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Seashell Salesman posted:It boggles the mind that the internet has given us both online dating/tinder/grindr and incels. To an extent it was probably inevitable, though the incels have always been there. They're just more visible now. But pre internet dating apps people were more willing to settle for who was close by, and had at least a little less warped (though certainly still not really healthy) views of relationships and sex. Sure some people still totally struck out, but now the internet amplifies that appearance and feeling. Actually now I'm kind of wondering about the shifts in cultural attitudes about single people, by choice or otherwise, over time. Have we gotten to a point where people who are single are considered more or less of an anomaly or in some way untrustworthy or inherently flawed? I can see points for both sides.
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I think we're overly dismissive of some things that the incels do have right (but over-extrapolate). I think "online dating" has been a genuine net ill, in part because so much success is predicated on appearance and specifically a photo where even in the bullshit town where I grew up you saw people around and could get their vibe in person before you even necessarily got into a dating frame of mind.
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Sep 6, 2017 08:27
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Incels have always been there but this extreme variant of them has not Between pornography and various media warping their feeble minds and them participating in the most grotesque and toxic hugbox communities, we're seeing a new level of incel, one more depraved and pathetic than ever before
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Sep 6, 2017 08:29
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We have to get real about the fact that porn at its current prevalence and vulgarity is causing problems. Booby magazines are fine, but forcing women to choke on baked turds on a casting couch is not a great way to teach 8 year olds about sex.
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Sep 6, 2017 08:30
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Pick posted:We have to get real about the fact that porn at its current prevalence and vulgarity is causing problems. Booby magazines are fine, but forcing women to choke on baked turds on a casting couch is not a great way to teach 8 year olds about sex. wow prude, everyone has sex at 8 now. By 12 most girls have had thousands of sexual partners, mostly chads get with the times 
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Sep 6, 2017 08:33
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But what about the girls that really want to choke on baked turds on a casting couch, huh? What about the artists who elevate choking on baked turds on a casting couch to an art form?
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Sep 6, 2017 08:42
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Pick posted:I think we're overly dismissive of some things that the incels do have right (but over-extrapolate). I think "online dating" has been a genuine net ill, in part because so much success is predicated on appearance and specifically a photo where even in the bullshit town where I grew up you saw people around and could get their vibe in person before you even necessarily got into a dating frame of mind. That reminds me, I was listening a few months back to some show on NPR and they were doing a thing on online dating and talking to some expert and a guy who had agreed to have his profile critiqued, and for one that sounded like a total pain and worse than putting together a resume especially if you're bad at representing yourself, but the main thing I came away from it with was a feeling that the whole thing was pretty manipulative. Like they were talking about how he has to consider the type of people he wants to attract and their life plans and the like and tailor his profile to that. Trying to narrow the odds by doing that makes sense, but it also seems pretty reductive of the other person. I'm not saying that all relationships from online dating are manipulative and fake , because it's just there as a starting point, but it would leave me feeling like a liar at the start of any encounter. I don't think online dating is necessarily bad, as it has a useful place as people are more geographically mobile and have fewer immediate personal connections, but it probably does play a significant role in increasing insularity.
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Sep 6, 2017 08:42
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True but I think in large part pornography, and consumer culture generally, is preying on people being "geographically mobile" which to be honest often manifests itself as "socially detached". It's like we're a nation of army brats.
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I found this video essay about why in some movies/shows/animes a female character is framed as "naive, childish, knows nothing about the world" - and it might shed some light on the reason these guys really want a 16 year old - https://youtu.be/0thpEyEwi80 (hope this wasnt already posted) The tl;dw of this is that "the subtext of the trope is rooted in a deep seated male insecurity around experienced women and sexuality".
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Sep 6, 2017 09:10
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I pan-fry my turds personally
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Solar Tornado posted:The tl;dw of this is that "the subtext of the trope is rooted in a deep seated male insecurity around experienced women and sexuality". I found the one thing that unites the East & West 
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fruit on the bottom posted:I pan-fry my turds personally get out of here applebees
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Solar Tornado posted:The tl;dw of this is that "the subtext of the trope is rooted in a deep seated male insecurity around experienced women and sexuality".
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Sep 6, 2017 09:37
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I really have to wonder what is driving that, and whether it can be resolved. Because it's fine for teens to be teens--they're developing, that's the point, that's why it is funny that they're dumb. But an adult with the mindset of a teenager is literally dangerous, and a terrifying prospect.
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Sep 6, 2017 09:38
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Takes hotter than an incel's rage against femuloids
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I still don't have much sympathy for incels but I think it's worth noticing that they're observing aspects of real patterns, and then drawing incorrect conclusions from them. But they don't exactly come from nothing.
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Sep 6, 2017 10:15
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So what are these incels gonna do once they hit 40/50 with the same hosed up mindsets as when they were younger, provided they don't forcibly remove themselves from the gene pool altogether?
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Sep 6, 2017 10:36
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Hopefully ldar
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Domestic Amuse posted:So what are these incels gonna do once they hit 40/50 with the same hosed up mindsets as when they were younger, provided they don't forcibly remove themselves from the gene pool altogether?
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Sep 6, 2017 12:46
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The ldar, (Lay Down And Rot), stuff annoys me. Lets humour them, and pretend that the experience of innocent teenage love/sex is the greatest thing in the world. (It's not really. It is awkward and sweet and painfull and weird and a bit poo poo. Much like everyones teenage years). But assuming what they believe is true, and that they have missed out on it and will never achieve it. Why give up? So you won't get X ever. The world isn't only X. There are plenty of fun things in teh world that are still good, even if they aren't as good as X. Sure its sad you won't get X, tragic even. But why deny yourself the all the other stuff out there that is almost as good. Its there bullshit reasoning that goes "why shower? Stacy will never gently caress me, she'll only gently caress Chad." Even if that evil bullshit is true, by their own reasoning if you shower you might get to gently caress a 'roastie', which is better than not loving anyone. But these fuckwits missed out on something that Pretty in Pink and Sixteen Candles and 80s other 80s High School movies promised them, so they have chucked a tanty and aren't even going to try for all the other joys and wonders this world has to offer.
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BrigadierSensible posted:The ldar, (Lay Down And Rot), stuff annoys me. Ldar is the only good thing about these guys. Don't try to encourage them to go outside. Not everyone is actually worth saving, thats a phallacy Start a fail son corpse clean up service or invest in one now. Business should be good hail satan
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ldar and the underlying catastrophisation is just a coping mechanism, dudes, it's not an actual assessment of their life opportunities
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fruit on the bottom posted:Today is there first English class of this year in my school, us students walked in, I was a bit late to there due to toilet and all students were sitting there, given assignments and doing (albeit not much) their works already. 
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Noblesse Obliged posted:phallacy I don't know how I'm going to do it and I don't know if this was a typo or not, but you better loving believe I am going to adopt this for my everyday use
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Lt. Danger posted:ldar and the underlying catastrophisation is just a coping mechanism, dudes, it's not an actual assessment of their life opportunities I'm not sure. Having the feeling that there's something fundamentally wrong with you that will make your interactions with others negative can be really depressing and pervasive because everything is interactions with others. You won't get a good job, because that's an interaction with your potential boss. If you take up a hobby it'll have to be solitary because otherwise there's interactions with others involved.
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Well if you're a self pitying toxic hateful insecure manbaby who is scared of just about everything in the world, then yeah, things are going to suck for u that's on u tho
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Zzulu posted:Well if you're a self pitying toxic hateful insecure manbaby who is scared of just about everything in the world, then yeah, things are going to suck for u right. because women. who are stupid, but also evil, and psychic 
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Zzulu posted:Well if you're a self pitying toxic hateful insecure manbaby who is scared of just about everything in the world, then yeah, things are going to suck for u ouch, right in my splanch
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also, I disagree with your conclusion. Seeing as people are nothing more than the net result of their experiences, and Determinism is a thing (deal with it), then a lot of people ultimately have no choice or say in who they are, beyond superficial things. If people have a lot of negative things happen to them, or at least things they interpret or deal with negatively, it's going to change how they react to things in the future/present. While it may be up to them to a degree how they choose to change their behavior as a result, it is NOT up to them that their behavior is changed in the first place. McGiggins fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Sep 6, 2017 |
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Zzulu posted:Well if you're a self pitying toxic hateful insecure manbaby who is scared of just about everything in the world, then yeah, things are going to suck for u Exactly. And if it's all on you, then you're right to be scared. And if you're right to be scared then you're right to be self-pitying and insecure.. it really quickly becomes self-reinforcing.
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I wonder if theres a black male incel version of a chad?  BornAPoorBlkChild fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Sep 6, 2017 |
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BrigadierSensible posted:The ldar, (Lay Down And Rot), stuff annoys me. I think the question then is what is the mental block that keeps them from moving on to something else. (It's misogyny.) Even taking the romantic element out of any relationships, people who don't have any friends can usually find something else to distract themselves with. I'm using distract here because loneliness and feelings of rejection don't go away, you just avoid and handle them when necessary and try to keep from getting hung up on it.
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Pick posted:I think we're overly dismissive of some things that the incels do have right (but over-extrapolate). I think "online dating" has been a genuine net ill, in part because so much success is predicated on appearance and specifically a photo where even in the bullshit town where I grew up you saw people around and could get their vibe in person before you even necessarily got into a dating frame of mind. online dating can help people meet with someone they normally might not have, and even with the online component you have to meet in person at some point anyway and that's kind of the more important bit. the online part of that drops away for subsequent dates I certainly think it's a net positive for most people who use it, and i wouldn't let a sub forum of angsty teens convince you otherwise Speaking of which, apparently not having sex is on par with starving to death: quote:"Nobody is entitled to a relationship" - normie female My Linux Rig fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Sep 6, 2017 |
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o https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelTears/comments/6pi3v0/incel_wants_black_people_banned_from_rincels/  guess im not turtley enough for the turtle club! 
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Pick posted:right. because women. who are stupid, but also evil, and psychic Wish it to the cornfield, ladies. Please, wish it to the cornfield.
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Race Realists posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelTears/comments/6pi3v0/incel_wants_black_people_banned_from_rincels/
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Race Realists posted:o if only we could somehow harness the leviathan power of the insecurity and self loathing of these ridiculous men
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Race Realists posted:I wonder if theres a black male incel version of a chad? Tyrone, I expect.
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Race Realists posted:o And yet another community bans Jon Pop
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Palpek posted:It's cool how they keep looking for "legitimate" reasons to make your little idiot club sexist, homophobic, antisemitic and racist. The incel plight is truly special. they ALL seem to think Black Males are just giant 6'5 roid monsters with giant dongs its nothing short of amazing what Interracial Porn has done to an entire generation Edit: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/Incels/comments/588suw/how_do_you_guys_feel_about_black_incels/ quote:u/robotninobrown • Oct 19, 2016, 9:03 AM BornAPoorBlkChild fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Sep 6, 2017 |
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