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And More posted:He was just some junkie, and the one girlfriend was Shelly's daugther and the other one was Donna's sister. I don't think they hooked into anything in particular. So he was just around to ruin other people and then kill himself? Good metaphor for life, IMO.
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Raxivace posted:That's the point. Cooper will get caught up solving these riddles and mysteries only to become trapped again in new mysteries forever. He's the orb rolling around the infinity symbol. This only seems to be the point of the final episode, if anything. Cooper wasn't exactly super involved in most of this season to begin with. What's the point of all the other things that happened? What was the point of the screaming dude in the cell? And More fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Sep 4, 2017 |
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CJacobs posted:For the people who were wondering about who the actress playing Mrs. Tremond is: She's not an actress, it's the lady who actually owns the house in real life. that explains the sub par acting
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Raxivace posted:Like, Cooper couldn't save Stephen from killing himself. It's ok, I think we are all glad of that at least
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No Mods No Masters posted:Whole lotta orbs on this show 
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No Mods No Masters posted:The moral is, the best you can do is act on your base desires with complete naivete (Dougie). The moment you try to understand or manipulate the universe, you're instantly and profoundly doomed What about Hawk, who understands more about the universe than anyone else on the whole cast but doesn't get disappeared or go insane or ruin the world?
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No Mods No Masters posted:The moral is, the best you can do is act on your base desires with complete naivete (Dougie). The moment you try to understand or manipulate the universe, you're instantly and profoundly doomed I'd be down for a Dougie spinoff season.  CJacobs posted:What about Hawk, who understands more about the universe than anyone else on the whole cast but doesn't get disappeared or go insane or ruin the world? He knows not to gently caress with that stuff. That's why when Cooper enters the lodge, Hawk is nowhere to be seen.
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CJacobs posted:What about Hawk, who understands more about the universe than anyone else on the whole cast but doesn't get disappeared or go insane or ruin the world? He gets to listen to the log lady get old and die miserably. He too would have been happier as a low animal, a beast without reason
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CJacobs posted:What about Hawk, who understands more about the universe than anyone else on the whole cast but doesn't get disappeared or go insane or ruin the world? Hawks minds his own business.
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Just got to the end of the finale and man I really like that. I don't get it, its a fine ending to either continue off of or to just leave it on. Dale clearly failed in his mission there and the disheartening look on his face as he realized it when talked to Mrs Tremond was really well done.
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CJacobs posted:What about Hawk, who understands more about the universe than anyone else on the whole cast but doesn't get disappeared or go insane or ruin the world? Hawk knows stories and legends, not the reality of what they entail. Knowing about the concept of the Black Lodge is very different from experiencing it.
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Raxivace posted:Even though Cooper is a well meaning guy that genuinely wants to help people and seems to change whatever individuals he runs into for the better, he can't do bring about that change on a macro level. The world is still an overall lovely place. It's a lovely place but that doesn't mean good people like Cooper can't try. He has succeeded more often than not in events he was an active participant. And while he gets in over his head, especially in this season, its with the help of others that things turn out OK. It's why I don't agree with all the endless cycle/nightmare theories because it delves down into fatalism and, in some, nihilism. Up to that point, this show has been anything but, which is why the ending is so... jarring to me. It kind of runs contrary to how I saw the series up to that point.
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I don't think it was a dream, I think there are 2 realites and Cooper passed between them in his quest to find Laura. He did this by traveling with Mike through whatever they walked through. The house "Richard" found Laura in was the same one Matthew Lillard and his wife got called to by major briggs. it is a lodge house/portal, i think it is a black lodge given the dirty hairy men hanging around in Gordon Cole's dimension. At one point in the finale when we are in the white lodge ( i assume it is the white lodge b/c garland briggs and the fireman are both here) the fireman seems to be viewing a slide show of places we know are portals/lodges, and the Palmer house comes up. At the very end as they are in front of the "not palmer house" we can hear the faint whisper "Laura" in Sarah Palmer's voice before Laura screams. I'm pretty sure this Laura has been kept in this dimension by black lodge entities and when she gets close enough to a white lodge portal (her house) it awakens her and reminds her who she really is. why is she a prisoner you ask? Because she is the one as the fireman put it. what that means i don't know. I think it was Leland (right after Bob left him and he was crying ) who mentioned that the black lodge entities were trying to get into Laura but she wouldn't let them and she was strong at resisting them so maybe the black lodge spirits are keeping her there because she could actually end all of them somehow. Also Mrs. Tremont is the old lady with the magician grand son, both confirmed lodge spirits. so it would make sense that they have residence in the palmer house portal.
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And More posted:What was the point of the screaming dude in the cell? Chad trying to break out, murder Andy etc. when he did is what causes One Punch Man to break out when he did to stop Chad, which puts him in position to help everyone fight Mr. C.
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And More posted:What was the point of the screaming dude in the cell? To be incredibly disconcerting and hard to look at, I had a hard time keeping my eyes on the screen whenever a shot cut to him.
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I can't get it out of my head that the girl scrawling and screaming in the roadhouse is really similar to Laura screaming. I can't really find a clear connection though.
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"The possibility that love is not enough" turned out to be fearsomely meaningful.
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My struggle right now is that, in this show, we learned the lesson of don't gently caress with extra-dimensional beings who may or may not represent emotional longings at the end of S2 and at the end of S3 it's just a confirmation of yep, you should have not hosed with extra-dimensional beings to fix your emotional issues. I've adored S3 but that's a tough ending to hang on. I've loved so many scenes this season but if this is the end, what was the point?
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Jimbot posted:It's a lovely place but that doesn't mean good people like Cooper can't try. He has succeeded more often than not in events he was an active participant. And while he gets in over his head, especially in this season, its with the help of others that things turn out OK. From the present? Yes. From the past? I don't think so. My understanding of Buddhism is tremendously, laughably limited, but this strikes me as a view perfectly in line with Lynch's meditative practices. The past is gone - let go of it.
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Mr. Grumpybones posted:Odessa, Texas is home to the world's largest jack rabbit. finally, the last piece is in place
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In all seriousness, I do think Dougie wraps around to being the point of it all. In a horrible world full of horrible poo poo, the best you can do is keep your head down, enjoy the simple things, and follow your intuition. Beyond that you're probably not going to do much more than cause yourself and others pain, one way or another.
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And More posted:What exactly is "wrapping things up", in your opinion? The Return ends in a moment of complete confusion. If Lord of the Rings is the most wrapped up a story can get with every character getting their little send-off, then this was very un-wrapped up. I think we just have a disagreement on what "wrapping things up" means. For me, it means that the basic narrative arc was completed. Cooper's naivete and good heart leading him even further away from where he started, and that the lodge spirits will continue to cause pain as long as we produce garmonbozia for them. If that LOTR style of plot resolution is something you enjoy, obviously this show doesn't provide that, but that's a matter of taste. I know I certainly don't.
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Jimbot posted:It's a lovely place but that doesn't mean good people like Cooper can't try. He has succeeded more often than not in events he was an active participant. And while he gets in over his head, especially in this season, its with the help of others that things turn out OK. Raxivace fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Sep 4, 2017 |
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  Rageaholic Monkey posted:We never found out what the addict girl with the kid screaming “119” was about, did we? It doesn't matter. That's the point. It's bleak and it doesn't matter because it's not you.
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it no joke must be incredible to be a creative person who lacks the ability to give a poo poo what people think of your work
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And More posted:What was the point of the screaming dude in the cell? i think the "drunk" was another doppelganger, all he did was repeat what everyone else said, and he was strangely deteriorating. That or he was just a crazy drug addict hooked on the twin peak's bath salts.
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FauxLeather posted:Right now the biggest plot thread I want tied up is; those deep fried guns, did they or didn't their bullets go off...?? Deep fried guns are the new box of spiders. Never thought that would be a sentence anybody would ever utter but well, here we are
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oneforthevine posted:From the present? Yes. From the past? I don't think so. Yeah, but who says he's working to fix the past? Cooper was clearly on to something or else we wouldn't have had the shot of Sarah going apeshit on Laura's picture. Laura looks like she's the antithesis to Mother. Cooper was taking her home when Laura disappeared, thanks to Mother interfering. So he went where she went and took her home. I don't think the thread is giving Cooper enough credit. He's doing things that these entities aren't liking and I think he's succeeding in it. He falters and only when he's alone did he outright fail (at the end of season 2) but the finale, something happened and I don't think it was something bad (for him or Laura). He brought her home and she crashed the entire illusion or reality or whatever it was.
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Blockhouse posted:it no joke must be incredible to be a creative person who lacks the ability to give a poo poo what people think of your work I think Lynch does care, he just doesn't allow it to shape how he makes his art. There isn't a lot of fanservice in this season, but there's enough there to show that he wanted to make us at least somewhat happy.
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