Mr. Nice! posted:Not at all. You can run any dungeon in the game with four dps, four healers, or four tanks and many of them with only 2 people regardless of role. We've queued up premades plenty of times with wrong compositions for expert and other roulettes and still crushed it. What? How do you run temple of the fist without a healer? And since you're saying "four dps" I'm assuming you mean you can do it with 4 ninjas or something that don't have access to healing outside of second wind/bloodbath. I'm also fully aware of who you are and how much you understand about this game, so that's why I'm pretty taken aback by this unless there's more context, like "it was expert but we had a black mage so we could use cure" or something. I could see some dps comps with the max ilvl cap doing an expert dungeon, depending on the dungeon, but just a generic statement that it's always possible? SonicRulez posted:All 3 roles are necessary, that is why you are placed in a party and expected to work harmoniously. Namaste. Yeah that's not what people in this thread mean when they start jumping on the primadonna tank train. Usually it trends toward "Tanks are all unnecessary and should be glad that us DPS/healers are around to carry them" which is waaaaaay too far in the opposite direction. When you join a dungeon as a dps/healer, you'll be happy if you get a competent tank that pulls well and adjusts to what the group can handle correctly, so there actually is a good standard to judge tanks on. The issue isn't the tank running the show, it's when a lovely person tries to run the show. It's just as bad as anyone in the group pulling too much or just being lovely at other people and arguing instead of just doing the dungeon. People are poo poo, learning to work with poo poo people is a social skill that you should work on anyway because it will help you so much in life in general. And the main lesson I took away from that goon's story was "don't play on ps4 without a keyboard so that you can actually talk to people." Countblanc posted:Tanks not named DRK always need it gently caress that I give it to the other physical dps if they exist. The tank's threat isn't going anywhere on big pulls and their DPS isn't as significant as the other DPS's. G2G FAST.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:gently caress that I give it to the other physical dps if they exist. The tank's threat isn't going anywhere on big pulls and their DPS isn't as significant as the other DPS's. G2G FAST. Well the context was literally "I rarely get put with other melee dps because of the queueing algorithm" so maybe take a relax
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Sep 5, 2017 19:27
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Haquer posted:I make a dps tank for 15 seconds and get called a literal game ruining player Maybe if you were a complete cock about it and had the healer be your yes man and make analogies like "goad is like a turn signal, everyone has one but not everyone knows how to use it" goons would defend you. There wasn't even a general incline. That was literally everything said, he immediately started throwing a fit, threatening to wait after every pull (he didn't), sat down mid pull on the second pull then booted right after the second pull. Not a "hey can you goad?" then getting mad when it doesn't happen, just an immediate "YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE NICE?" Yes man: GOAD?! Tank: YEAH!
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Sep 5, 2017 19:28
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tbh everyone needs to check their ego at the door in boring rear end four man content.
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Sep 5, 2017 19:39
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Countblanc posted:Tanks not named DRK always need it I know, but I hardly ever see warriors anymore and the paladins in my groups never run out of TP  (it's not, it goes back to "they bad!")
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Sep 5, 2017 19:41
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Haquer posted:I make a dps tank for 15 seconds and get called a literal game ruining player DPS gets asked to use goad on a tank, and not only doesn't, but also says absolutely nothing for five minutes and continues to dps as if he's ignoring the tank, and gets kicked for it. Goons rush in to defend him.
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Sep 5, 2017 19:48
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orcane posted:I know, but I hardly ever see warriors anymore and the paladins in my groups never run out of TP the pld won't have time to bottom out on TP if the dps is good, so congratulations i guess
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Sep 5, 2017 19:49
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I hope they make it so that Sprint eats all your TP again because it was a lot of fun eating an accidental goad as a caster then popping sprint in response.
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Sep 5, 2017 19:51
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I've played on PS4 without a keyboard the entire time. It's fine. Usually you aren't grouped with "Do what I say when I say it or get booted." If that were to ever happen to me, I'd make a wanking motion, and then re-queue for EXDR or whatever. Like someone else said, there's really no reason to care that much about any 4 man content.
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Sep 5, 2017 19:54
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full disclosure: if i'm stupid enough to queue as a tank, ask for shadewalker, and get ignored, i'm going to pull in sword oath anyway and passive-aggressively cover whoever takes enmity.
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Sep 5, 2017 20:00
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we're all living in glass houses here, basically
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Sep 5, 2017 20:00
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:What? How do you run temple of the fist without a healer? And since you're saying "four dps" I'm assuming you mean you can do it with 4 ninjas or something that don't have access to healing outside of second wind/bloodbath. You're not going to speedrun anything and you'll probably need someone with a raise like a rdm or smn at a minimum, but I've done a few of the bosses with just a PLD and a RDM when the healer has DCed and the other DPS keeps dying or whatnot. Dungeons are made to be completed by even the most braindead players. Also I'm definitely not anything special and my opinions can be wrong on things. I'm definitely a moron from time to time, but this game is deliberately forgiving in dungeons to the point where any role can be superfluous.
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Sep 5, 2017 20:03
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Renegret posted:I hope they make it so that Sprint eats all your TP again because it was a lot of fun eating an accidental goad as a caster then popping sprint in response. If no one is AOEing to need TP I'll put goad on casters for fun.
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Sep 5, 2017 20:04
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:you need to actually purchase the 90 days of sub time during the promotion. if you didn't buy more than a month at a time, it's unlikely you bought 3 months during the promotion so far. I have purchased it and it doesn't show up. June 27th, July 27th, Aug 26th. Bunch of hot garbage. I'll make a ticket with SE
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Sep 5, 2017 20:12
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Fister Roboto posted:DPS gets asked to use goad on a tank, and not only doesn't, but also says absolutely nothing for five minutes and continues to dps as if he's ignoring the tank, and gets kicked for it. Goons rush in to defend him. There's no contractual obligation to respond to anyone, even if they're being polite, in party chat. Kicking someone for not using goad (or defending the act of kicking someone for using goad) is the kind of poo poo that cements your position in the grime layer at the very bottom of the DF pool you petulant child. Just do the 20 minute dungeon, withhold your commendation as a final passive aggressive fart and move on. If you take a look at the reasons available to kick someone, none of them mention your damaged superiority complex, so do yourself and everyone else a favor and just quit the sub optimal dungeon run instead. Thanks!
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Sep 5, 2017 20:17
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So I'm doing PotD for XP since I basically have to get 47-49 with no quests available, and I can't queue for the 31st floor because it says my gear is insufficient. So do I have to reset back to floor one and hope I actually get silver chests to spawn so I can have my gear higher than +13 Arm +4 Armor?
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Sep 5, 2017 20:18
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Bolow posted:So I'm doing PotD for XP since I basically have to get 47-49 with no quests available, and I can't queue for the 31st floor because it says my gear is insufficient? So do I have to reset back to floor one and hope I actually get silver chests to spawn so I can have my gear higher than +13 Arm +4 Armor? Yes. Or use the second save slot if you haven't already to go back to 1. Potd is what you call 'not good'.
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Sep 5, 2017 20:19
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counterpoint: kick whoever you want, whenever you want, as long as you can get someone else to go for it
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Sep 5, 2017 20:21
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GreenBuckanneer posted:I have purchased it and it doesn't show up. June 27th, July 27th, Aug 26th. Bunch of hot garbage. I'll make a ticket with SE the promotion didn't start until july so your june sub money doesn't count
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Sep 5, 2017 20:22
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Velthice posted:the promotion didn't start until july so your june sub money doesn't count Except: quote:If you have remaining subscription time that was purchased before the campaign period, or you have an active recurring subscription, we will calculate any remaining game time available as of Saturday, July 1, towards the campaign. Oh..... Oh that's loving bullshit. (because it starts on july 1st, and i purchased on the 27th, that's only 66~ or so days paid "DURING" the promo period). I would have had to pay for four months based on when i purchased. t 
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Sep 5, 2017 20:23
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Shere posted:There's no contractual obligation to respond to anyone, even if they're being polite, in party chat. Alternatively I could just kick them and not give a gently caress. There's no contractual obligation to not kick someone for any reason you feel like.
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Sep 5, 2017 20:23
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Bolow posted:So I'm doing PotD for XP since I basically have to get 47-49 with no quests available, and I can't queue for the 31st floor because it says my gear is insufficient. So do I have to reset back to floor one and hope I actually get silver chests to spawn so I can have my gear higher than +13 Arm +4 Armor? Have you checked the side room in the waking sands where all the folks you barely know hang out? There should be seeds for a few 47-49 quests there that'll help, unless you've already done those.
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unseenlibrarian posted:Have you checked the side room in the waking sands where all the folks you barely know hang out? There should be seeds for a few 47-49 quests there that'll help, unless you've already done those. I have not, I'll take a look over there
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Fister Roboto posted:Alternatively I could just kick them and not give a gently caress. Abusing the kick function is something you can pretty reliably be GM'd for actually.
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Except: hm yea I dunno then.  good luck with your ticket
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Fister Roboto posted:Alternatively I could just kick them and not give a gently caress. You do you, but don't act like you're not the socially maladjusted pubbie in this scenario.
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ImpAtom posted:Abusing the kick function is something you can pretty reliably be GM'd for actually. 
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I do my best to have a fast, clean run no matter what role I'm playing and no matter how bad the shitters I'm paired with are. Doing anything else is being an rear end in a top hat primadonna
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ImpAtom posted:Abusing the kick function is something you can pretty reliably be GM'd for actually. incorrect, you can only get in trouble for stuff you say, but "abusing the votekick system" is basically a nonexistant offense ever since they went and basically gave people the go ahead to kick whoever, whenever for difference of playstyles
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Velthice posted:incorrect, you can only get in trouble for stuff you say, but "abusing the votekick system" is basically a nonexistant offense ever since they went and basically gave people the go ahead to kick whoever, whenever for difference of playstyles If you say so. I've seen it happen so v  v
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Sep 5, 2017 20:32
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Obviously no contractual obligation to avoid self-cannibalizing pettiness, but it's a lovely hill to die on. The times I need Goad are far less common than when I need a self heal or two, or my own TP recovery, or a stun (Kenki Release/various Fist trash casts), or an enmity drop. DRGs can more easily make room for Goad due to Elusive, but it's loving Duty Finder for two month old content. It's more efficient to switch to single target rotation around 200-300 TP than to take a stand on it with randos.
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Sep 5, 2017 20:33
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If you avoid standing in the orange parts of the ground you won't need a self heal or two
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Sep 5, 2017 20:35
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ImpAtom posted:If you say so. I've seen it happen so v How do you prove that the majority of the party agreeing that they want to remove someone from the party constitutes abuse of the system that allows you to do exactly that?
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Sep 5, 2017 20:37
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just lol if you dont zone into your daily exdr say hi, pull, kill poo poo, zone out. I am noticing a lot more healers dpsing which is nice. Even when I do giant pulls. And they don't give a poo poo if I go dps stance on bosses.
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Sep 5, 2017 20:40
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Saint Freak posted:If you avoid standing in the orange parts of the ground you won't need a self heal or two Exactly. Definitely covered since there's no unavoidable damage and all healers in DF are pro.
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Sep 5, 2017 20:40
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A heal that heals four people that take unavoidable damage and a heal that hits 3 people and 1 dude that second winded cost the same.
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Saint Freak posted:If you avoid standing in the orange parts of the ground you won't need a self heal or two You'd think that but when the tank double pulls the latter third of Kugane and the two maru-robots end up on either side of him there's not a whole lot of places to stand in melee where you're not going to get hit by their constant clearout cleaves. I suppose you could stand behind one and single target it down but that's slow and bad.
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My primary use for second wind these days is when pugging O3S during the dimensional wave->cave waltz. Since everybody is running around I might miss one of the heals by being out of range but second wind usually sorts that out
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Fister Roboto posted:How do you prove that the majority of the party agreeing that they want to remove someone from the party constitutes abuse of the system that allows you to do exactly that? Were they afk, offline, or harassing you? e: Maybe they were "cheating" you out of a speed clear lmao
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I genuinely and wholeheartedly feel like goons play an entirely different game from me to be honest. Like the FFXIV I hear discussed here is a hellhole of angry DPS-counters who are giant assholes to each other and get into screaming matches and have huge disaster runs with honest healers and ice-only black mages or whatever and then I actually play the game and it's a genuinely chill and relaxed group of people where the most significant difference outside of savage content is a relatively short time different and most people are friendly and helpful. Like the case I mentioned above was the GM talking to people in a LS I was part of because they kicked a healer because their friend signed on and said so in chat and apparently that was enough to get a GM talking to them. (From what they said at least when they were whining.) Even if it wasn't it's pretty weird to go "Well it's PART OF THE SYSTEM so WHATEVER" as if it doesn't make you an rear end in a top hat to do it. You can also roll for poo poo you promised not to roll for and a GM will come talk to you about that too. It's just so weird to me what a huge gap there is between discussions here and what I actually see in play. v v
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