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From the same discussion Derek is like that cat that ends up DEAD IN AN ALLEY. Amirite guys? Awesome Fidelity fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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Awesome Fidelity posted:From the same discussion So...they're the dogs barking at a dead cat in this analogy?
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less than three posted:Who pays I paid  just to post in the Star Citizen thread. This thread is attempting to do groundbreaking posting that has never been done before. What other thread development has ever been this open? Sure, you go post in all those lovely other threads that come out half-finished, then want MORE posts to add stuff that should have been in the OP, and you just lap it all up, don't you. Well, all those other threads are terrified of what we're doing here, because if it comes off, this will be the only thread anyone ever needs to post in. And even if this thread never takes off (and it will, trust me), I'll still have got my money's worth. It's just disposable income to me, I'm well off, I don't miss it, and I certainly wouldn't ask for a refund as that was an investment and a donation all wrapped up together in a community that is making history every single day, but some people just want to troll and harass the visionaries, don't they, "less than three". I'm archiving your poo poo on /r/lessthanthree so the whole world can see your pathetic hate boner. You are dismissed.
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Mr Fronts posted:I paid the BDTODGCF if you will
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Meanwhile, in the world of game developers who actually know how to produce games, new SCORN gameplay video!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gug_0mNhg4k The Serbian studio producing this game needs additional funds and started a Kickstarter. They say they have gotten most of their financial support so far from partnering with USA based Humble Bundle. "For the past two years, our team has been working hard on the development of Scorn. Our studio has grown to over 20 people and we have entered the financial partnership with Humble Bundle, which helped us immensely at the time. We are getting close to completion of Part 1, but we’re not really satisfied with all the aspects of the game. After much internal deliberation, we decided that it would be the best to try and acquire additional resources, taking more time to polish the game and really make it shine, rather than releasing something we’re not entirely happy with. If we succeed in raising additional funds through this campaign we plan to release the game in 2018." They plan to release the game in Q4 2018 DRM free! UH OH.... FEATURE CREEP!! "150K – GOAL REACHED! We can spend more time working on the game and deliver the full Scorn experience just like we envisioned it. 175K – We will create an immersive VR level for the ultimate experience of the world and atmosphere of Scorn. 200K – Two additional enemy types will be developed and added to the game. 250K – Additional location and content will be added to the game if we get this far. 300K – ???" Highest tier Kickstarter Pledge is $300. Who the gently caress would pay that much for a game?!? Anyway you can see the game has got a heavy Cronenberg and Giger influence.
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Mne nravitsya posted:No it doesn't. If you want to make your dreams, go start your own independent company. Look at all the indie games that are successful. Your can have your creativity (and there is some great stuff out there) and make a living off it. But, If you want to work in the big machines of the 150+ million dollar AAA business: You start as a cog, because the machine is huge. I might seem a bit blunt and jaded, but part of that comes from exactly what you are all so upset about : Many of us have tried to change things a few times in our industry careers, and many of us were either punished, branded as malcontents, blackballed, or found unemployment on the other end. Even worse is when you do make a change that makes the team better and people are happier, then the game you make fails to meet projections, and you are all let go. Then, sadly, the magic of what was changing is now lost and scattered - while you go to the next company to work, and they tell you that "This is how we do it here: there's your desk" But i do feel like independent development is risky, as competition is hard and you need to have truly unique idea to succeed. I actually think the fault lies in consumer. Why do people support AAA development? why are people putting all eggs in one basket? why do people in general trust these big ad's that are mostly lies. just look at all the AAA game that have been made recently. new thief is crap assassins creed has been same for decades now prince of persian flopped. battlefield 1 seems boring battlefront is reskinned battlefield now far cry has started descent towards mediocrity division was mediocre CoD has become mediocre (i miss single player story focused CoD  )disclaimer most of these opinions are based upon quick looks at gameplay in youtube. I haven't bought a AAA game for pc in this decade, because i know AAA doesn't include quality. ( I however did buy botw for WiiU) I dont have uplay or origin infesting my pc. The whole AAA industry is based upon big lies, and showy cinematic demos. But i feel like its not developers fault, i feel like its consumers fault for believing in lies, and having impossible fantasies. Dark Off fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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Sarsapariller posted:Hey all, shill-posting from about 10 pages behind: the Skywanderers kickstarter is live. That's the minecraft/lego-esque space game with mechs, ring worlds, hyperspace travel, and really cool interactive ship systems already in place. This game exists already, several times over. What is special about this particular version?
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aleksendr posted:You hoard CCU so you dont have to buy every ship at concept sale (when nobody know how it will end up, even the number of seats get changed sometime) but you still want to have LTI for the day the hull get released and is good. That is a nice force-buy scam they have going there, then. I thought they stopped all that poo poo ages ago with something like a 'token'?
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I've invented a way of determining how to measure cig feature creep and delay. Every dollar spent is 1 second of design debt. This is an official theorem and we can now discover the exact second cig will implode.
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https://robertsspaceindustries.com/orgs/ENR0N 
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Dark Off posted:I actually think the fault lies in consumer. Why do people support AAA development? Money talks and IP is a very powerful money generator. I'm sure that game companies have skeleton swat teams that prototype games and they have proper dev project management teams to manage these prototype deliverables to see if they would work as a product. 90% of these projects won't / dont see the light of day, and we won't even know they exist. But know that these projects are funded by on going sales of games. And not presales of ship jpegs. Companies are safe churning out what works, because it gives stability and it pays the bills. To us, It's just another CoD.
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In the last 500 years, the Fourth Stimpire has dominated four systems, which it has united into one starzone, Stimsis. The Fourth Stimpire has origins from the Ten Empire War in which 10 of the United Stimpires revolted against each rules. All empires except for the fourth swore freedom upon their citizens. There is no free speech in the Fourth Stimpire, and all self-controlled transportation has been made illegal without undergoing painful medical verification methods, in which arteries are severed without pain resistant, operated entirely by machines. The way they work claim to be the most hygenic and healthy way possible, but these machines often rub against pain points, causing great deals of pain to patients. The heart is then extracted from the body and placed into a glass grinding machine. Various energy centers are also dissected and replaced with dangerous transplants. After the painful, 52 hour surgical procedure, patients will then have to use a fused guidance tool, which pumps painful resistors into the body every 2 hours. The pain they have caused is so bad, the victim would freeze in a tense position. They would then collapse afterwards. Sexual stimulation in any way within the grounds of the Fourth Stimpire is strictly prohibited, and anyone detected even touching their sexual organs will be subjected to a penectomy or if the offender was a female, they would then have a razor inserted into their ovaries. They would pump a blue solution into the womb until the stitchings burst. Offenders would also be forced to show their operated areas in public, and they would always harass and punch them to a pulp, against their will. Otherwise, offenders would be tazed with the worst type of electricity in the systematic district, causing so much pain, the victim would scream and flail in madness. The pain would also triple every second, but no death would be incurred. This is also used in combat against enemy units, which is why all UEE forces must wear the upgraded suit to block this effect. However, enertainment is also questionable in UEE grounds. Sporting events end with the losing team being rounded into a grinder and shredded on live television, boxing matches end with the loser having their hands removed without anasthesia, flight races would end with the losers having their arms and legs removed, then being injected with insanity, for entertainment. People are also forced into these events, by undergoing a painful 127 hour procedure which involves tweaking the muscles so they will not listen to brain commands, and then having a painful drug injected which also causes madness if the player is not sporting. This is all for entertainment, and anyone not watching any of it during sporting times and cheering for the winning team, they will be imprisoned into galactic camps. Snuff films are also broadcast, and actors are actually murdered just for entertainment. Stealth droids also guide these forced actors into behaving exactly as the director dreams, otherwise they will be punished by being placed into a macerator and having their execution written into the film. Any film that does not feature someone being murdered will be burned and the entire crew behind it will be executed in the most grotesque way possible - vivisection. All executions are broadcast, and anyone who misses even a millisecond, even by blinking, will be executed. All citizens must boo to the person being executed, and the family is gathered to be injected with eternators, which cause pain forever, making them immoral but feeling the pain tenfold every millisecond. They cannot pass out, but they will feel like it forever. Conquests by this Stimpire end in the planet being razed, and all the citizens being executed in the same way as their citizens are. The planet is then destroyed and all remnants of it are removed, and any memories of it will be erased instantly from civil minds. People who are also killed are also erased from memories, and all memories of them, including toys and pictures, are destroyed. Prisoners undergo 40,000 years of relentless and endless labor, and anyone not complying is sentenced to the eternator injection. All prisoners injected with eternators are placed into capsules and launched into far space, then the room is closed tight to ensure maximum insanity. Some prisoners are also subjected to the removal of blood, the lungs, the liver, the genitals, the skeleton, the muscles, the eyes, and even the injection of pressure. Prisoners sentenced to pressure chambers are locked in until they are inflated to a high level. The decompression is then stopped to make sure they are inflated and uncomfortable. Children born on the 14th of July are subjected to the removal of their skeleton and an implant of a silver liquid to replace it. The nervous sysem is also injected in various parts to ensure it is five times more sensitive than the average. Restaurants also are ordered to serve civil meat, and anyone attending must give themself up to be cooked into a grotesque meal. They are cooked alive, undergoing extreme pain, and are then subjected to industrial grinders and blenders. The Stimpire orders at least 1 million citizens to be dispatched every day, as they are afraid the population may overthrow them. But only one planet is cared for, and the rest are banned from eating, drinking, talking, using technology, touching anyone, wearing unauthorized clothes, touching buildings, or walking a centimeter out of designated routes. Civil enforcers are on every planet, and they are engineered so that they are 40 times larger than the 300 quadrillion population. At least 7 billion die every 12 hours under this rule. Thoughts are also surveyed, and anyone who does not think anything to loving the Stimpire with more than their capabilities will be sentenced to a prison. Prisoners who are punished for this violation will meet their greatest fear, only to have it amplified so they will turn insane as they imagine it exactly as they fear it. They then undergo a painful extraction of all fluids, to be replaced by a toxin which causes permanent irritation. The unknown substance keeps the subject aging normally, except they will never die. Prisoners punished in this way are unable to be reverted, despite many efforts, and they will never be able to be disposed. The sickening truths have been revealed only today, and invigilation teams are still investigating the truths without setting foot in the galactic space of this sickening empire.
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I'm one of the hundred prototypes that followed the path of the right click->delete->empty bin, but I have still more gameplay than star citizen.
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Sillybones posted:This game exists already, several times over. Nothing really. It looks quite competent for a 1 dev studio and I like his commitment to the aesthetics. The block system he has thrown together looks quite flexible and there are all kinds of neat videos of things his alpha testers have made even at this early stage. If there's a finished game out there where you can build a ship and fly it around the galaxy elite style, let me know. That is basically all I ever wanted from Star Citizen or Starmade.
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I think Mne is mostly right (although maybe a bit aggressive), but what I think is truly unjust here is that there are some people whose first job in the industry is going to be at CIG. A real thing happened about a month ago, where we had an application come through where the only industry experience listed on this resume was from CIG. The hiring manager had no idea who that was, and after an explanation of the studio, (albeit, a negative one) we then discussed whether or not that counts as relevant experience. In same ways, it's not unlike any other studio. You have to talk to people both inside and outside your expertise, and make plans that last for months and follow through on that stuff and understand a content pipeline and what not, but not having a box with which to put your name -- not having a shipped product with an end is kind of a big deal. Knowing how to triage and understanding the 'last 10%' problem is a big deal. The read I have from an external point of view is that CIG has never had to deal with the 'last 10%' because they keep on bolting on more features without polishing and really finishing anything they started. If we'd ever interview someone from CIG, there would probably be a whole battery of questions about triage, the process of bug-fix and polish, and how you manage time and resources to do that as best as you can. I'm not sure someone whose experience is exclusively with CIG could adequately answer those questions.
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Dark Off posted:all the indie companies i know of seem pretty chill as working places. And i feel most of em feel burned out by AAA workplaces. ah cmon. how can you say all that junk about aaa games and then say you never played or bought them and just looked for a couple minutes on youtube. thats ridiculous hyperbole
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Mr.Tophat posted:I've never paid for a season pass in my life. Has there ever been a season path that's been worth it? I'm talking about a judgement based on hindsight. They usually cost the same as a full priced game nowadays and I've always seen it as a bullshit product/service. I think Mankind Divided's a great example of this done right
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Sarsapariller posted:Nothing really. It looks quite competent for a 1 dev studio and I like his commitment to the aesthetics. The block system he has thrown together looks quite flexible and there are all kinds of neat videos of things his alpha testers have made even at this early stage. I was looking into getting Avorion. It's not finished yet but it looks pretty cool. Thinking about buying into the EA. http://store.steampowered.com/app/445220/Avorion/
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:I think Mankind Divided's a great example of this done right I bought the Lifetime Pass for Elite Dangerous. Best deal ever, imho.
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Ramadu posted:ah cmon. how can you say all that junk about aaa games and then say you never played or bought them and just looked for a couple minutes on youtube. i stopped playing em once i saw the direction it was going towards. My last straw was lovely uplay. And my last AAA game i bought was Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands I can safely say that i have missed nothing. if the thing has favorable reviews with my friends i might get it on console. but that has not happened that much. the prize of AAA quality just doesnt match up with quality consumer should get for that prize. Edit: on top of that i have AAA games i havent even installed/played, even when i got it for free. because gently caress installing uplay. or getting extra cable to connect my console to internet. The quality is that mediocre in my opinion. things like rust,factorio,elite,terraria,risk of rain,ftl,gemini rue, gunpoint. proof that you get more bang for your buck by buying indie game. i dont loving want prettier game with shittier gameplay, and thats what AAA now days mean. Its a contest on who can produce the most fidelitious trailer,with promises on gameplay that is not included in the game. Dark Off fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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Awesome Fidelity posted:From the same discussion I think Derek started out as the dog, but then he had to backpedal like gently caress because that would make Star Citizen the dead cat E: these ppl not smrt
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Mne nravitsya posted:No. Rockstar is widely known as one of the worst human grind factories along with a couple others. I feel bad for a lot of guys I know who work there. But, because they don't want to sell their homes and move, lose their american work visas, or possibly have other reasons that might require full health benefit coverage (new baby, or whatever) they have to remain. Unless you go into Rockstar at a very very high position, it's best for most people to stay out of that. The Rule of Rockstar: Go there, work there for a couple of years, and then move on. That way you get Rockstar on your CV, and you also get to have a life. I know more than a couple of fellow Devs who have gone down that path. Personally I'd not go near Rockstar with a barge pole.
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I don't know if this has been posted, but it's an entertaining read... "So, what we have in STAR Citizen is a complete SCAM. Or, to explain it as I see it: Star Citizen’s Aimless Motion… SCAM! Because it moves, it moves, but in fact it goes nowhere. Yes, I know there is a religious cult around this game — and some people that have invested a fortune and don’t want to admit they could as well have burned the dollar bills — but c’mon, sit down and think. Another stage of alpha — 3.0 — is delayed again, and the promises made by CR shattered again." https://medium.com/outpost2/star-citizen-chris-roberts-scam-90f34a5627ab
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Dark Off posted:i stopped playing em once i saw the direction it was going towards. lots of great aaa games have come out lately and where on earth are you that you need a cable to use the internet??? consoles connect via wifi real easily you havent played a aaa game since 2010 wow. uh some pretty good things have come out since then Ramadu fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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Breetai posted:Why 3.  good effort post
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Because theres a lot of good AAA games? Problem is weeding out the chaff. You are far more likely to be burned by indies at any rate. Also Battlefield 1 is pretty epic.
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when i think about it Star Citizen is the next step of AAA development. Instead of releasing disappointing end product to consumer you just keep on piling up the promises and fidelity. With soon being a keyword keeping people investing into the product. Think about it star citizen has always been close to finish. But what is actually getting finished is a trailer of next big feature delaying the overall process. from in engine made 2012 sq42 trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN6LSz9D3kk to terra landing in 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UaFSd-ezQc to citylanding in 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gx-3iwXvoQ to almost complete nyx landing zone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2YMlnn4Ngk to pupil planet at end of 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yLTm8DZ8s4&t=1s to sandworm in 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuDj5v81Nd0&t=6861s to facetracking in 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCtdyNFwQWo&t=5671s each time raising the expectation of consumer. the more they deliver the actual product the less they can sell the dream forward. im fearing this is the lesson AAA will learn from star citizen edit: tax  Edit2: and i guess my feelings are mostly about single player quality drop. I dont buy games for multiplayer usually. Dark Off fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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No poo poo: the dev diaries that Factorio does are hands-down some of the best forms of REAL open development I've ever seen. They talk about achievable goals in real terms, and when talking about bugs, blockers, and technological challenges they provide excellent detail and give it in easily digestible terms even for a layman, but without sounding dumbed down. Read this: That's just one dev diary, but I can recommend reading through a bunch of them to see how clear they are being with their approach to dev. Even if you don't want to click, check this out:  lLook at these motherfuckers who actually clearly know what they're doing.
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Foo Diddley posted:It's extremely funny to me that SC pretends to have all this "fidelity" when actual simulations exist. From infantry combat to ground vehicles to atmospheric flight to space flight, other games did it far better years ago The very first game I ever played was Microsoft Flight Simulator 4.0 with my dad on his laptop back in 1990. The game came out in 1989 and it still has a better flight model than Star Citizen, a game made 28 years later.
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The Stimpire is such a great text. Like, it's so dense that despite reading it several times I only just realised its lore includes ~240 foot tall policemen.
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Ghostlight posted:The Stimpire is such a great text. Like, it's so dense that despite reading it several times I only just realised its lore includes ~240 foot tall policemen. Its one of those things where everytime you read it you discover new horrible and sickening truths.
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Mne nravitsya posted:No it doesn't. If you want to make your dreams, go start your own independent company. Look at all the indie games that are successful. Your can have your creativity (and there is some great stuff out there) and make a living off it. But, If you want to work in the big machines of the 150+ million dollar AAA business: You start as a cog, because the machine is huge. I might seem a bit blunt and jaded, but part of that comes from exactly what you are all so upset about : Many of us have tried to change things a few times in our industry careers, and many of us were either punished, branded as malcontents, blackballed, or found unemployment on the other end. Even worse is when you do make a change that makes the team better and people are happier, then the game you make fails to meet projections, and you are all let go. Then, sadly, the magic of what was changing is now lost and scattered - while you go to the next company to work, and they tell you that "This is how we do it here: there's your desk" so that explains no mans sky. You come from that environment knowing nothing and learning nothing and create poo poo. Promising the sun the moon and the stars and getting star citizen. All the while having poo poo practices.
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xXAdmiralBekHarXx posted:Also Battlefield 1 is pretty epic. BF1 is an insult to everyone who ever walked by a history book and cannot be enjoyed by anyone who should also be allowed to vote or drive a car.
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Breetai posted:No poo poo: the dev diaries that Factorio does are hands-down some of the best forms of REAL open development I've ever seen. They talk about achievable goals in real terms, and when talking about bugs, blockers, and technological challenges they provide excellent detail and give it in easily digestible terms even for a layman, but without sounding dumbed down. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRsrOaKEdy0ymNqR7Urqa2Q theres 82 update vids they have done. and 13 videos of things they had to drop into concept limbo.
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