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DanoTuka posted:I have played Sigmar with my son for a while, but these new Bigmarines caught my eye and I started playing with 8th... gently caress yes. I've got almost exactly what you picked up for bigmarines. Your stuff looks great. If you're going for like a Dark Ultras type chapter, you'd definitely benefit from picking up Guilliman. He just turns primaris armies up to 11. This edition is a lot more focused on the fun than the weird little details of gameplay of previous editions.
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How labor-intensive is GW's casting process? Like, I'm just trying to figure out how arbitrary the prices are for all their models
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Producing a digital copy of a video game is practically free.
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goose willis posted:How labor-intensive is GW's casting process? Like, I'm just trying to figure out how arbitrary the prices are for all their models Miniatures are a lot like medicine. The cost is in R&D, not in production.
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goose willis posted:How labor-intensive is GW's casting process? Like, I'm just trying to figure out how arbitrary the prices are for all their models The molds themselves for injection molding are crazy expensive, and they do wear out eventually. That being said, GW does have higher prices than other companies that do injection molding.
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koreban posted:If you're going for like a Dark Ultras type chapter, you'd definitely benefit from picking up Guilliman. He just turns primaris armies up to 11. Thanks and Yep! pretty much just waiting for him to be released without the other two characters. If I could find him on ebay or if anyone wanted to split the package I'd probably already have him. Half considered the ForgeWorld model cause its armor is awesome but I'm not sure how that would fit on the table and I wouldn't want to upset and WYSIWYG guys too much.
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Floppychop posted:The molds themselves for injection molding are crazy expensive, and they do wear out eventually. From my eyes-and-hands-on experience - and of products that people here applaud as being excellent - no competitor of GW yet makes plastics of an equal quality. Mantic, Dreamforge, North Star, Wyrd, Warlord - all of their plastic products are at an equivalent point in quality to where GW was 15 years ago. I'd love to move away from GW but as someone for whom modelling is the main thing I enjoy from the hobby, no other company comes close to the potential from their basic boxes of minis.
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Zuul the Cat posted:Question for Space Marine players - I've never really ran bikes before, but I just picked up 7 NoS today for $20 (the old 1996 ones). They can swap their default Bolt Pistols for Chainswords to get two attacks each and the Sergeant can get a cheap Power Fist for some extra umph. Toughness 5 will help a lot against most enemy troops as well. Best trick is to use one of the Index Marine Characters, probably a Chaplain or Captain, who can get a bike as well and bodyguard him across the board. That said, you have to be careful and selective. Any high damage ranged fire will blow your guys off the board right quick, and you need to avoid true melee specialists. You won't hold out for long against Terminators or Genestealers, for instance. But if you can use their speed to charge a rear rank Devastator Squad or Broadside Battlesuits? Now you're cooking with gas! jng2058 fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Sep 4, 2017 |
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ineptmule posted:From my eyes-and-hands-on experience - and of products that people here applaud as being excellent - no competitor of GW yet makes plastics of an equal quality. Having once trying to deal with Warmachine plastic, this is spot on. GW plastics seem to be of the sort that Lego uses. It's strong, responds well to plastic and super glue, can be bent (to a point) and is not brittle. It's also easy to carve when needed. The only downsides are that filing/sawing leaves persistent burrs that don't like to go away.
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Signs point to them improving it even more. They're starting to play with mixed material sponses (Tactical Objectives kit) and that weird bendable stuff they're using for the vines basing kit. Sign me up for the Citadel apologist club, after dealing with Privateer Press's lumpy messes and Wyrd's way too loving thin nightmares I'll take a slight increase in cost for the upshot of not tearing out my hair.
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TKIY posted:Jesus Mortarion is going to be incredibly hard to kill and throws out AoE mortal wounds like candy. I suspect he won't be a psyker, which would round him out a bit
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ineptmule posted:From my eyes-and-hands-on experience - and of products that people here applaud as being excellent - no competitor of GW yet makes plastics of an equal quality. I bookmarked the Death Thread originally just to watch the convo when I first got into miniatures, in hopes I’d get the scoop on other manufacturers as good as GW that I might not have heard of. Turns out they don’t exist. People can dislike the theme and the style all they want, but anyone saying that another manufacturer working with polystyrene, or other inferior plastics, is within ten years of GW is just trying really hard to justify their personal boycott.
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I dislike a good 90% of what GW have put out since 7th but there is no denying they put out the best engineered plastics in wargaming.
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Shadin posted:I bookmarked the Death Thread originally just to watch the convo when I first got into miniatures, in hopes I’d get the scoop on other manufacturers as good as GW that I might not have heard of. Turns out they don’t exist. The only company whos mini's I've liked (design wise not always taste wise) is Wyrd's Malifaux line and even then some of their sprues are horrendous and turned me off to that game in a big way.
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The Sisko posted:The only company whos mini's I've liked (design wise not always taste wise) is Wyrd's Malifaux line and even then some of their sprues are horrendous and turned me off to that game in a big way. I've been in FLGs before and looked at Malifaux's stuff, but the painted artwork front / 3D CAD sculpt on the back approach is loving weird for retail packaging. GW gets it right with 'here is a picture of the actual painted models' Especially when it's a one off purchase you're trying to make and you're not familiar with the line.
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ineptmule posted:From my eyes-and-hands-on experience - and of products that people here applaud as being excellent - no competitor of GW yet makes plastics of an equal quality. At this point the only plastic toy making companies who produce better fitting plastic are Lego and Bandai (who can do single cast, multi-plastic, articulated parts). I don't think even the other Japanese companies are doing stuff as good as GW these days. Also Warmachine are quite firmly bottom tier when it comes to plastics. Only plastic army men/cheap boardgame pieces are worse. Most CoolMiniOrNot big box miniature-boardgames have better casts and quality than Warmahordes Z the IVth fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Sep 4, 2017 |
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jng2058 posted:They can swap their default Bolt Pistols for Chainswords to get two attacks each and the Sergeant can get a cheap Power Fist for some extra umph. Toughness 5 will help a lot against most enemy troops as well. Best trick is to use one of the Index Marine Characters, probably a Chaplain or Captain, who can get a bike as well and bodyguard him across the board. Ah, I didn't think of adding a chaplain! Great idea, thanks! Close combat bikers it is.
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So I've been playing quite a few games with my sisters of battle, and I was wondering if anyone here has used Ogryns at all? I am trying to figure out if I should do a unit of 3 Bullgryns in a vehicle + a priest, or if I should footslog a unit of 6 up with a priest.
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DanoTuka posted:I have played Sigmar with my son for a while, but these new Bigmarines caught my eye and I started playing with 8th. Personally I think a lot of the Space Marine models are pretty goofy looking, but these new ones look awesome. I bought a Dark Imperium box for me and the boy, then I bought another Primaris half of the box so I could play 1k+ games. Once they started releasing the other models I really dove in. I disagree these look like Ultramarines, I dig the blue/black it's very
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Black_Nexus posted:So I've been playing quite a few games with my sisters of battle, and I was wondering if anyone here has used Ogryns at all? I use 3 + a priest in a Chimera as a plug for my lines when playing guard. Pretty good. I'm waiting for the Guard Codex before getting anymore, the armament at the moment I predict is a typo that gets fixed. (The ability to mix and match between their combat weapons/shields).
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Yeast posted:I use 3 + a priest in a Chimera as a plug for my lines when playing guard. Pretty good. I'm waiting for the Guard Codex before getting anymore, the armament at the moment I predict is a typo that gets fixed. (The ability to mix and match between their combat weapons/shields). Yeah I was thinking of using a Taurox, mostly because I got one in the get started box and I don't feel like having my storm troopers ride in one when they can deep strike wherever the gently caress they want
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Z the IVth posted:At this point the only plastic toy making companies who produce better fitting plastic are Lego and Bandai (who can do single cast, multi-plastic, articulated parts). I don't think even the other Japanese companies are doing stuff as good as GW these days. I'd add that Dreamforge is only slightly below GW for plastic quality. I grabbed some Valkir Assault squads a couple years back and was really surprised.
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Black_Nexus posted:Yeah I was thinking of using a Taurox, mostly because I got one in the get started box and I don't feel like having my storm troopers ride in one when they can deep strike wherever the gently caress they want I'll probably end up moving them to a Taurox one I get some painted up too. I'm just lazy. I find foot slogging Ogryns get poo poo on, mainly because they're such an easy target for any multi damage firepower.
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Shadin posted:People can dislike the theme and the style all they want, but anyone saying that another manufacturer working with polystyrene, or other inferior plastics, is within ten years of GW is just trying really hard to justify their personal boycott. This 100 percent. Kings of War looks like an amazing game mechanically, but one look at their model line just murders any interest of anyone wanting to get into cool block based fantasy battles. It made way more sense back when they were making rules to help feed off the scraps of GW obliterating WHFB. Their dead zone terrain is really good though. Just wish they hadn't poisoned their relationship with retailers. Would love to purchase locally. Oh well. 
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I stopped reading the thread just before the first 8th edition codex was released. How much do the new codexes add? Are they similar to the old codexes and add a lot more rules or are they just tweaked versions of what we got in the indexes plus a few wargear artifacts?
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Their dead zone terrain is really good though. Just wish they hadn't poisoned their relationship with retailers. Would love to purchase locally. Oh well. Just curious, how'd they tank their retailer relations?
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Also for Dreamforge buyers - how hard is it to un-reich those models? There's torso pieces and officer heads I'd love in my guard army, but I'm uncomfortable with a lot of the iconography. Do the plastics take a knife/sander well?
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Retailers hate kickstarter with obvious reasons. Mantic has been trying to fix it but it's not easy.
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Sharks Dont Sleep posted:I disagree these look like Ultramarines, I dig the blue/black it's very Thanks! I felt a little like stripping them cause they weren't dark enough but I told my self to finish the Captain before making any choices, and he sold me on the theme. I'm working on the Chaplain now
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Probably Deathwatch. It's about 33 Power Rating.
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  Goddamn I love this model, but why the gently caress does he need to have so much poo poo on him. Just details on top of details.
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Zuul the Cat posted:Question for Space Marine players - I've never really ran bikes before, but I just picked up 7 NoS today for $20 (the old 1996 ones). Shooty is better. They're a tough, mobile platform and twn bolters are good. Give them a couple of plasma guns as well and they're a threat to everything on the board.
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Definitely Deathwatch. After that, iirc it's surprisingly Orks.
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Nobody Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallly wants to sell your stuff when the manufacturer has already undercut retail prices significantly on kickstarter. Bones kinda gets away with it because Reaper Bones is already a budget product and everything comes in massive bundles on the bones kickstarters, and the market for the individual bones figures is people wanting something cheap for their DnD game, not people for whom it's worth tracking the model down online for cheaper. Mantic not so much. So retailers aren't really enthusiastic about stocking or supporting rheir stuff.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Kings of War looks like an amazing game mechanically, but one look at their model line just murders any interest of anyone wanting to get into cool block based fantasy battles. It made way more sense back when they were making rules to help feed off the scraps of GW obliterating WHFB. KoW is my primary game and one of the beauties of it is that it's miniature agnostic. Not liking Mantic's lines is fine. It's a mixed bag for sure: they use freelance sculptors, some of the armies are just cringe-worthy (see: Basilea), and the studio paint jobs are often mediocre. But that doesn't mean you can't play! Personally, I accept the less-than-GW quality of minis because I love the game mechanics and the creative freedom in modeling (e.g. no such thing as WYSIWYG, "multibasing" makes units into mini-dioramas, etc). Having recently picked up 40k for 8th after not having played in 20 years and coming from KoW, I am finding it hard to get excited about 40k. That said, I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that the quality of engineering and detail offered by GW sculpts isn't light-years ahead of their minor competitors. But I, personally, don't feel it's enough for me to make 40k anything more than an occasional sideline - and I am someone who loves the modeling aspect of miniature wargaming!
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Quick detachment question just to be clear. If I'm fielding a World Eaters force and I take a detachment of Khorne demons, this doesn't prevent my World Eaters getting all their special rules etc. It just means the demon detachment doesn't benefit from those rules. Right?
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Serotonin posted:Quick detachment question just to be clear. Correct
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Floppychop posted:The molds themselves for injection molding are crazy expensive, and they do wear out eventually. I wouldn't be surprised if each mold cost $100K+. GW molds, combined with their plastic, produce a level of detail which is bleeding edge for any plastics industry. They are indisputably the best at what they do. I doubt that it justifies the price, but they don't have to.
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