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I mean, they said it before, not me, but because it's the LF thread everyone will ignore the tacit approval of kulak death and focus on the earnest interest in Soviet history
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genetically engineer all proles to have gills and then set off nuclear warheads at the artic and antartic to accelerate the rise of waterworld.
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Sep 1, 2017 01:07
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Hodgepodge posted:Also with regards to what namesake said, the problem seems to occur when transitioning from a war footing (which may be inevitable) to civil politics and administration. Bourgeois revolutions manage this, albeit with all the caveats which keep power concentrated in the hands of the bourgeoise. But keeping power in the hands of a particular class and its interests is not in itself undesirable; it is a matter of priviledging the working class without creating a hegemonic party elite, as I understand it. right, but you can look at the actual, measurable differences between party elite and average citizens and see it's absolutely nothing compared to what the bourgeoisie in capitalist countries enjoy i'd argue that after world war ii the ussr DID make that transition (and that the war years were more democratic than they're given credit for, but that's another matter)
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I have a pet theory that the ussr was just as incapable as transitioning to socialism as any capitalist country was - power structures act to preserve themselves, regardless of the expressed intentions of its participants. We would never expect capitalists to deny their self interest, and transition to socialism all by themselves. Why would a party elite ever do the same? The logical path after seizing state power, is to expand the party structure to replace the old state. If that structure is fundamentally oligarchical (an understandable structure to assume in a dire civil war setting), you're going to end up with a oligarchy. Therefore, the socialistic power structure must exist before the revolution starts, and your party has to reflect it on its ordinary functioning, because it cannot be established after.
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So, what your saying is, my coworkers should murder my elderly boss and purchase the business and form a co op
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Sep 1, 2017 03:38
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No? I dont know, maybe hold off on the murder
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you don't have to personally murder your boss, that's what the secret police will be for
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if it's an old person it barely even counts as murder i think
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Sep 1, 2017 03:56
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you're supposed to murder your landlord, idiot
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Zas posted:you're supposed to murder your landlord, idiot Just murder everyone, death should be redistributed.
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rudatron posted:No? I dont know, maybe hold off on the murder What an Un-lf post! I'm beginning to doubt your loyalty to Chairman Lowtax, comrade...
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MizPiz posted:Just murder everyone, death should be redistributed. from each according to their ability, to each according to their need
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rudatron posted:I have a pet theory that the ussr was just as incapable as transitioning to socialism as any capitalist country was - power structures act to preserve themselves, regardless of the expressed intentions of its participants. We would never expect capitalists to deny their self interest, and transition to socialism all by themselves. Why would a party elite ever do the same? The logical path after seizing state power, is to expand the party structure to replace the old state. If that structure is fundamentally oligarchical (an understandable structure to assume in a dire civil war setting), you're going to end up with a oligarchy. Therefore, the socialistic power structure must exist before the revolution starts, and your party has to reflect it on its ordinary functioning, because it cannot be established after. 
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Larry Parrish posted:Two world wars, decades of unrest and civil war, CIA and MI6 funding counter revolutionaries doesn't really explain why they betrayed the Workers revolution during the Spanish civil war though
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A Typical Goon posted:doesn't really explain why they betrayed the Workers revolution during the Spanish civil war though Inconsistent is probably the nicest possible word when it comes to the USSR's foreign policy
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Larry Parrish posted:Inconsistent is probably the nicest possible word when it comes to the USSR's foreign policy hope HomeEx gets here soon so he can explain why having three different, entirely contradictory policies on fascism in the space of a decade is actually a reflection of stalin's masterful understanding of mid 20th century european politics (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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A Typical Goon posted:doesn't really explain why they betrayed the Workers revolution during the Spanish civil war though I, too, have read the hit memoir Homage to Catalonia.
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A Typical Goon posted:doesn't really explain why they betrayed the Workers revolution during the Spanish civil war though betraying the workers revolution by being the only country to materially support it
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Yeah I still eat pork too but I wouldn't want to raise it. Rear. You raise crops, you rear animals and children.
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Sep 1, 2017 14:39
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R. Guyovich posted:betraying the workers revolution by being the only country to materially support it You Forgot Mexico
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They're good.
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zen death robot posted:I used to think purges were a bad thing but now I kinda get it In hearts of iron 4 you need to do them as quickly and as brutally as possible to avoid civil war so I can get they were necessary
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Fallen Hamprince posted:hope Hamprince gets here soon so he can explain why having three different, entirely contradictory policies on fascism in the space of a decade is actually a reflection of the uk's masterful understanding of mid 20th century european politics
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i seem to remember hamprince posting in here was an auto sixer
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You have to submit a zayavlenie to Squizzle.
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Karl Barks posted:i seem to remember hamprince posting in here was an auto sixer *awakens from deep, dreamless sleep* you're right
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R. Guyovich posted:betraying the workers revolution by being the only country to materially support it supporting the bourgeois republican government and advocating a policy of liberal democracy is not supporting the revolution friend
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Hell yeah we got a regular Orwell in the motherfuckin house
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when i read 1984 as a teen my main takeaway was that man, this orwell guy really hates communists
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GalacticAcid posted:Hell yeah we got a regular Orwell in the motherfuckin house Is this supposed to be some type of insult or....
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Orwell's fine as far as memoirs go but it's extremely obvious when the only analysis of the Civil War someone has read is Homage to Catalonia.
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A Typical Goon posted:supporting the bourgeois republican government and advocating a policy of liberal democracy is not supporting the revolution friend Socialism in One CountryTM
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Sep 1, 2017 22:09
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What should Stalin have done to "support the Workers revolution."
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Sep 1, 2017 22:21
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https://twitter.com/profoundcarnage/status/903724058138824708
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GalacticAcid posted:What should Stalin have done to "support the Workers revolution." he should have killed himself
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100 degrees Calcium posted:he should have killed himself interesting proposal. Hard to say how this would have affected conditions in Spain though.
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