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Node
May 20, 2001

KICKED IN THE COOTER
:dings:
Taco Defender
Is the Pestilence set garbage compared to the other necromancer sets? The game has dropped two primal Pestilence pieces for me and I feel like I owe it to the game to give it another try, but it was just so bad in comparison.

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Dross
Sep 26, 2006

Every night he puts his hot dogs in the trees so the pigeons can't get them.

Node posted:

Is the Pestilence set garbage compared to the other necromancer sets? The game has dropped two primal Pestilence pieces for me and I feel like I owe it to the game to give it another try, but it was just so bad in comparison.

Yes, for now. It's getting some love in the patch but it remains to be seen whether it will be competitive. Always hang onto your primal set pieces though.

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

twice burned ice posted:

Keep in mind, you'll lose 240% secondary skill damage if you drop the Viagra.

Ellaybee
Jun 17, 2005

I'm a filthy casual who plays once every few seasons, and I'm trying to finally unlock an extra stash tab to facilitate my saving every legendary that might someday become suddenly useful despite knowing it probably won't.

I'm hitting a wall in the low 60s GRs with an Inarius lazystorm build (https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Ellaybee-11248/hero/93354658). There are pieces I'd like to replace with versions with more crit dmg where I could (and there's an amethyst slotted in the helm that isn't showing up for whatever reason). Are there other pieces I should consider using instead? It's also altogether possible I'm a poor player who gear won't help.

mewse
May 2, 2006

Lazystorm is designed for T13 speeds :confused:

MMAgCh
Aug 15, 2001
I am the poet,
The prophet of the pit
Like a hollow-point bullet
Straight to the head
I never missed...you
Generally speaking, Blind Faith and Frostburn aren't actually all that good for the build due to the low proc co-efficient of the bone storm effect. Assuming survivability is what you're struggling with I'd try using Aquila Cuirass in the cube instead, as well as Unity once you've acquired an Inarius helmet and don't need the RoRG any more.

Pretty much none of the skill bonuses on your gear do anything at all for you, so as far as possible I'd re-roll them to defensive affixes (vitality/life%/armour). Also, the bulk of the build's damage comes from the Pain Enhancer proc, so you'll want to re-roll the damage bonus on your bracers to physical. For this reason you want to get the gem's level as high as possible as well.

mewse posted:

Lazystorm is designed for T13 speeds :confused:
This is true too. I don't doubt that is possible to do a level 75 GR with a Lazystorm build, but it's decidedly less than ideal.

Maker Of Shoes
Sep 4, 2006

AWWWW YISSSSSSSSSS
DIS IS MAH JAM!!!!!!
Lazy Storm kitted it will do 75 no problem but it's at almost twice the time of a 70. At that point, why bother?

Ellaybee
Jun 17, 2005

Points taken. I'll see what I can put together with a Trag Corpse Lance build. I have the set and I'll build from there. Thanks!

Ellaybee fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Sep 2, 2017

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
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MMAgCh posted:

Generally speaking, Blind Faith and Frostburn aren't actually all that good for the build due to the low proc co-efficient of the bone storm effect. Assuming survivability is what you're struggling with I'd try using Aquila Cuirass in the cube instead, as well as Unity once you've acquired an Inarius helmet and don't need the RoRG any more.

This is true too. I don't doubt that is possible to do a level 75 GR with a Lazystorm build, but it's decidedly less than ideal.

I agree, I don't think Blind Faith is worth it having to socket RoRG. However, Frostburn I keep on my speedrun version for plowing through 70 or less with absolute ease, but my second set I swap it out for Aquila for doing 70+. Speedrun Set (<3 minute GR70s or less) I have an Ancient Lost Time + Frostburn Cubed+Krys Cubed+ Bone Armor w/ Cold Speed Run, +Briggs+Kalan+CoE for the sweet speedruns just running through laughing at everything dying. Briggs isn't necessary but I find it fun as gently caress and the knockback temporary works with Krys as well.

My "heavyweight" bone storm speedish but albiet slower build working ok up to GR83, I then swap to Ancient Iron Rose + Aquila Cubed + Krys Cubed + Bone Armor w/ Stun Rune + Compass+Travelers, then I use Siphon Blood and Corpse Lance and just hit them all at once with bone armor, siphon and corpse lancing. Many people forget that you can actually keep casting Siphon while casting other abilities which is pretty drat important, essentially hitting with 3 abilities constantly. The reason for that is I found the ability to kill elites and RG to really fall off hard after 70 with just the lazy speedrun version and at that point you're losing a lot of time fighting those fuckers. Proccing death novas via Iron Rose while siphoning while casting corpse lances while casting bone armor really kills them pretty drat fast solo. I also make a few adjustments from my super-speed lazystorm to heavyweight storm such as changing Metabolism Rune to Potency Rune as I no longer need the extra speed and more a little extra survival but that's about it.

Node
May 20, 2001

KICKED IN THE COOTER
:dings:
Taco Defender

Ellaybee posted:

Points taken. I'll see what I can put together with a Trag Corpse Lance build. I have the set and I'll build from there. Thanks!

Let me know what your experience is, because I find it to be bullshit. Blood rush, get one shotted, revive at corpse, blood rush, unload dps on a couple elite packs, blood rush, get one shotted, repeat.

DeadlyHalibut
May 31, 2008

Node posted:

Let me know what your experience is, because I find it to be bullshit. Blood rush, get one shotted, revive at corpse, blood rush, unload dps on a couple elite packs, blood rush, get one shotted, repeat.

Thats exactly what it is. But hey, it works.

Esroc
May 31, 2010

Goku would be ashamed of you.
Is there any consensus on what's going to be the optimal Crusader build in the upcoming patch?

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
I just watched a dude push a 110 as Captain America (Jenkanboard+Gyrrfalcon's Foot + Akhans) so my bet is "Whichever build does the best job of using Champion of Akkharat".

DrSeRRoD
Apr 5, 2008

Nope, things are still changing. In 2 weeks, there's another patch coming that is apparently going to bump 6pc bonuses for several sets across all of the classes*, so until 2.6.1 is final, and all changes tested, it won't be known. Either way, everyone is going to have multiple sets to break much higher GRs than they do now, or do their current GRs much easier, so just pick the one you like playing the most and you'll be smashing things.

*"we will be looking to increase numbers on many sets across all of the classes for the next PTR patch." ~Don Vu, Game Desginer
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/d3/topic/20758758090?page=2#post-34

Bust Rodd posted:

I just watched a dude push a 110 as Captain America (Jenkanboard+Gyrrfalcon's Foot + Akhans) so my bet is "Whichever build does the best job of using Champion of Akkharat".

Keep in mind, a lot of the PTR testers are also Paragon 2-3k+ with Level 110-120 gems and nearly unlimited supplies to re-roll, augment with 100+ stat on every item, etc. so I wouldn't set my expectations based on what they do. It does seem like by the time we get 2.6.1, every set will be GR100+ capable by the mid/end of the season, even for the semi-casual that puts in some effort to gear and fish.

DrSeRRoD fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Sep 2, 2017

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

Is Rathma's/Singularity or LazyStorm better for doing GR75 (or a "second conquest", I did the 50million gold one and figure GR75 is the next easiest) and also TXIII nephalem rift in under 5 minutes? They are the last two things I have to do for the stash tab. I probably have more ancient stuff in Rathma's (including a primal boots). I did a GR72 last night with LazyStorm and while it was doable it didn't feel very safe. I assume that's kinda how all GRs feel when they're up there though. Also is there a 'best' LazyStorm? The two I've seen, one uses bone spirit/blind faith/rrog/kalan and the poison gem, the other uses grim scythe with the full set/compass rose/travelers pledge + mirinae gem. I have only one Kalan so I don't want to cube it for that second build which hurts it a bit I think.

I'll probably try out the Rathma's anyway, just wondering what opinions were. I was going to try a Trag'oul build and even though I get lots of pieces for it apparently I've never gotten the shoulders somehow.

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan
Rathma is much easier to hit 75

Also look up something called auramancer - that's the actually good version of lazystorm and it doesn't have blind faith nor travelers pledge

Dross
Sep 26, 2006

Every night he puts his hot dogs in the trees so the pigeons can't get them.

There's no reason to ever use endless walk with lazystorm because you don't stand still to get the damage bonus and the damage reduction can be gotten with just a Unity.

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

Vomik posted:

Rathma is much easier to hit 75

Also look up something called auramancer - that's the actually good version of lazystorm and it doesn't have blind faith nor travelers pledge

Thanks, this looks promising. I don't think I've ever used Molten Wildebeest's Gizzard but it looks cool.

Dross posted:

There's no reason to ever use endless walk with lazystorm because you don't stand still to get the damage bonus and the damage reduction can be gotten with just a Unity.

That's a good point. I tried out Unity but the one I have is poorly rolled and I felt pretty weak, but I may have just been using the wrong build.

Pozload Escobar
Aug 21, 2016

by Reene
Did you also have a unity on your follower?

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

myron cope posted:

Thanks, this looks promising. I don't think I've ever used Molten Wildebeest's Gizzard but it looks cool.


That's a good point. I tried out Unity but the one I have is poorly rolled and I felt pretty weak, but I may have just been using the wrong build.

Not sure which has a gizzard but this is the best rathma build imo:

http://www.diablofans.com/builds/91398-rathma-faceroll-summoner-gr100-new-video-gr100

This is auramancer:

http://www.diablofans.com/builds/94702-auramancer

There's a million varieties mostly around the rings and socketed armor

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

A Buff Gay Dude posted:

Did you also have a unity on your follower?

Yeah, the damage reduction was fine, I just felt like I couldn't kill anything.

Vomik posted:

Not sure which has a gizzard but this is the best rathma build imo:

http://www.diablofans.com/builds/91398-rathma-faceroll-summoner-gr100-new-video-gr100

This is auramancer:

http://www.diablofans.com/builds/94702-auramancer

There's a million varieties mostly around the rings and socketed armor

Ah the gizzard build was something Auramancer, but I can't find what build I saw with it now. I'll try the one you linked anyway.

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

I got the stash tab! I actually did it with the Auramancer build. The rathma build feels strong but it also feels like I'm doing it wrong. I can't quite get the hang if having the mages being numlocked but intentionally holding down a button sometimes to stop the auto cast. I need some more practice at that and just wanted to get the stash tab done.

Dross
Sep 26, 2006

Every night he puts his hot dogs in the trees so the pigeons can't get them.

myron cope posted:

mages being numlocked

Why would you do that?

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

Dross posted:

Why would you do that?

I dunno that's what the build guide said so I figured I'd try it. Did I get trolled?

Dross
Sep 26, 2006

Every night he puts his hot dogs in the trees so the pigeons can't get them.

myron cope posted:

I dunno that's what the build guide said so I figured I'd try it. Did I get trolled?

Seems like making life harder on yourself IMO. Are you trying to keep 4 or 10 active at all times?

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
You numlock the mages so that you can fill up your essence, release the button, max essence singularity mage will auto cast, then start clicking again to stop the auto cast and refill your essence.

Once you get the rhythm down and you build momentum you can just kind of run in a straight line and your constantly respawning max singularity mages just wash over the screen. It's a weird thing to get used to but it's pretty cool when it gets going.

Honestly it's really not that much better than just doing things manually and I never numlock because I hate the omnipresent red text in the middle of my screen

Bust Rodd fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Sep 3, 2017

Vakal
May 11, 2008

Bust Rodd posted:

Honestly it's really not that much better than just doing things manually and I never numlock because I hate the omnipresent red text in the middle of my screen

Didn't Starcraft 2 have toggle-able autocasting of skills?

I don't know why they are so adamant not to include it in this game as a QoL addition.

Hobold
Jan 10, 2012


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Vakal posted:

Didn't Starcraft 2 have toggle-able autocasting of skills?

I don't know why they are so adamant not to include it in this game as a QoL addition.

Lots. Hell even Broodwar did to some extent.

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

Hobold posted:

Lots. Hell even Broodwar did to some extent.

Brood War does not have any kind of ability that automatically casts except for units turning and firing at an enemy if they're idle.

If such a change like that were to happen, it would inch the game closer toward StarCraft II's quality-of-life improvements and people would burn down Blizzard over it.

Suspicious
Apr 30, 2005
You know he's the villain, because he's got shifty eyes.
Brood War medics automatically heal nearby injured biological units, but it's not an option you can toggle on and off. Warcraft 3 introduced the autocasting as we know it.

Hobold
Jan 10, 2012


I love my Cutlass
I love big stompy mechs
I love my HOTAS
I love to salvage wrecks
I love Star Citizen, and all it's craziness
GOONDEYADA, GOONDEYADA, GOONDEYADA
College Slice

Star Man posted:

Brood War does not have any kind of ability that automatically casts except for units turning and firing at an enemy if they're idle.

If such a change like that were to happen, it would inch the game closer toward StarCraft II's quality-of-life improvements and people would burn down Blizzard over it.

Medics is what I was thinking.

Poultron
May 26, 2006

It doesn't make me happy if you call me cute, you bastard!
I feel like it's the kind of thing where they don't really want people to feel like they "have to" autocast things, but haven't really figured out a good way to fix that. I can understand it from the developer end, it might feel like they're "giving up" on a better solution if they just add autocasting or something. It would also defeat the purpose of runes that "autocast" the given skill already, like any of the aura stuff for necro.

Suspicious
Apr 30, 2005
You know he's the villain, because he's got shifty eyes.
Is it even on the to-do list? Wizards still have lovely "active" spells that are just passives you recast every 10 minutes.

Poultron
May 26, 2006

It doesn't make me happy if you call me cute, you bastard!

Suspicious posted:

Is it even on the to-do list? Wizards still have lovely "active" spells that are just passives you recast every 10 minutes.

Well I think those are different things although I agree they're also really loving stupid. They've been in the game since vanilla and I've always hated them.

Node
May 20, 2001

KICKED IN THE COOTER
:dings:
Taco Defender

Vomik posted:

Not sure which has a gizzard but this is the best rathma build imo:

http://www.diablofans.com/builds/91398-rathma-faceroll-summoner-gr100-new-video-gr100


I have the rathma build on icy veins and I can't get past 82 on it. I don't know how people can do those high level rifts since everything one shots you, and some things are nearly unavoidable like winged assassins.

MMAgCh
Aug 15, 2001
I am the poet,
The prophet of the pit
Like a hollow-point bullet
Straight to the head
I never missed...you

Node posted:

I have the rathma build on icy veins and I can't get past 82 on it. I don't know how people can do those high level rifts since everything one shots you, and some things are nearly unavoidable like winged assassins.
I think that's about the level at which you want to start fishing for rifts that lack such monsters, especially when you're running a build that absolutely cannot take a hit at all.

great big cardboard tube
Sep 3, 2003


I don't have to fish at all to do Rathma over 90. Yes poo poo one shots you but you also stun/melt everything from full screen away so you very rarely get hit and you have an invuln passive to cover some fuckups.

great big cardboard tube
Sep 3, 2003


All I do is command skeletons once as soon as a pack appears on screen (or even spam it while running to the next pack to get it to trigger once asap) to freeze and get your 400% damage and then let Jesseth handle keeping that going while you sit at near max range and spam spikes/devour/raise mages when you have full essence. Save a bit of essence after you clean up the tons of globes and spam a bunch more mages so you can command skeletons again first thing next pack and repeat. Always simulacrum when it's up and save lotd for a really dangerous pack or to get full mages back up after a death/lull in mobs/right when entering a fresh rift. I don't even use an esoteric or anything and this works for me great up tomid 90s so far, far from fully geared/paragond out. I use the zeis/trapped/enforcer and coe/haunted visions/witching hour variant.

GoingPostal
Jun 1, 2015


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If we didn't love Derek Smart, we'd be lame
I'm not sure what to go for with next season. I'm actually torn between Barbarian and Crusader.

Of course, knowing how much I like the pet classes, I'll end up with a Helltooth WD or a Rathma/Jesseth Necro eventually, but I'd like to start out as something different this time. I'm leaning a little towards Crusader, because Rhykker was talking about the Captain America build coming back, and I had a lot of fun with that build before.

(I have no idea about whether or not Rhykker's videos are actually worth anything, I was just reminded of how fun the Cap build was, and if it's coming back I'd like to go back to it.)

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Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Spin the Diablo III wheel of destiny. It shall decide for you.

The only rule is that's who you gotta beat gr70 on.

I've done the wheel every season since like 5 and it has yet to steer me wrong. This season excluded due to Necro but whatever.

Mustached Demon fucked around with this message at 10:53 on Sep 4, 2017

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