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tweet my meat: Oct 2, 2013; yospos

Rarity posted:

Ep 5:

Jesus, I thought for sure they were about to job Kairi out after that 450 splash

That was a great match start to finish. Bianca is awesome in the ring and I love that hair whip thing she does, I definitely thought that the match was over when she hit that 450, it felt like the finale. I don't think it's possible to not mark out when Kairi calls her shot on Sailing the Seas.

# ? Sep 4, 2017 22:10

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# ? May 23, 2024 05:20

Chinston Wurchill: Jun 27, 2010; It's not that kind of test.

Bianca really impressed me for her level of experience.

Super disappointed that Shayna didn't choke out Stephanie in the ceremony.

Also disappointed that the WWE Network thumbnails for later episodes spoiled earlier ones for me. Ah well. Just don't look closely when navigating if you don't want to see who wins the quarter finals.

# ? Sep 4, 2017 22:39

Gaz-L: Jan 28, 2009

tweet my meat posted:

This is some good wrestling and I really hope a lot of these women get signed to breathe some new life into the women's division.

I really like Kairi Sane, but I feel like her whole gimmick could be tweaked a little bit to make her come across as more of a threat, a bit less pirate at a kid's birthday party and a bit more actual pirate I guess. Keep the pirate stuff though I love that gimmick. That elbow drop is something to behold and she's still probably my personal favorite out of the bracket.

I also hope we get a lot more big women in the mix. I wanna see some solid women's hoss matches in WWE and there aren't a lot of big motherfuckers on the roster right now.

She's basically an anime pirate, which is almost exactly the right tone to strike. And I adore the whole look and music, it's so different than anyone else on the roster that it immediately screams to pay attention to her.

# ? Sep 4, 2017 22:41

DM Punk: Aug 24, 2004

The commentary is a BIT better in these later rounds, but I feel like JR kept going back to the same talking points for each woman. It got really annoying by the semi final matches.

# ? Sep 4, 2017 22:51

Gaz-L: Jan 28, 2009

DM Punk posted:

The commentary is a BIT better in these later rounds, but I feel like JR kept going back to the same talking points for each woman. It got really annoying by the semi final matches.

Lita's the same, I think she said that bit about young girls not knowing to be intimidated about 4 times in ep 5 and 6.

This is where the CWC commentary team shone, because Mauro, Bryan and even Corey would certainly have followed guys like ZSJ, Ibushi and Metalik enough to know more than what's bullet-pointed on a sheet of A4.

# ? Sep 4, 2017 22:57

Aphrodite: Jun 27, 2006

My favorite Lita moment so far is her continuing to talk about how a head kick has just given Abbey the advantage, while Rachel is already back on her feet throwing forearms at her and about to land a super powerslam.

# ? Sep 4, 2017 23:06

Gaz-L: Jan 28, 2009

Ep7:

GARGANO ESCAPE!!!! :aaaaa:

# ? Sep 4, 2017 23:17

Mukaikubo: Mar 14, 2006; "You treat her like a lady... and she'll always bring you home."

Yo I watched the first MYC episode and really liked it, but I don't think I'm going to have time to binge the other seven eps before the final airs. Anyone have up a set of recommendations for each episode on the very good matches I should watch? I'll try to see everything, I just might run out of time and want to watch the finals live

# ? Sep 4, 2017 23:39

Gaz-L: Jan 28, 2009

Mukaikubo posted:

Yo I watched the first MYC episode and really liked it, but I don't think I'm going to have time to binge the other seven eps before the final airs. Anyone have up a set of recommendations for each episode on the very good matches I should watch? I'll try to see everything, I just might run out of time and want to watch the finals live

The main events and the Baszler match from the first 4 are probably the 'important' ones from the first round.

# ? Sep 4, 2017 23:42

DM Punk: Aug 24, 2004

In non MYC news, Sexy Star has doubled down on her innocence and now claims Rosemary was never hurt.

http://stillrealtous.com/sexy-star-shares-lengthy-statement-explaining-happened-rosemary-triplemania/

quote:

�Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, September 4, 2017

First of all, I want to thank the people that have been with me in these past few days, which have been turned into a nightmare and became one of the most difficult moments of my career and personal life.

As some of you know, this past Saturday, August 26, I was present at the TripleMania XXV event in the Mexico City Arena to fulfill a championship match for the AAA promotion, of which I have been signed as an independent worker so that I can keep using the mask and character of Sexy Star, which is the character I have portrayed for the last 11 years.

At first, I was informed that I would be fighting in a Reina de Reinas title match in a one-on-one match against a female Mexican wrestler from one of the nearby promotions. But a few days before the event, I was told that they would be including two more wrestlers into the match, one of whom belonged to the North American promotion Global Force Wrestling. AAA brought this wrestler, whom up to my knowledge, has never wrestled in Mexico or at least with one of the major Mexican promotions, and I just met this wrestler mere minutes before we went up to the ring to have the match that she was signed onto.

As I have been doing for more than 10 years, as I reached the arena, I met with those that I will be wrestling with so that we can coordinate the match that we would present to the public, being that AAA are the ones responsible for making this happen.

Since it has been tradition whenever I go out and wrestle with people I have never worked with, especially foreigners �the wrestling styles change between countries�I would tend to favor wrestling a more American style. I asked if what we had planned out would be fine with them, or if they would like to change something so that they may feel safer in the ring.

Those that have worked with me know that I have always done things that way, with the idea of protecting everyone working with me and myself from any type of incident, not just out of etiquette and the values instilled upon me at home, which include compatriotism, but to be on constant alert of the dangers that wrestlers face every time they step into the ring, be it their first match or match No. 100. I want to clarify that [Rosemary], at no point, asked me to change anything that we would present, something that is very important to me. So I did what she knew and I had control of everything that we would do. The talent coordinator for AAA gave the �ok� to do our match without any prior meetings to change anything.

The moment of the match came, I made my way to the match to wrestle the way I have habitually done in front of the wrestling public for many years, with the same style, fury, and energy that has characterized �Sexy Star� in each of her fights.

The match came to its conclusion, and when I tapped out [Rosemary] with the submission that was agreed and selected upon, which is also one of the least dangerous submission moves in the danger range that I have applied and have been applied to repeatedly. At least that�s how it has always been.

At the end of the show and after the foreigner was walking under her own power without medical assistance, our protocol continued, and I was handed the title belt by Martha Villalobos, whom I have deep admiration and even first showed me the ropes of the wrestling sport, whom I love with all of my heart, and has made me be constantly prepared my body to handle bumps and submissions. Very few people know the secrets of professional wrestling and if I reveal any of them in this letter, it is for the security of my integrity and for the respect earned throughout my professional and personal life. I can�t stress this enough, I will only say that those who have conserved their careers through the highs and lows, falling and getting right back up, with injuries and being bloodied, know what I am referring to.

Twenty minutes after I was handed my belt, I went to the locker room in which I was bombarded by Global Force Wrestling representatives who have had a working relationship with AAA, saying that the wrestler I submitted suffered an apparent injury in their native language, something that surprised me because, as previously stated, she walked down from the ring without any help.

Immediately, and not just out of etiquette, but also because I was worried, I went to her to see if she was okay and I see her with another person, standing up in the room where the production monitors are located, with just a bag of ice on her elbow. There was nobody tending to her nor did she have anything to help her, which is a security protocol in the event somebody is suspected to have an injury. She wasn�t even sitting down and that put my mind at ease because I did not see anything wrong with her with my own two eyes. The talent coordinator for AAA reiterated that everything was fine and so, I left the venue with my husband with the tranquility and security that everything was going to be fine. I did not get any indication from Dorian Roldan, the owner of AAA, that something was amiss and I suppose if that is the case, then he wouldn�t have let me leave without resolving any type of potential situation.

People also need to know that I have never received any medical news, or any radiography that exists, which shows any injury to the wrestler in question.

I didn�t worry about the situation because I repeat, and I saw her with my own two eyes, I did not see that she was injured and that she wasn�t being tended to by medical personnel, much less need to have the use of medical equipment if she was injured. In my professional wrestling career, I have seen injuries, and I have been victim to accidents and believe me, nothing of the sort happened at the Reina de Reinas title match that night at TripleMania XXV.

The next day, I started to receive, on social media, a series of cyber attacks, which included an aggressive letter, written by this North American wrestler, who was already back in her home country, stating that I intentionally injured her, without showing proof of any kind, medical or other, and she only wrote it in text without showing her face or voice.

In this letter, a lot was unraveled, from male and female wrestlers from North America whom I have never worked with, much less be in the place that night. They have written about my supposed anti-professionalism, using words from [Rosemary�s letter], which has already been retweeted more than 4,000 times.

The bullying on social media only kept growing and even bloggers and media outlets, who were not present, who did not cover the event, outlets who don�t even work in Mexico, could not keep themselves from writing phrases such as �She dislocated her shoulder� or �She intentionally broke her arm,� confirming the alleged injury, and only using [Rosemary�s] letter on Twitter and the ending of the match through various angles as their only source. At no point did they look at the injured woman walking down the ring under her own power and using her hands. Some even assured that what I did was both wrong and intentional. Many members of the media and columnists online were not consistent and some mentioned that the injury was on her elbow, some said it was her shoulder that got injured and some said it was the whole arm.

I assure you in the video that is being circulated around the web, all that you see is me portraying Sexy Star making the submission move using the same energy and fury that is characterized by this character, in the same manner, and force without letting go seconds after the referee rang the bell, just as Sexy Star has always done. I can show that this submission has been done in plenty other occasions in the same exact manner and force with other wrestlers, including one of Sexy Star�s recent matches on [Lucha Underground]. I assure you that the wrestler who got the submission that time, with proof, did not suffer any injury because, as I have insisted, is one of the submission moves that, within the danger range, is one of the least risky and I have at no point, tried to misuse it to injure anybody.

This past August 30, I fulfilled 11 years inside the wrestling ring, a sport in which I have given my life, and my body, without being figurative, has suffered tons of damage because in this sport, if you have a career like I have been blessed with, you don�t rest. For wrestling, I have always had respect, respect that I exercise when taking care of my fellow wrestlers without exception and I will keep doing that, without caring the nationality or if they are aware of the respect that I inherited from my parents, my teachers, and teachers of this profession, people with dynasties inside Mexican wrestling, where the sport was born, and I am sure that my wrestling teachers can talk and mention that I have never mishandled any fellow wrestler.

With respect and love to my teachers and fans, who have shown love and care, and to those I owe my career to, especially those that personally know me, I dedicate this letter to you guys because you are the ones who truly deserve to know what truly happened. But above all else, I dedicate this to Sexy Star, a character that was presented to me and I have defended with honor, honesty, respect, integrity, and passion for 11 years. Those same values that belong to me, Dulce Maria Garcia Rivas, and I will not let anybody, without any unverified versions of the story who do not have proof, to discredit that.

-Dulce Maria Garcia Rivas�

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tweet my meat: Oct 2, 2013; yospos

Apparently Candice LeRae is a baker, I'm glad JR is around to really hammer this point home so I wont forget it.

# ? Sep 4, 2017 23:58

DM Punk: Aug 24, 2004

tweet my meat posted:

Apparently Candice LeRae is a baker, I'm glad JR is around to really hammer this point home so I wont forget it.

Candice is a GREAT baker though. She brought cupcakes to AIW a bunch of times and they were amazing.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 00:01

Aphrodite: Jun 27, 2006

DM Punk posted:

In non MYC news, Sexy Star has doubled down on her innocence and now claims Rosemary was never hurt.

http://stillrealtous.com/sexy-star-shares-lengthy-statement-explaining-happened-rosemary-triplemania/

...Does she not know that you can walk with an injured arm?

# ? Sep 5, 2017 00:03

Gaz-L: Jan 28, 2009

"Least dangerous submission"?! Wasn't it a cross armbar?! So she's either lying or an idiot?

# ? Sep 5, 2017 00:04

tweet my meat: Oct 2, 2013; yospos

DM Punk posted:

Candice is a GREAT baker though. She brought cupcakes to AIW a bunch of times and they were amazing.

I don't know if she can hack it in the big leagues. Sure she's an amazing wrestler, but bringing enough cupcakes for a packed RAW show is going to be a whole different ballgame.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 00:06

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

Ep 7:

Candice did a really good job against Shayna. I never thought she had a chance at the start but by the end I would have totally bought it if she'd won

# ? Sep 5, 2017 00:16

Gaz-L: Jan 28, 2009

Rarity posted:

Ep 7:

Candice did a really good job against Shayna. I never thought she had a chance at the start but by the end I would have totally bought it if she'd won

This is a more coherent version of my post about it. The pop when she got the Gargano Escape on Shayna was ridiculous!

# ? Sep 5, 2017 00:18

tweet my meat: Oct 2, 2013; yospos

Rarity posted:

Ep 7:

Candice did a really good job against Shayna. I never thought she had a chance at the start but by the end I would have totally bought it if she'd won

Yeah, going in I was certain that Shayna was taking the win, but man they put on a hell of a match and had me rethinking it by the end. That midair reversal into the rear naked was an awesome finish. I wasn't huge on Shayna at first, I'm usually a bit wary about the idea of shoot fighting stars going into pro wrestling, but she's one of my favorites now and was doing some great heel work in the ring.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 00:27

oatgan: Jan 15, 2009

i think a heel should win because faces won the last two special tournaments

# ? Sep 5, 2017 00:35

tweet my meat: Oct 2, 2013; yospos

I was honestly a bit worried about the MYC at first since there were some weak matches in the opening batch, but these last few episodes have all been good to great matches back to back.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 00:42

oatgan: Jan 15, 2009

wwe filling half the bracket with people who have no business being on television right now was a stupid decision when they had very talented alternates in town but the release schedule being what it is it wont matter and will be forgotten when people binge the last four

# ? Sep 5, 2017 00:47

Capsaicin: Nov 17, 2004; broof roof roof

the best part of kairi/bianca (and kairi/tessa) was that in round 1 when kairi pointed to her elbow it was almost like "hey everybody! watch this fun elbow drop i'm gonna do!" in the bianca match, when she pointed it was "i am going to kill this bitch"

piper niven and abbey laith area also really good and i hope they do big things

# ? Sep 5, 2017 00:48

Chinston Wurchill: Jun 27, 2010; It's not that kind of test.

Aphrodite posted:

My favorite Lita moment so far is her continuing to talk about how a head kick has just given Abbey the advantage, while Rachel is already back on her feet throwing forearms at her and about to land a super powerslam.

My fave was in Mercedes vs. Shayna when she was trying to say "these women know each other's moves very well" and came up with something like "these women each both know their moves." I think it was actually worse than that but I can't recall the exact phrasing.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 01:42

Saint Freak: Apr 16, 2007; Regretting is an insult to oneself; Buglord

I don't even think 'yachtsperson' is a word.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 03:41

coconono: Aug 11, 2004; KISS ME KRIS

Gaz-L posted:

"Least dangerous submission"?! Wasn't it a cross armbar?! So she's either lying or an idiot?

she's an idiot. even a liar would know to shut up by now.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 03:56

Eltoasto: Aug 26, 2002; We come spinning out of nothingness, scattering stars like dust.

Saint Freak posted:

I don't even think 'yachtsperson' is a word.

Sounds like someone needs to be elbow dropped.

I binged it all and came away very impressed with Belair, she looks like she can do whatever she wants in the ring athletically, and just needs some refinement, beautiful 450. So while the NXT entrants were mostly fodder, I feel like Logan, Belair, and Conte all looked good. Evans too, I just hate the gimmick. I also came away loving Toni Storm, having never seen her, and it's a shame she's unlikely to sign, but she's got to be likely down the road I would think?

Anyways, the horsewomen vs. horsewomen is irritating since any match would be all smoke and mirrors, but it's totally a Wrestlemania thing. I am just not sure what heat Rousey is going to have with the way she went out. Baszler makes sense though, they want a big heel for Sane to fight She's alright, but she's also 38 and this is all to set up a gimmick match, so my feeling is that she should lose and then head straight to the main roster.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 04:13

oatgan: Jan 15, 2009

DM Punk posted:

In non MYC news, Sexy Star has doubled down on her innocence and now claims Rosemary was never hurt.

http://stillrealtous.com/sexy-star-shares-lengthy-statement-explaining-happened-rosemary-triplemania/

https://twitter.com/luchalibreaaa/status/904906026125639680

# ? Sep 5, 2017 04:17

Fresh Like Zafo: May 31, 2012

So how long until she gets it back?

# ? Sep 5, 2017 04:25

Mary Annette: Jun 24, 2005

Ep. 6

Lacey Evans' entrance pop was a single person clapping.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 04:39

flashy_mcflash: Feb 7, 2011

"she likes boating!"
"she's very nautical!"

Guys I'm starting to think that Jim Ross was never good, like what the gently caress are you doing

# ? Sep 5, 2017 04:42

RacistGuidingLight: Apr 5, 2009; by FactsAreUseless

flashy_mcflash posted:

"she likes boating!"
"she's very nautical!"

Guys I'm starting to think that Jim Ross was never good, like what the gently caress are you doing

Pick one:
1: Vince was very essential to his work
2: He thinks he's too good to be there

# ? Sep 5, 2017 04:50

MrBling: Aug 21, 2003; Oozing machismo

3: he was incredibly drunk during the taping.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 04:51

oatgan: Jan 15, 2009

jim ross has been bad at play by play since 2012 and gotten worse every year since then

hes old, disinterested, and people keep paying him to call promotions he doesn't follow with wrestlers he doesn't know

# ? Sep 5, 2017 04:53

rovert: Jun 10, 2013

MrBling posted:

3: he was incredibly drunk during the taping.

Dave Meltzer and Wade Keller think he hasn't skipped a beat.

Bryan Alvarez is baffled~!

# ? Sep 5, 2017 05:03

rovert: Jun 10, 2013

oatgan posted:

jim ross has been bad at play by play since 2012 and gotten worse every year since then

hes old, disinterested, and people keep paying him to call promotions he doesn't follow with wrestlers he doesn't know

But "The Mouth" Dan Lovranski said he hasn't skipped a beat. You are wrong.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 05:05

DarkstarIV: Apr 6, 2010; OFFICIAL RACIST

Lita is just as bad. I hope for the finals (although I'm not holding my breath) they have someone who is competent/interested on commentary. Bring out Graves and Philips or something. Or even McGuiness.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 05:06

oatgan: Jan 15, 2009

Lita amuses me in the Booker T way where they suck but say silly things that keep me listening

# ? Sep 5, 2017 05:08

RacistGuidingLight: Apr 5, 2009; by FactsAreUseless

Jim Ross sounds like he's recording lines for the mid-00s THQ games.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 05:09

Dias: Feb 20, 2011; by sebmojo

Yeah, I feel like JR didn't give a gently caress and just phoned in his commentary (and with the stream quality I was getting it literally sounded phoned in, gently caress my internet connection), especially since Lita is abysmal as a commentator and gave him less than nothing to work with.

As for the episodes (all of them):

I didn't think anything was as good as Logan/Yim, but that match was super solid so no shame in that. Pushing Shayna this hard came as a bit of a surprise to me, I have to say. Maybe I thought she was too green or expected the MYC to basically set up Kairi as the breakout star, but they're really going for the 4HW matchup, huh. I actually like her pseudo-shoot style, I think it works well inside WWE IF her opponent is willing to engage and work stiff. Mercedes/Bazler was basically a strong-style match, and probably my match of the semis. Just two big woman hitting the gently caress out of each other. Bianca Belair has the potential to be a goddamn superstar if this is how good she is with ONE YEAR of experience. Unfortunately she might be more of a comet considering she's 28 and retired from Crossfit due to injuries, but hell, she's, as Scott Steiner would put it, a GENETIC FREAK.

Abbey, Toni and Piper are also pretty good, and I feel like I didn't see enough outta Dakota Kai. Her quarter-finals match felt way too short, and since her R1 was a smoke-and-mirrors affair...Toni is basically ready-made for WWE. She has a great look, good spots and is an okay promo. Lots of in-ring charisma too. Just put her in there and let her kick Emma's rear end until Emma gets back in shape or something. I saw a bit of Abbey's stuff in CHIKARA and I liked her better here, she's a real good babyface and I think WWE needs more of those in the women's division. Piper was just good all-around, her match with Toni was fun.

I guess the story for the finals is that both Kairi and Shayna have insta-kill finishers, with Kairi being more experienced while Bazler is Legit Tough. If they just wanna do a 4HW x 4HW thing, I'd rather have Sane win it. Ronda is famous enough that Shayna will be second fiddle to her regardless. Kairi is probably poised to challenge Asuka for the title, so you could do a champion x champion match if she wins the MYC. I guess you could do the same with Bazler, but I kinda think NXT needs a pure babyface to win that belt for a change, plus if she's gonna be busy with 4HW shenanigans the main roster is a better fit.

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flashy_mcflash: Feb 7, 2011

rovert posted:

But "The Mouth" Dan Lovranski said he hasn't skipped a beat. You are wrong.

Dan Lovranski, while a nice guy irl, hasn't had an interesting idea or opinion about wrestling in 20 years, if ever.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 05:45

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