botany posted:

me: "the soviets and the US invaded korea, split it up against the wishes of the people and caused untold suffering."

you: "look he's defending stalin."

the soviets are just as much to blame here as the US, and i'm absolutely not defending north korea as it currently stands, it's a rogue state that's a clear and present danger, and kim jong-il is a fucker of the first degree. all i'm saying is that all this poo poo started when the decision was made to split a country that wanted to be united and sovereign, and that the north korean invasion has to be understood as a result of that.

Chilichimp posted:

loving obviously.

TeenageArchipelago posted:

I think I see avocado and bacon or ham too? I don't actually know, I just googled "open faced sandwich" and went with the best looking one there.

e: just because that is what I googled doesn't mean that google isn't wrong



agreed

Xae posted:

You're defending the Kim family by claiming they were selflessly fighting for reunification.

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

https://twitter.com/Blood362/status/904622319569694722

botany posted:

i'm very specifically not doing that. i'm talking about the korean citizens, both in the north and the south, and what they wanted. because those are people, and what they want seems to get lost a lot in the discussion.

botany posted:

yes the north koreans had agency. yes they chose to invade. they were fighting for reunification, and the only reason you couldn't let that stand was because you were worried about communism.

Eox posted:

So what are the odds on America loving up NAFTA negotiations so bad that the balance gets tilted heavily in favour of Canada and Mexico? I figure it'll get killed via tweet or backfire to everyone else's benefit.

Eox posted:

So what are the odds on America loving up NAFTA negotiations so bad that the balance gets tilted heavily in favour of Canada and Mexico? I figure it'll get killed via tweet or backfire to everyone else's benefit.

Charlz Guybon posted:

Florida is hosed if this happens

Xae posted:

When Tax Reform fails I figure Trump will start taking a personal interest in the NAFTA renegotiation and poo poo will quickly go down hill.

If we're lucky Canada adds 50 new provinces.

botany posted:

me: "the soviets and the US invaded korea, split it up against the wishes of the people and caused untold suffering."

you: "look he's defending stalin."

the soviets are just as much to blame here as the US, and i'm absolutely not defending north korea as it currently stands, it's a rogue state that's a clear and present danger, and kim jong-il is a fucker of the first degree. all i'm saying is that all this poo poo started when the decision was made to split a country that wanted to be united and sovereign, and that the north korean invasion has to be understood as a result of that.

A big flaming stink posted:

remember the part where we literally ran out of houses to bomb in Korea, and then bombed the loving dam to flood them, and then decided to bomb the rubble again? but it's ok because truman stopped macarthur from nuking them and killing hundreds of thousands with regular bombs totally doesn't count.

Krispy Kareem posted:

So...war then?

I think Seoul changed hands 4 times. It was a loving murder machine of a war on both sides, but the side that invaded and their big friend that senselessly poured excess men into the grinder deserve at least 51% of them blame.

It sucks for the average Korean that has been a Cold War pawn for 70 years though. They have to be ranked just below Poland for the "getting continuously hosed by other countries" award.

Alterian posted:

Wow another mostly Polish olive skinned tone woman who tans at a drop of a hat who gets mistaken for "Mexican" during the summer months. This is the first summer I've actually had this happen and I thought it was an anomaly. I had moved to a different part of town. Where I lived previously was a lot more diverse and now I live in a predominantly white area.

Krispy Kareem posted:

So...war then?


It sucks for the average Korean that has been a Cold War pawn for 70 years though. They have to be ranked just below Poland for the "getting continuously hosed by other countries" award.

SocketWrench posted:

Well, it's not that simple though.
Both sides wanted Korea to be a free country, but the joint conference stated Korea had to wait 5 years as a trustee thing. Koreans got pissed. Seeing that the joint conference couldn't make headway the US and UN decided to hold elections for leadership of Korea which the soviets refused to accept because it was seen as unfair to them. The elections went ahead and the soviets followed suit. This is why both countries split. They were just zones of occupation in a single country prior, but when the soviets determined they didn't have a fair shake in elections, they set their own power in their zone and the lines became borders.
After this Kim Il Sun spent his time trying to find ways of invading and taking South Korea. Eventually Stalin gave him the ok and war began

Xae posted:

TeenageArchipelago posted:

So if florida gets flattened how hard are insurance companies going to get hit? I get that there is insurance insurance, so there is no risk of them going under, but between Dallas, Hong Kong, and now maybe florida it seems like it has been a bad time to try and make off of insurance

bobjr posted:

How was Rob Ford elected? Was it kinda like Trump where a joke candidate became a horrifying reality?

i am harry posted:

I'm a bike ride's distance to the front range west of Denver and the mountains have been missing for days.

Solaris 2.0 posted:

Worked out well enough in the end for those south of the DMZ.

Inferior Third Season posted:

The only group stupid enough to provide coverage for flooding is the American taxpayer, so insurance companies are not going to have to pay out for most of the damage from Harvey.

Shifty Pony posted:

It is really bad pretty much from Denver west to the coast.

I was at Mt Rainier last Monday. This is what that view is normally:



This is a photo I took at the exact same location:



Flying back to Austin on Saturday I don't think there was any point between takeoff and the NM/TX border that you couldn't see at least one smoke plume from the plane window.

botany posted:

sure, that's all correct. i'd add that when the south koreans rioted because they didn't want to be divided and occupied, the US-SK leadership started banning political parties and declaring martial law. the election was also boycotted by a good number of south korean politicians, not just the soviet faction.

look, at the end of the day the only reason i'm talking about this is because i see some posters here calling for military intervention, and the whole thing started with a military intervention and occupation. to me, the whole korean disaster is another example of world powers looking at smaller foreign nations and going "hold on there, i don't like what you're doing, let me stick my dick in and make everything worse". my concern is for the citizens of the koreas, i have no interest in defending kim jong-il or his son. i hope that's clear now. so in the interest of those citizens, let's maybe not start another war.


see above

Krispy Kareem posted:

Until now, maybe.

And that's only relatively recently. Their parents and grandparents lived in a South that was poorer than the North.

Mustached Demon posted:

This map here's the loving scary part.

I live in Boise. We normally can see the sawtooths (western edge of Rockies basically) crystal clear. Right now it's just haze. Looks like old pictures of LA or urban China for fucks sake. If I remember I'll snag a picture in the morning.

Boon posted:

If I was a state, I'd think twice before denying climate change. Hurricanes seem to not be taking kindly to that sort of thing anymore.

Sephyr posted:

I don't know if it they just assumed I came from one of the 'right' (european) countries or because they just assumed I was a tourist while she was obviously living there long-term and therefore an irritant. Likely both. This was several years ago, so I wonder how much worse it got now.

Krispy Kareem posted:

I have a friend whose part Polish, part Puerto Rican. So yeah, the only way she'd look more Mexican is if you gave her a sombrero and a swarthy mustache.

Solaris 2.0 posted:

Gah someone here help me, my google-fu is failing.

Basically, NYT had an excellent article on how utterly hosed Florida cities, in this case Tampa, are if they take a direct hit from a major hurricane. This is because the Republican shitbags down there have been so focused on selling out to developers without any thought towards climate change, flooding, hurricanes, ect.

coyo7e posted:

He was just your classic mob-style sleazy corrupt politician who walked around and pressed the flesh a lot and got things done for individual constituents. everybody loved him despite the fact that they all kind of suspected he was drunk all the time, even after the tape of him smoking crack, surfaced.

Liquid Communism posted:

Jesus loving Christ Twitter is terrible to try and read anything in.

enraged_camel posted:

I don't understand why people don't just type up their paragraphs or stories or whatever and just post screenshots of them. While those are still lovely (hey, maybe you shouldn't use Twitter if you want to post a loving blog!) they are much preferable to these "threads".

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Nobody reads blogs any more, they're dead much like non Reddit forums

Shifty Pony posted:

It is really bad pretty much from Denver west to the coast.

I was at Mt Rainier last Monday. This is what that view is normally:



This is a photo I took at the exact same location:



Flying back to Austin on Saturday I don't think there was any point between takeoff and the NM/TX border that you couldn't see at least one smoke plume from the plane window.