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Cephas posted:I don't know if this is old news or not but I had a stupid "oh my god" moment earlier. Dougie is short for Douglas. Cooper loves Douglas Firs. No one seemed to really bite on it earlier when I mentioned it, but I realized the other day that Dougie's son is named Jim Jones. I can at least see why Cooper would be named after D.B. Cooper, but the Jim Jones connection baffles me.
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Little Mac posted:I can't really gently caress with theories about how timelines are rendered irrelevant and whatnot. That would be complete bullshit. Not everything has to matter, necessarily, but everything happens. If you have a file on your computer and you delete it, it was on your computer at one time but it's gone now.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:Well yeah, it happened and then the timeline was erased. We do not actually know if it was the same timeline as the one we see in the first two seasons though!
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Sep 5, 2017 05:14
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Raxivace posted:Nice catch, never made the connection myself. maybe David Lynch really likes Dipset
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Raxivace posted:Nice catch, never made the connection myself. It's Sonny Jim Jones not just Jim Jones. No connection, Lynch/Frost would not name a wholesome little boy after a cult leader.
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I see a lot of theories about Odessa Cooper being a tulpa or somewhat evil. I think it's really Cooper but he's in one of those lodge induced hazes sort of like what happened when he was inside of Dougie without his memories just less extreme. Plus, he probably thinks he's surrounded by enemies and doesn't know what's real or fake in the Judy diner which explains why he's so abrupt with the waitress and points his gun at the elderly couple and restaurant staff. He's on a rescue mission.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:Well yeah, it happened and then the timeline was erased. Yeah, I disagree. Like I put forth in my earlier effortpost, I don't see any reason why things can't and don't happen as they normally would.
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Tiffany posted:I see a lot of theories about Odessa Cooper being a tulpa or somewhat evil. I think it's really Cooper but he's in one of those lodge induced hazes sort of like what happened when he was inside of Dougie without his memories just less extreme. Plus, he probably thinks he's surrounded by enemies and doesn't know what's real or fake in the Judy diner which explains why he's so abrupt with the waitress and points his gun at the elderly couple and restaurant staff. He's on a rescue mission. All throughout episode 18, we see first-person shots of driving at night. Up until episode 18, those shots have been frequently and exclusively used to indicate that Booper was driving somewhere.
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Sep 5, 2017 05:31
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He's not Cooper or Booper. He's Richard. Did you guys miss the fact there in a universe where everything is different? Including Cooper.
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Sep 5, 2017 05:36
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Little Mac posted:Yeah, I disagree. Like I put forth in my earlier effortpost, I don't see any reason why things can't and don't happen as they normally would.
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I don't think we should just assume any reality has been destroyed. We have no idea how any of this works.
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still catching up with the thread but I loved every minute of S3 and Ep18 sucked and pissed me off.
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Basticle posted:still catching up with the thread but I loved every minute of S3 and Ep18 sucked and pissed me off.  This is why I love a good Lynch finale like this, because it inspires such reactions
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Sep 5, 2017 05:48
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I do know for a fact Odessa Cooper is not Real Cooper because that man did not use his blinkers when turning.
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caligulamprey posted:I do know for a fact Odessa Cooper is not Real Cooper because that man did not use his blinkers when turning. DOPPELGANGER DETECTED
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Did Windom Earle ever get mentioned in The Return? I'm at least surprised they didn't imply that there were some doppelganger shenanigans going on with him too (unless that was there in S2 and i missed it)?
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kaworu posted:
I'm a big Lynch fan and yeah... the ending is very typical Lynch. Only movies I can think of with a more mainstream ending that he did were Dune and Wild At Heart. "What year is is?" That sticks with me. That and "Got a light?" The quote and the episode. That episode was bloody art. Makes me wish Lynch would do another darker movie that came close to horror. Can completely understand why the ending would irritate some but I dug it. So glad I did a massive rewatch of all things Twin Peaks. As an aside: anyone know where I can stream Lost Highway and Eraserhead? I can borrow a friend's Eraserhead but haven't seen Lost Highway in ages. Remember really liking it. Wore out the soundtrack while driving at night about a decade ago.
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Tim Burns Effect posted:Did Windom Earle ever get mentioned in The Return? I'm at least surprised they didn't imply that there were some doppelganger shenanigans going on with him too (unless that was there in S2 and i missed it)?
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In my headcanon Earle survived his encounter at the black lodge but gave up supervillainy in order to pursue a less glamorous lifestyle extorting money from sexually deprived salarymen in Japan. He now goes by the name of, excuse me, Findom Earle.
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Regarde Aduck posted:He's not Cooper or Booper. He's Richard. Did you guys miss the fact there in a universe where everything is different? Including Cooper. Yeah, that's probably why he's so confused at why Diane is calling him Richard and herself Linda, and why he introduces himself as Agent Dale Cooper later in the same episode.
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Sep 5, 2017 06:36
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I don't mind that they dropped Earle. He never lived up to the way he was described. Not even close.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:The gently caress's wrong with y'all? lol I said I made a mistake and yet you keep quoting that. I'm well aware that it was not the same person, but I maintain that they have identical haircuts and are wearing identical blouses because they are. Alice's hair is straight and the Chromatics' singer's hair is wavy. Alice's blouse has french cuffs and the Chromatics' singer's blouse has frilly cuffs. They're not identical at all.
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romanowski posted:i'm sad that twin peaks is over Same but I'm not even sure I want a season 4. I guess I only want it if Lynch wants it.
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I'd rather have another semi self-contained movie than another season.
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Your Parents posted:Alice's hair is straight and the Chromatics' singer's hair is wavy. Alice's blouse has french cuffs and the Chromatics' singer's blouse has frilly cuffs. They're not identical at all. Like I admit I have mental issues, but y'all have more issues than me which makes me seem sane by comparison and that's kinda loving bonkers
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kaworu posted:
I love every smug rear end in a top hat coming out to deride people who weren't a fan of the ending. I'm coming around on the ending but no need to be a dick about things.
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I knew this would delvole into another "You just don't get itttttt" fake woke arguement. People are so scared to criticize Lynch because he's an underdog but it's unhealthy to not do so. I also knew people would start using their theories for ep 18 as fact when nobody knows poo poo because there's not a way to know what's really going on. He didn't give enough clues and intentionally left things as vague as possible in case they continue the story and because that's how he always envisioned the series going. Unlike his other work which can be dischpered this cannot. Just like someone posted he had to have multiple expostion dumps because things were so muddled.
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The last ten minutes owned because it was like I was slowly being beaten to a bloody pulp and then murdered in the final 30 seconds.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:I like that several posters in the thread are on this crusade to prove me wrong and shame me about this lol Here's a tip about moving past this: Stop Responding. Let it die. Don't even acknowledge this post.
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RBX posted:I knew this would delvole into another "You just don't get itttttt" fake woke arguement. People are so scared to criticize Lynch because he's an underdog but it's unhealthy to not do so. Of course there's no "right" answer because the ending is ambiguous and Lynch doesn't directly spell out how his endings should be interpreted, so any answer is still just going to be a theory, but as with Lynch's previous work, it's absolutely possible that a generally accepted theory that makes sense in context could be constructed. Obviously not everyone will agree on the same interpretation, but it's not like it's completely out of the realm of possibility for people to come up with logical interpretations to this either.
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Don't worry guys, the reason Coop was acting weird after he came out of the lodge at Glastonberry Grove and rode the lightning to Odessa is because he's the tulpa. Real Coop sent the tulpa back to save Laura while he went back home to Vegas to bang Janey-E into his twilight years.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:People can absolutely dislike the finale and I can see why they would, but I don't think "it cannot be deciphered" is a valid argument when essentially it's ambiguous like most of Lynch's other works and within a few hours I was already piecing together a plausible enough explanation to the finale in my mind thanks to various theories that people were coming up with. None of his stuff is that ambiguous though. Twin Peaks season 2 ended in a very clear and concise way. It's a cliffhanger but NOT ambiguous. Mullholland Dr and Lost Highway has a clear story and characters and both are consistent in tone and overall direction. Anybody can come up with a theory as you said but that means nothing to the plain fact that it's no way to know from the text.
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RBX posted:None of his stuff is that ambiguous though. Twin Peaks season 2 ended in a very clear and concise way. It's a cliffhanger but NOT ambiguous. Mullholland Dr and Lost Highway has a clear story and characters and both are consistent in tone and overall direction. I know a lot of people who have seen 1 or 2 of Lynch's movies, thought they were loving stupid and never watched another movie of his. Me? They initially confuse me, which eats away at me and drives me to want to understand them, so I'll watch them multiple times and read theories and take multiple perspectives into account before they finally click for me. But them clicking for me after all that effort makes them way more satisfying to me than, say, an average Hollywood movie where everything is spelled out and there's no real mystery that sticks with you and makes you want to figure it out.
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Been pondering a lot and came up with some important stuff   Bubble Bobble... BOB
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Capntastic posted:Been pondering a lot and came up with some important stuff
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When Diane and Cooper were driving during the daytime, they came to a place that looked like where Bad Cooper crashed his car. They talked about the place like it was the point of no return. Anyone got an idea what it could mean?
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I think it's fair to criticize any piece of media. I think it's a lame copout to respond to a very dense and oblique cliffhanger ending like that to just go I DONT GET IT THAT SUCKED rear end. Like, come on, you've watched -this show- all the way to the end and that's all you have? Part of the fun is using your imagination to try and piece together meaning for yourself, and to interpret all of the ~artsy clues and imagery and symbolism~ spread throughout the mythos built up to this point. Things don't have to be explicitly spelled out and shown on screen to glean meaning from them. We have an entire season's worth of cryptic messages, clues, motifs, and hints from various characters and entities to help us try and ascribe meaning or feelings to what we were shown. It's fair to criticize the show - there's plenty of poo poo to criticize about it, but I don't think it's fair to say something is Bad just because you didn't get what you want. I think that's just kind of missing the point.
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pissdude posted:I think it's fair to criticize any piece of media. I think it's a lame copout to respond to a very dense and oblique cliffhanger ending like that to just go I DONT GET IT THAT SUCKED rear end. Like, come on, you've watched -this show- all the way to the end and that's all you have? Part of the fun is using your imagination to try and piece together meaning for yourself, and to interpret all of the ~artsy clues and imagery and symbolism~ spread throughout the mythos built up to this point. Things don't have to be explicitly spelled out and shown on screen to glean meaning from them. We have an entire season's worth of cryptic messages, clues, motifs, and hints from various characters and entities to help us try and ascribe meaning or feelings to what we were shown. I agree with all of this. I hope no one thinks I thought the end was poo poo. The best part of his stuff is sharing theories just saying when people run with their theory as fact is the problem. Raxivace posted:Cliffhangers by their very nature are ambiguous. How is his fate ambiguous? He's in the lodge and Bob and his dopple left. Him and Bob laugh just like they did in the lodge. We see the dopple catch up with Cooper before he gets through the curtains. There's not mystery except "What will happen next? " Rageaholic Monkey posted:You saying Mulholland Drive and Lost Highway have "clear stories" is basically the same as Lynch saying in interviews that he never intentionally misleads his audience and everything he presents should be easy to decipher. To him? Maybe, but not to a lot of people. You can't expect an average person to watch Mulholland Drive or Lost Highway and think "Wow, that was the clearest narrative I've ever seen." It takes multiple watches and using your brain to actually piece those stories together, at least for me, and I feel like I'm probably putting more effort into understanding Lynch's work than the average person would be. None of that has anything to do with what I said. They have clear stories, it doesn't matter how you get there but the story and what's happening is clear in the text. RBX fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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