated the original Nazi party, that's not what it's about anymore. It's about sheer, unmitigated hatred and sociopathic violence. That's loving it. There's no talking to it, there is no discourse with it. There's just violence met with violence. That's what they're here for, that's why they exist, it's the only language they understand. They are bloodhthirsty losers whose mission it is to cause people around them pain, but they're also, like all bullies, cowards - so all it takes is a few people to stand the gently caress up to them and let them know they're not welcome and send them on their way, preferably with an rear end-kicking to keep the memory fresh. You either stand up and make it clear you're not sitting back down until they're gone, or you give up your bar, your neighborhood, maybe your town. (Does this map onto anything greater? Look at the 20th century and you tell me.)

So it seems to me that the way to react to kids willing to put their bodies between the vulnerable and people like I just described is to thank them. Even if you're rich and white and you don't actually hang out anywhere you may actually run into any real trouble like this, or live in a neighborhood that's been victimized. These kids are putting themselves in harm's way to make it harder for people whose express intent is to hurt others, sometimes others who can't defend themselves. Thank them, or if that's too much, at least don't try to read them out of what you'd like to consider "your" safe, comfortable, little protest in between posting clips of John Oliver and "Drumpf" memes. There are some of us who want to be able to go to a show or a protest without having to deal with some dumb gently caress in a pepe t-shirt and swastika trying to stab us in the back or run us over.

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:29

Gum: Mar 9, 2008; _{oho, a rapist

time to try this puppy out}

Office Pig posted:

https://twitter.com/mizzousundevil/status/903643908533616640

Quite literally everything is terrorism.

Oh no terrorists might find out if their facilities contain stuff that could explode

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:32

Happy Thread: Jul 10, 2005; by Fluffdaddy; Plaster Town Cop

JeffersonClay posted:

The pro-Russia concern trolling posts aren't coming from moderates, they're coming from the small population of dumb leftists.

Huh. I guess I'll check the thread out then as that sounds like it might be a small enough problem for an ignore list to solve (maybe it already has if they've posted here too). As long as it doesn't veer off into other Russia topics too much or global news things not related to locking the Trump admin up then I won't post a thread

Happy Thread fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Sep 1, 2017

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:33

mod sassinator: Dec 13, 2006; I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass

Gum posted:

Oh no terrorists might find out if their facilities contain stuff that could explode

Excuse me, the proper term is "overpressurization, followed by fire".

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:33

Family Values: Jun 26, 2007

farraday posted:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/crying-nazi-christopher-cantwells-lawyer-says-hes-just-kidding-about-killing-jews

quote:

Cantwell's attorney is Elmer Woodard, who appeared in court wearing an early-1800s-style red waistcoat with gold buttons, bowtie, white muttonchop whiskers, black velcro shoes, and a a 1910s-style straw boater hat.

Really want a picture of this.

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:34

evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/903571682417418240

lol he might as well have written "i like presidents who don't fail to repeal obamacare"

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:35

Pellisworth: Jun 20, 2005

SHuckS hour starting shortly: https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/press-briefing-press-secretary-sarah-sanders-8

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:37

Yngwie Mangosteen: Aug 23, 2007

Kale posted:

Don't be stupid, I never said anything like that. Seriously don't be stupid, have your opinions and I'll have mine that might not be exactly the loving same as some others. Gotta learn to live with it.

Project harder, shitheel. You've done nothing but get onto people for posting in this thread. It's inane and pointless. I'm sorry you don't see the connection that other people are discussing, but they're free to discuss it. Stop making GBS threads on posters for continuing to talk about things like the /pol/ -> kekistan -> nazi pipeline like you were with WampaLord, who generally actually contributes to this thread.

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:38

Kale: May 14, 2010

Dumb Lowtax posted:

Would a thread with a laser focused topic (crime and punishment w.r.t. the administration) perhaps find a way to not get derailed in quite the same way between news events though? Like, people could get real deep into posting specific activities that otherwise wouldn't merit a post in here when people are busy with soda chat or dog tax in the catch all tweet thread.

Suppose an investigation-only thread that bans most discussion falls off the front page of D&D over and over, to the second page where week old threads live. At worst it gets forgotten and falls off the second page too. At best people get to talking and find that there's deeper to dig into its narrowly defined topics.

Which is worse, the risk of moderate hand-wringing pro-Russia concern trolling posts showing up between news releases, making it harder to find real Mueller information, versus the certainty of dozens of pages of Harvey chat, democrats chat, riot chat, cat toys chat, tweets chat, and so on because it's a catch-all thread like we have here making it harder to find just Mueller information?

Yeah the finding useful information thing or the topic you are actually seeking to engage in is getting kind of tough lately. This week you could potentially sub-divide this thread off into as many as at least 4 categories including the Russia investigation, ongoing events regarding Hurricane Harvey and relief efforts, a Trump admin policies general and the Neo-Nazi's vs. Anti-fa Cross Country Summer Rally Shout-a-thon and related twitter posts and still have fuel to power all 4 of them.

Captain Monkey posted:

Project harder, shitheel. You've done nothing but get onto people for posting in this thread. It's inane and pointless. I'm sorry you don't see the connection that other people are discussing, but they're free to discuss it. Stop making GBS threads on posters for continuing to talk about things like the /pol/ -> kekistan -> nazi pipeline like you were with WampaLord, who generally actually contributes to this thread.

This is garbage dude and I'm not entertaining it past this post. Whatever issue people have in-between major news cycles that they need to constantly pick fights with other users to stay engaged in the thread like this is entirely their problem. The only people I see making GBS threads on other users or telling them how to post and think are people like you and Wampalord (calling me out by name trying to start poo poo by the way while I was minding my own business browsing the thread I should mention) that constantly call people out over nothing (like that one guy with the football avatar all week) posts trying to soapbox and attribute views they don't hold seemingly just to have an argument with them and soapbox against a strawman. Kindly piss right off, or you know don't, but either way I'm done with this poo poo. Thank you.

Kale fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Sep 1, 2017

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:39

Pembroke Fuse: Dec 29, 2008

marshmonkey posted:

Pulled from FB

I kind of want to repost this in a few places.

Two questions:
- Would the original author mind?
- Do you have the media links s/he references?

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:39

Hellblazer187: Oct 12, 2003

Pembroke Fuse posted:

This. I see r/redpill, /pol/, r/t_d and #gamergate as gateway drugs. Each of them takes a disaffected portion of the population and leads them by the hand towards straight up Nazi ideology. It's no wonder that Return of Kings, ostensibly a PUA site designed to sell disaffected losers Roosh V. merch, is now talking about "the Jewish Question". Ultimately they take a problem like "women don't like me", "minorities are invading my nerd space as a gamer", "I'm a disaffected Republican", "I have no personality except for memes", etc... and sell a set of solutions to these problems that invariably blame minorities, socialism, feminism, Jews, Muslims and pluralistic society in general.

You start out as a disaffected loser worried about women in video games and end up a disaffected loser worried about how Jews are leading a global conspiracy to promote feminism and women in video games.

I wonder if there's any way to use this for the left. Maybe that's unethical, but I don't know, if you somehow got disaffected losers screaming about millionaires and billionaires instead of Jews, and PoC, gosh, that might go somewhere. Maybe.

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:42

PhazonLink: Jul 17, 2010

farraday posted:

https://twitter.com/ajchavar/status/903682456414511105

Another great line

http://www.thedailybeast.com/crying-nazi-christopher-cantwells-lawyer-says-hes-just-kidding-about-killing-jews

If words don't mean anything maybe we should just get rid of the 1st amendment. jfc at this "I'm just joking bro." defense, I hope the judge fucks him.

My Internet Lawyer advice to that guy, might as well rip off Alex Jones and say he ate chili and forgot killing The Jews was a bad thing.

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Dick Trauma: Nov 30, 2007; God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Family Values posted:

Really want a picture of this.

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:43

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