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VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

nm posted:

This chart confirms my suspicions that gen xers are even worse than boomers.

Yeah, but like silents at least they're a small generation who will be skipped over in political power.

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Archaeology Hat
Aug 10, 2009

nm posted:

This chart confirms my suspicions that gen xers are even worse than boomers.

iirc they're also much less likely to vote

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


I'm imagining some brand new reporter half asleep in court doing a spit take when they asked for leniency on that one.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


What's terrifying about a lot of MAGA regret voters is that many of them aren't on the Trump train because Bannon is gone and yanking DACA isn't doing enough to <14 words here>.

I also wonder how many people post trump regret merely because they're caving to social media pressure.

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Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

this is a good chart to summarize why the old guard elected democrats are so reluctant to champion single payer and higher minimum wage-- it's not corruption, it's fear born of decades of republican rule. factor in all the ways young and minority voters get disenfranchised and have lower turnout in general, and it's not that hard to understand the continued hesitancy. some consistent wins by younger progressive candidates would do wonders for bringing the rest around IMO

is "they're not corrupt, they're totally spineless and put party politics over country" supposed to make me feel better?

edit: if we need to beat some of them with progressive candidates anyways, why don't we just get rid of all of them? sounds like keeping a bunch of spineless centrists around who apparently buckle at the slightest amount of resistance is bad for fights that will happen when said progressive candidates start pushing for anti-corporate policy

Business Gorillas has issued a correction as of 13:19 on Sep 5, 2017

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

this is a good chart to summarize why the old guard elected democrats are so reluctant to champion single payer and higher minimum wage-- it's not corruption, it's fear born of decades of republican rule. factor in all the ways young and minority voters get disenfranchised and have lower turnout in general, and it's not that hard to understand the continued hesitancy. some consistent wins by younger progressive candidates would do wonders for bringing the rest around IMO
Seems like a self-fulling prophecy. First you don't fight for your constituents, then use their low turnout as a justification for not fighting for them.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



any spicy hot tweets from any of the 27% of Hispanics that voted for Trump and are now going to have their or their friends' families ripped apart with members sent to die in foreign nations they have no connections to yet?

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Business Gorillas posted:

is "they're not corrupt, they're totally spineless and put party politics over country" supposed to make me feel better?

edit: if we need to beat some of them with progressive candidates anyways, why don't we just get rid of all of them? sounds like keeping a bunch of spineless centrists around who apparently buckle at the slightest amount of resistance is bad for fights that will happen when said progressive candidates start pushing for anti-corporate policy

I tried this where I used to live and it was nigh impossible to do it through party frame work. They don't even care about winning as long as the "right" person is the candidate. The "right" person meaning whoever was buddies with the party officers.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

nm posted:

This chart confirms my suspicions that gen xers are even worse than boomers.

boomers were the hippies

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

The cool Boomers were hippies or student radicals. The majority of them weren't and were bitter about all the sex and good times the hippies got to have while they were living boring lives.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Mantis42 posted:

The cool Boomers were hippies or student radicals. The majority of them weren't and were bitter about all the sex and good times the hippies got to have while they were living boring lives.
A lot of the student radicals turned into shitheads later in life though, as soon as they got a chance to be the establishment.

LinYutang
Oct 12, 2016

NEOLIBERAL SHITPOSTER

:siren:
VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!
:siren:

Mantis42 posted:

The cool Boomers were hippies or student radicals. The majority of them weren't and were bitter about all the sex and good times the hippies got to have while they were living boring lives.

Most people want boring lives, the radicals are just noisy and have an outsized presence because they tenured up and wrote the history books elevating their minor role

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



A Buttery Pastry posted:

A lot of the student radicals turned into shitheads later in life though, as soon as they got a chance to be the establishment.

This, plus a lot of Boomers just re-wrote their own history when they realized how lovely it makes them sound to say they supported Vietnam and despised civil rights

Romney is a good example - he avoided the draft by being a "missionary" in Paris for awhile, then came home to mock and agitate against people protesting the draft

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

anime was right posted:

boomers were the hippies

the counterculture was a minority

most of them were and are squares

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Business Gorillas posted:

is "they're not corrupt, they're totally spineless and put party politics over country" supposed to make me feel better?

edit: if we need to beat some of them with progressive candidates anyways, why don't we just get rid of all of them? sounds like keeping a bunch of spineless centrists around who apparently buckle at the slightest amount of resistance is bad for fights that will happen when said progressive candidates start pushing for anti-corporate policy

Bear in mind that baby-with-bathwater center-left vs socialist infighting is literally how whiplash conservative nationalists turned a minority of seats into absolute power in early Nazi Germany. Godwin's Law has been temporarily suspended by Mike Godwin.

I agree with you in that "If they're not corrupt, the Dems are spineless" is discomforting and outrageous. Please don't kill racial, religious, and sexual minorities on your way to fight for true progress.

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

the counterculture was a minority

most of [the boomers] were and are squares

QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

by reading this post you have agreed to form a gay socialist micronation.
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Mantis42 posted:

The cool Boomers were hippies or student radicals. The majority of them weren't and were bitter about all the sex and good times the hippies got to have while they were living boring lives.

Please don't doxx both my mom and my dad, respectively

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Potato Salad posted:

Bear in mind that baby-with-bathwater center-left vs socialist infighting is literally how whiplash conservative nationalists turned a minority of seats into absolute power in early Nazi Germany. Godwin's Law has been temporarily suspended by Mike Godwin.

I agree with you in that "If they're not corrupt, the Dems are spineless" is discomforting and outrageous. Please don't kill racial, religious, and sexual minorities on your way to fight for true progress.

The establishment Democrats refuse to pursue policies anyone actually want and thus fail to protect any of those people either. They're the ones saying antifa are giving them a bad name for fighting back against Nazis trying to murder minorities.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Loaded and ready for potential use this weekend: :smithcloud:

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Inescapable Duck posted:

The establishment Democrats refuse to pursue policies anyone actually want and thus fail to protect any of those people either. They're the ones saying antifa are giving them a bad name for fighting back against Nazis trying to murder minorities.

-- actually, gently caress it, this isn't a thread for this --

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


this thread sucks post more tears

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy

Business Gorillas posted:

is "they're not corrupt, they're totally spineless and put party politics over country" supposed to make me feel better?

no, it's not supposed to make you feel better. its meant to inform strategy.

a democrat that is sympathetic to the left, but tacks to the center to stay in office, is probably the best case scenario where the voters are +10 GOP. in a country that re-elected ronald reagan with 525 electoral votes, the third-way democrats were basically the most progressive democrats that could win. it's lovely, but it took decades for GOP policies to screw over enough white ppl to push the generational shift that's coming due now in that graph (along with the increasing % non white voters)

today national politics may be well-positioned to trend leftward but you can't primary your way to full-throated progressive representation in south carolina or oklahoma, not yet anyway. we either need to elect great dems in 25-30 states or work with some centrists


E: for the thread

https://mobile.twitter.com/NBCNews/status/905098196149555209?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Dixie Cretin Seaman has issued a correction as of 20:18 on Sep 5, 2017

Gringostar
Nov 12, 2016
Morbid Hound

Potato Salad posted:

Loaded and ready for potential use this weekend: :smithcloud:


lol

"potential"

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Well he obviously stole that job from a white man using affirmative action...

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy
oh lordy, an asian collaborator just realized the klan doesn't consider him an honorary white

I worked for Republicans and Breitbart. Trump made me see what’s wrong with the GOP.

I’ve worked across the ideological spectrum of the GOP — with Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine, arguably the most moderate Republican in the Senate, and for Rep. Darrell Issa of California when he was chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. I was the principal spokesperson for the committee when we conducted a series of aggressive investigations of President Obama’s administration. I was also a media consultant for Breitbart News from 2014 to 2016.
...
Breitbart’s shabby treatment of its own reporter as a sop to Trump — with whom the news outlet was closely aligned — was a major wake-up call. But it took the reality of the Trump administration to force me to confront some of the ugly realities about the GOP that, for years, I completely ignored because that was my team.
...
The president and many Republicans in Congress refuse to accept the scientific consensus on climate change...Trump has advocated for law enforcement to use excessive force...From voter suppression campaigns to racially disparate sentencing guidelines, Republicans, long before Trump, have pressed ahead with a policy agenda that systemically attacks people of color.
...
Don’t assume that everyone who voted for this president is a dupe or a racist.
...
Right now, the Republican Party has been hijacked by its extreme base — leaving a number of people, just like me, with no place to go. This is a unique opportunity for the Democratic Party to fill that void, but it can only happen if Democrats make an honest effort.

:qq:

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

oh lordy, an asian collaborator just realized the klan doesn't consider him an honorary white

I worked for Republicans and Breitbart. Trump made me see what’s wrong with the GOP.

I’ve worked across the ideological spectrum of the GOP — with Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine, arguably the most moderate Republican in the Senate, and for Rep. Darrell Issa of California when he was chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. I was the principal spokesperson for the committee when we conducted a series of aggressive investigations of President Obama’s administration. I was also a media consultant for Breitbart News from 2014 to 2016.
...
Breitbart’s shabby treatment of its own reporter as a sop to Trump — with whom the news outlet was closely aligned — was a major wake-up call. But it took the reality of the Trump administration to force me to confront some of the ugly realities about the GOP that, for years, I completely ignored because that was my team.
...
The president and many Republicans in Congress refuse to accept the scientific consensus on climate change...Trump has advocated for law enforcement to use excessive force...From voter suppression campaigns to racially disparate sentencing guidelines, Republicans, long before Trump, have pressed ahead with a policy agenda that systemically attacks people of color.
...
Don’t assume that everyone who voted for this president is a dupe or a racist.
...
Right now, the Republican Party has been hijacked by its extreme base — leaving a number of people, just like me, with no place to go. This is a unique opportunity for the Democratic Party to fill that void, but it can only happen if Democrats make an honest effort.

:qq:

C'moooooon Dems please move even further to the right :( :( :(

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy

Epic High Five posted:

C'moooooon Dems please move even further to the right :( :( :(

but just move far enough right to be inclusive of breitbart reporters. the GOP can keep those rascals at infowars and stormfront, we gotta have some principles here!

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

Right now, the Republican Party has been hijacked by its extreme base — leaving a number of people, just like me, with no place to go. This is a unique opportunity for the Democratic Party to fill that void, but it can only happen if Democrats make an honest effort.

This guy doesn't really understand that political parties are supposed to have principles (at least in theory).

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

Don’t assume that everyone who voted for this president is a dupe

:cawg:

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy

"don't assume trump voters are dupes or racists" --a guy writing about how he was duped into voting trump by a party of racists

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Barbe Rouge posted:

This guy doesn't really understand that political parties are supposed to have principles (at least in theory).

"More money for us, gently caress you" is a principle, right?

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo
"My team"

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



Potato Salad posted:

Bear in mind that baby-with-bathwater center-left vs socialist infighting is literally how whiplash conservative nationalists turned a minority of seats into absolute power in early Nazi Germany. Godwin's Law has been temporarily suspended by Mike Godwin.

I agree with you in that "If they're not corrupt, the Dems are spineless" is discomforting and outrageous. Please don't kill racial, religious, and sexual minorities on your way to fight for true progress.

missing from this story: the german centrists giving hitler the chancellorship in a coalition so the communists couldn't take power

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

"don't assume trump voters are dupes or racists" --a guy writing about how he was duped into voting trump by a party of racists

The loving title is just gold. "I voted for Republicans and Breitbart"

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

It reminds me of the article about a leader of some 2nd amendment thing (Oathkeepers maybe) that was ostensibly founded for the protection of the right to bear guns but under the coating it was just racist bullshit. Trouble is, they didn't explicitly say it and this guy apparently didn't get the memo. He went down to Ferguson and started talking to the protesters, listened to their grievances, wanted to bring them into the organization, train them in weapons handling etc. I guess and got a hell of a cold shower when his compatriots just looked at him like he was a bit funny in the head.
So he left the organization and I think he's either out of it or founding his own thing, can't remember.

Except this guy sounds like someone you can maybe reach out to depending on his economic outlook while the "I worked for Breitbart" guy is hopeless.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Barbe Rouge posted:

It reminds me of the article about a leader of some 2nd amendment thing (Oathkeepers maybe) that was ostensibly founded for the protection of the right to bear guns but under the coating it was just racist bullshit. Trouble is, they didn't explicitly say it and this guy apparently didn't get the memo. He went down to Ferguson and started talking to the protesters, listened to their grievances, wanted to bring them into the organization, train them in weapons handling etc. I guess and got a hell of a cold shower when his compatriots just looked at him like he was a bit funny in the head.
So he left the organization and I think he's either out of it or founding his own thing, can't remember.

Except this guy sounds like someone you can maybe reach out to depending on his economic outlook while the "I worked for Breitbart" guy is hopeless.

This actually caused a splinter in the group lol

Pretty much the entire leadership are current or ex cops and the guy said that their response was, and I quote, "why would we want to give guns to the enemy?"

Really protecting that amendment eh guyslmao

Lindsey O. Graham
Dec 31, 2016

"We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

- The Chief

mrbradlymrmartin posted:

i still aint got over how the judge looks like the vampire that bit the kid

truly

the ugliest vampire i eva did see :kiss:

Lindsey O. Graham
Dec 31, 2016

"We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

- The Chief

Cobweb Heart posted:

The massive boatloads of people who assumed everyone else would be doing the boat loading is one of the most evil and stupid parts of this whole thing, and if I was a little dumber I would hope that would mean it won't happen again soon. None of these people are gonna go anywhere or do anything, just appear in articles saying how wretched they are. Whole communities just getting crippled at their own demand and only allowing themselves to complain about it to reporters who will basically laugh at them and point and write "how sad". It's one thing to watch idiot whites act like they're invincible and put themselves into unsympathetic, hopeless positions, we do that all the time. It's a whole new level of pathetic insanity to see obviously vulnerable groups doing it.

"We had a black guy for a while right? It's probably safe to start supporting the racist lunatics now. Think of all the great racist poo poo I could get out of this"

kickin' out the ladda' from unda' you is rule 1 in the alpha cuck's guide to life

it is a work of literature that has served me well durin' ma tenure as senata

Lindsey O. Graham
Dec 31, 2016

"We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

- The Chief

Epic High Five posted:

This actually caused a splinter in the group lol

Pretty much the entire leadership are current or ex cops and the guy said that their response was, and I quote, "why would we want to give guns to the enemy?"

Really protecting that amendment eh guyslmao

"you know we only kill black people right?"
- American justice incarnate :911:

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Epic High Five posted:

This actually caused a splinter in the group lol

Pretty much the entire leadership are current or ex cops and the guy said that their response was, and I quote, "why would we want to give guns to the enemy?"

Really protecting that amendment eh guyslmao

It's actually funny that the right's losing their ability to dogwhistle

Albeit it also helps that the whistle has been blowing full blast for ten years so now the dog is homicidally insane and everyone else is sick of the noise.

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Best Korea
Feb 15, 2012
Remember how Alex Jones and the like's number one issue was police brutality and overreach, but but then Black Lives Matter came along and now its not a real problem?

Best Korea has issued a correction as of 17:20 on Sep 8, 2017

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