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Finger Prince posted:So write a loving letter, nobody cares. It's more of an online process or phone call these days. New i3 styling. 
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Powershift posted:GM did 9/11 I thought that was Porsche.
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Are you now or have you ever been a member of the GM Press Pool? 
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Sep 5, 2017 19:52
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Let me make sure I have my facts straight before I I say anything. So GM flies a bunch of "journalists" out to test autocross the bolt. Some outlets disclose it was a paid-for press junket, some do not. And you folks are pissed at the guy pointing this out instead of at guy writing at one of the outlets who didn't disclose that fact?
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ilkhan posted:Let me make sure I have my facts straight before I I say anything. In their defense, I came across pretty crazy and have argued with the dude in the past about Tesla and his dislike for them. I still stand by my point that ARs enjoys a different and possibly special relationship with GM (an advertiser on the site.)
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Sep 5, 2017 20:13
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ilkhan posted:Let me make sure I have my facts straight before I I say anything. The guy didnt disclose the fact that GM didnt pay them
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Sep 5, 2017 20:14
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hifi posted:The guy didnt disclose the fact that GM didnt pay them Which is odd, because other press outlets at the same event (both names on leaderboard for track times) *were* paid for travel, accommodations and food. The Sicilian fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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Sep 5, 2017 20:15
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ilkhan posted:Let me make sure I have my facts straight before I I say anything. 1. Ars specifically said they were not paid 2. Companies pay some people some of the time to check out their stuff, not all the people all of the time. The bigger you are and more positive things you say, the more likely it is the company will pay you. Say bad things, they will boycott you. The world sucks. 3. Nobody cares.
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Ola posted:1. Ars specifically said they were not paid The author only did in the comment section after someone tried to call him out for not disclosing.
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The Sicilian posted:The author only did in the comment section after someone tried to call him out for not disclosing. We know, you have posted this, sadly.
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Sep 5, 2017 20:20
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I wonder what other non events the author failed to disclose
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hifi posted:I wonder what other non events the author failed to disclose Just want to know why it was a paid event for every other publication except for this one. What incentive do they have to fly out, house and feed staff for a press junket? The Sicilian fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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Sep 5, 2017 20:35
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hifi posted:I wonder what other non events the author failed to disclose He didn't disclose that he didn't leave an upper-decker in a roadside diner's restroom. THE PUBLIC MUST KNOW.
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Full disclosure: GM did not pay me to write this post.The Sicilian posted:Just want to know why others were and they weren't. BUT WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE gently caress off. quit slathering your mental illness all over the loving electric car thread.
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Sep 5, 2017 20:41
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Powershift posted:Full disclosure: GM did not pay me to write this post. Enjoy your advertisements disguised as a tech blog reviews. Keep up the great posting. I won't bother posting any pictures of the model 3 I am picking up in Feb. My trip to the Fremont factory will be entirely paid for by Tesla full disclosure. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Wow look at that flurry of activity after weeks of silence! It must be some great new content! Maybe Model 3? Possibly Ioniq? Perhaps VW has tipped their hand? .....oh
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FistEnergy posted:Wow look at that flurry of activity after weeks of silence! It must be some great new content! Maybe Model 3? Possibly Ioniq? Perhaps VW has tipped their hand? The electric mini that should be called the min-e but isn't will be coming out in 2019 with the I3 drivetrain and such which is good because the i3 looks like dogshit. https://www.topspeed.com/cars/mini/2017-mini-electric-concept-ar177421.html
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So in other news, new Leaf reveal tomorrow night! I guess we're still looking at a 30 or 40 kWh battery for the base model. Curious what kind of range that will equate to; I have to assume they got a little more efficient compared to the first version.
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The impression I have of BMWs is that outside of warranty they are a crapshoot as to whether you will have a minimal maintenance DRIVING MACHINE, or a money pit. Does the i3's simplicity make for a much higher chance of long-term reliability, with BMW quality?
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stevobob posted:The impression I have of BMWs is that outside of warranty they are a crapshoot as to whether you will have a minimal maintenance DRIVING MACHINE, or a money pit. Does the i3's simplicity make for a much higher chance of long-term reliability, with BMW quality? It can't be any worse than their gas cars at this point. modern ICEs are obviously infinitely more complex than an electric motor, but i would imagine most convenience features would be just as problematic. The i3s also use a super special wagon tire that are expensive and could be hard to get in a pinch.
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stevobob posted:The impression I have of BMWs is that outside of warranty they are a crapshoot as to whether you will have a minimal maintenance DRIVING MACHINE, or a money pit. Does the i3's simplicity make for a much higher chance of long-term reliability, with BMW quality? Are any i3 units old enough to be out of warranty or off-lease? Is anyone enough of a brain genius to buy an off-lease early-model-year first-of-its-kind BMW and then judge it for reliability?
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The Sicilian posted:The author only did in the comment section after someone tried to call him out for not disclosing. Hahaha you loving moron at least own it and admit you were wrong (and apologize to drgitlin for libeling him in a manner that was both overwrought and barely coherent). There are outlets who refuse to let vendors pay for trips if it would cause a conflict, and they pay their own way instead. It's because they have higher standards for their journalism, and put their money where their mouth is. God you buffoon.
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Cocoa Crispies posted:Are any i3 units old enough to be out of warranty or off-lease? Is anyone enough of a brain genius to buy an off-lease early-model-year first-of-its-kind BMW and then judge it for reliability? Plenty. I've been looking at off lease 2014 i3 REx models for my wife to commute with, but we're probably going with an off lease Leaf instead, since they are essentially pocket change right now.
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Sep 5, 2017 21:59
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Mods rename to "The EV tantrum / libel / frustration electrothread."
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Agronox posted:So in other news, new Leaf reveal tomorrow night! I guess we're still looking at a 30 or 40 kWh battery for the base model. Curious what kind of range that will equate to; I have to assume they got a little more efficient compared to the first version. Tonight, actually. 8:30PM EDT. I do hope there is a 60kWh option since I'd like to stick with Nissan.
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I will be shocked if the Leaf has a 60 kWh option. I am guessing they drop two battery sizes and go for something in the high 30s, low 40s. If only it was practical to stick battery cells in that big front overhang.
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hifi posted:The guy didnt disclose the fact that GM didnt pay them
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This happens all the time. You can take the tinfoil off.
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ilkhan posted:Which would be a non-event if it wasn't a paid trip for the other news sites. So was it an actual unpaid trip for ARS? Or was it "unpaid" and GM's advertising budget suddenly found some extra money for a more generous rate on their ads specifically so that they could say it wasn't paid? I don't know, but its suspicious. If only you lot would hold your health care or defense industries to the same standard of anti corruption diligence as you do some random dude who may or may not have got a free lunch and if that free lunch implied undue influence on his review. Of a car. For a tech website.
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Finger Prince posted:If only you lot would hold your health care or defense industries to the same standard of anti corruption diligence as you do some random dude who may or may not have got a free lunch and if that free lunch implied undue influence on his review. Of a car. For a tech website. We've reached peak thread.
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:We've reached peak thread. Wait I haven't got to Hitler yet.
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It's about ethics in car journalism
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Finger Prince posted:If only you lot would hold your health care or defense industries to the same standard of anti corruption diligence as you do some random dude who may or may not have got a free lunch and if that free lunch implied undue influence on his review. Of a car. For a tech website. Fortunately, this is a thread about EVs and not about health care or national defense.
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Subjunctive posted:Hahaha you loving moron at least own it and admit you were wrong (and apologize to drgitlin for libeling him in a manner that was both overwrought and barely coherent). Nothing said was libelous, also good luck showing damages to the judge, arising from content posted on a private, internet-comedy forum. Good thing you're on the case. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Agronox posted:So in other news, new Leaf reveal tomorrow night! I guess we're still looking at a 30 or 40 kWh battery for the base model. Curious what kind of range that will equate to; I have to assume they got a little more efficient compared to the first version. And there it is, 400km range in the "extended" edition that'll be out early next year.
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gas thread ban everyone
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stevobob posted:gas thread ban everyone The only gas that belongs in this thread is of the natrual variety, pal.* * Full disclosure it's a joke about gasoline and natural gas electric power plants and I was not paid to write it.
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KakerMix posted:The only gas that belongs in this thread is of the natrual variety, pal.* I got your natural gas right here, pal *leans over and sharts while typing a post about ethics in car journalism*
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New Leaf seems decent.quote:The all-new model improves on just about everything from the outgoing Leaf, though the smooth, egg-like styling did slowly grow on me. Nonetheless, the new Leaf now has an EPA-estimated 150 miles of range from a new 40 kWh battery. Nissan claims it will reveal a more powerful Leaf sometime next year. Could be a nice little commuter car. Base is $29,900--after incentives that might be pretty attractive to a lot of people. Comes to the US in early 2018 they say. http://jalopnik.com/the-2018-nissan-leaf-is-no-tesla-model-3-but-it-wont-co-1800664984
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Looks like a competent little commuter. Wonder how cheap they'll be going for on lease deals? The main selling point of the previous leaf was the pricing being stupid cheap.
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