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XyrlocShammypants posted:Someone asked who the big funders would be to make drastic leaps on the political realm and I answered. I'm not advocating any political decisions here. Apple and Google aren't going to bankroll the DSA. Not that they would even accept their money lol
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This is the lefts version of seeing Russia from your backyard. Just because you think GA 06 was in play from the comfort of your craft beer house in Portland doesn't make it true.
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Sep 5, 2017 19:17
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Calibanibal posted:lets just gut the democratic party and move into its empty husk like a political hermit crab This is the only answer. The constitution is set up so third parties cannot work. The Left must organize outside of the DNC through vanguard organizations like the DSA and use that organization to seize control of the party and then the state.
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Sep 5, 2017 19:18
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XyrlocShammypants posted:This is the lefts version of seeing Russia from your backyard. Just because you think GA 06 was in play from the comfort of your craft beer house in Portland doesn't make it true. GA-06 was the race that centrists said was the most winnable, and the DNC piled almost all of its resources into, actually. I feel like we may be being trolled, friends.
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Sep 5, 2017 19:19
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Socialists shouldn't depend on one Mr. moneybags.
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white sauce posted:Apple and Google aren't going to bankroll the DSA. Not that they would even accept their money lol Roosevelt was a rich person, but he saw a country that needed help and did a whole lot of awesome(and illegal) stuff to save it. The rich are generally bad, but appealing to their self interest and taking their money for good works isn't bad.
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Sep 5, 2017 19:19
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Condiv posted:you said taking a poison pill would help us? do you think american politics is "the sorrow" fight from mgs 3? It would help a lot to have a massively funded super PAC by anonymous donors yes. Would it help the progressive lefts platform and purity, absolutely not. They'd use their resources to highjack the movement to secure their position especially with regard to how information is handled or copyrights maintained.
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Sep 5, 2017 19:20
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XyrlocShammypants posted:This is the lefts version of seeing Russia from your backyard. Just because you think GA 06 was in play from the comfort of your craft beer house in Portland doesn't make it true. the dems sure were fooled into thinking it was, considering they dumped all their money into it instead of stronger contests with politicians who had stronger gains on previous elections than jon "datacenters" ossoff
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Sep 5, 2017 19:20
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XyrlocShammypants posted:It would help a lot to have a massively funded super PAC by anonymous donors yes. Would it help the progressive lefts platform and purity, absolutely not. They'd use their resources to highjack the movement to secure their position especially with regard to how information is handled or copyrights maintained. poisoning yourself is a bad idea, why do you think taking poison pills are a good idea? are you suicidal? i think there's a suicide help thread in e/n
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Sep 5, 2017 19:22
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Condiv posted:the dems sure were fooled into thinking it was, considering they dumped all their money into it instead of stronger contests with politicians who had stronger gains on previous elections than jon "wet fart" ossoff 5 whole million, outspent by the GOPs analogue three times over. 1/3 of the total money came from outside sources but still democrats were outspent there 2.5 to 1
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Sep 5, 2017 19:22
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Condiv posted:poisoning yourself is a bad idea, why do you think taking poison pills are a good idea? are you suicidal? i think there's a suicide help thread in e/n This is a pretty low quality troll attempt and I would suggest from a practical point of view not to make suicide jokes. It's beneath even you.
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Sep 5, 2017 19:23
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joepinetree posted:Additionally, it has also become clear that a lot of the reason people identify as democrats is cultural. See the pass democrats give to Obama/Clinton on Honduras, on deportations, and on being the worst president in 30 years for HBCUs. This is an important point. Many/most liberals give correct criticisms of Republicans, but completely ignore the bad things (or lack of good things) Democrats do. This is obviously just because they identify with the latter more. Democrats are "people like them" while Republicans are "dumb rednecks and evil old white businessmen." It's the exact same mindset that Republicans have, and I feel like in many cases it's just a coincidence that they happen to identify more with the side that is less bad. This bothers me mostly because the only opinions of liberal voters that actually matter are their opinions towards Democrats. No Republican voters or Republican politicians are going to give a poo poo what liberal voters think about them, because they aren't their constituency. But there's a non-zero possibility that Democratic politicians would care what liberal voters think, at least if there's enough of them. So even from a pragmatic perspective, it makes more sense for Democrats to focus on the bad aspects of their own party than to just criticize the Republicans, since they at least have a non-zero amount of influence over the former.s
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XyrlocShammypants posted:This is a pretty low quality troll attempt and I would suggest from a practical point of view not to make suicide jokes. It's beneath even you. you're the one saying we should take poison pills, and i'm getting p worried about you. XyrlocShammypants posted:5 whole million, outspent by the GOPs analogue three times over. 1/3 of the total money came from outside sources but still democrats were outspent there 2.5 to 1 those millions would've been better used on stronger politicians and races, which would've happened if perez actually put a 50-state strategy in place. instead, we had a one state strategy, where dems dumped millions on an unlikeable candidate, and all the stronger special elections like ks04 went ignored oops!
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Sep 5, 2017 19:27
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Condiv posted:you're the one saying we should take poison pills, and i'm getting p worried about you. Maybe learn to read before posting. No one suggested the progressive left accept money from massive anonymous superpacs. It's a pure thought exercise in who could serve a similar role to the Koch Brothers in the Tea Party movement. In either case the movement suffers and becomes ideologically diluted but probably does see electoral success.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Maybe learn to read before posting. No one suggested the progressive left accept money from massive anonymous superpacs. It's a pure thought exercise in who could serve a similar role to the Koch Brothers in the Tea Party movement. In either case the movement suffers and becomes ideologically diluted but probably does see electoral success. You are utterly incapable of thinking about nonmonetary things, huh?
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Sep 5, 2017 19:32
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Maybe learn to read before posting. No one suggested the progressive left accept money from massive anonymous superpacs. It's a pure thought exercise in who could serve a similar role to the Koch Brothers in the Tea Party movement. In either case the movement suffers and becomes ideologically diluted but probably does see electoral success. we don't need money we need centrist garbage to get out of the way
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Sep 5, 2017 19:33
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Peachfart posted:Roosevelt was a rich person, but he saw a country that needed help and did a whole lot of awesome(and illegal) stuff to save it. The rich are generally bad, but appealing to their self interest and taking their money for good works isn't bad. You do realize that rich people took a long, educated look at catastrophic climate change and shrugged their shoulders, right? They have no interest in helping any of us, the only solution is to brutally take everything from them
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Sep 5, 2017 19:34
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WampaLord posted:You are utterly incapable of thinking about nonmonetary things, huh? Youre right, Bernie didn't raise 230 million that kickstarted the progressive movement and infrastructure we see right now. It was born of flowers and magic.
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Sep 5, 2017 19:36
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Peachfart posted:Roosevelt was a rich person, but he saw a country that needed help and did a whole lot of awesome(and illegal) stuff to save it. The rich are generally bad, but appealing to their self interest and taking their money for good works isn't bad. roosevelt was a class traitor. which made him great. point me to an actual class traitor and not google and apple who are loving things over right this second and i'll vote for them (also, zuck isn't that, cause he runs psyops on his own users and his site is transphobic and white coddling)
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Sep 5, 2017 19:36
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Youre right, Bernie didn't raise 230 million that kickstarted the progressive movement and infrastructure we see right now. It was born of flowers and magic. You're a loving moron The people bankrolled Bernie, and it proved you don't need the help of massive corporations to run in politics.
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reminder that the rich (including ghwb's dad) tried to coup roosevelt cause he was saving them from their idiotic selves. and then they went and undid everything he did and now they're kowtowing to fascism again. dumb rich people 
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Sep 5, 2017 19:41
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white sauce posted:You're a loving moron There you have it then. Have the people fund your hostile takeover of the DNC.
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Sep 5, 2017 19:41
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white sauce posted:You're a loving moron Yea and that's going to be the slow but ideological purer trajectory. The alternative is to sacrifice the movements core values to some degree, move center, like many superpacs did to the tea party, and see more rapid results from less "left leaning candidates." Not sure why there is this need to "gotcha" every innocuous comment but I guess you need this to feel morally superior
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Sep 5, 2017 19:42
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You've got a better chance of waiting for Jesus to come back and help you then waiting for someone with money to help you.
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Sep 5, 2017 19:42
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XyrlocShammypants posted:see more rapid results from less "left leaning candidates." [citation needed]
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Sep 5, 2017 19:43
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Yea and that's going to be the slow but ideological purer trajectory. The alternative is to sacrifice the movements core values to some degree, move center, like many superpacs did to the tea party, and see more rapid results from less "left leaning candidates."  i thought you weren't advocating for this dumb stuff
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Sep 5, 2017 19:44
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Inescapable Duck posted:[citation needed] So you don't believe that a progressive movement funded largely from anonymous superpacs and new employees/infrastructures not derived from progressive circles would yield less progressive candidates? Bernies major argument was avoiding that route kept the movement going in a way that produced a better message and agenda.
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Sep 5, 2017 19:45
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Avirosb posted:There you have it then. Taking your sick dog to the vet to get healed isn't "hostile" Removing all the lanyards, yes-men, and political consultants from the DNC pig trough and launching them into the ocean will be equally therapeutic.
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Sep 5, 2017 19:47
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Condiv posted:
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Sep 5, 2017 19:47
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Democrazy posted:Donald Trump, a man who hosted a reality TV show wherein he was the boss of company where he fired someone each week, a man who claimed he was very smart and could master any topic in an hour, a man who regularly got into shouting matches during debates, said that, in comparison to him, Hillary Clinton was a shrill, bossy, arrogant know-it-all. You don't think that agreeing with him has anything to do with gender, maybe gender roles in society? i think it also has to do with people genuinely not liking hillary clinton and her inability to make herself sound appealing to anyone who isn't a lanyard wearing dipshit
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Sep 5, 2017 19:48
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Im advocating for the former, if it weren't painfully obvious What are you even arguing with people about, then?
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Im advocating for the former, if it weren't painfully obvious no, it really isn't cause you've been a "pragmatist" for a long time, so the move to center path looks like it'd be more enticing to you
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Jizz Festival posted:What are you even arguing with people about, then? that the states of montana and kansas do not exist, evidently There Was Only One Special Election!!!!
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Sep 5, 2017 19:50
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Jizz Festival posted:What are you even arguing with people about, then? Yea ask them not me. I'm not the one purposely misinterpreting what people are saying for god knows what reason.
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Crossposting from YCS: holy poo poo, Hillary Clinton is a garbage person. https://twitter.com/jacobinmag/status/904816349150633984/photo/1
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Majorian posted:Crossposting from YCS: holy poo poo, Hillary Clinton is a garbage person. you hadn't seen that page from her sad book yet?
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Sep 5, 2017 19:52
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Yea ask them not me. I'm not the one purposely misinterpreting what people are saying for god knows what reason. Maybe you're just super bad at communicating? Actually that seems really likely considering you seem to be the only person who doesn't misinterpret what you say.
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Ze Pollack posted:that the states of montana and kansas do not exist, evidently What happened to people power to fund elections man, gotta get those birdies out there collecting money right. Why even rely on the dnc? All that people power and only 2.6 million came from external sources to the DNC, sad
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Condiv posted:you hadn't seen that page from her sad book yet? I had not, no. I've been in Peru for two weeks with limited wifi. What a great thing to come back to.  Sanders supporters: We want a pony! Clinton: WILL A PONY SOLVE RACISM?!?!?!
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XyrlocShammypants posted:What happened to people power to fund elections man, gotta get those birdies out there collecting money right. Why even rely on the dnc? do you even know what you're arguing for anymore beyond being mad people to your left exist
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