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Cernunnos posted:An official Pokemon game would have also put this encounter somewhere around halfway through the game, leveled it appropriately and then let you return for the other one in the post game, probably by requiring you have the one you caught in your party, and possibly just giving the drat thing to you without a fight. Probably in a real Pokemon game they'd be version exclusives, so whichever one you got would depend on which 'colour' game you were playing. So you could at least pick which one you wanted when you chose which game to get, and you wouldn't have to fight both of them at once, in a random event, at level 90. And we thought roamning legendaries were a pain in the rear end.
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Manatee Cannon posted:to be fair, roaming legendaries are still worse Yeah. Thankfully Uranium has none of those. Legit best choice they made.
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Manatee Cannon posted:to be fair, roaming legendaries are still worse It is really telling that even gamefreak seems to have realized this after gen 4's roaming disaster considering BW1 had one roamer per version and only appeared on one of three routes depending on time of day, BW2 had none what so ever, XY had 1 (depending on starter) that was bad since you needed to see it 11 times but then it went back to a cave to roost, ORAS turned the roaming lati into a gift, and then SM had none. The fact uranium doesn't have a roamer is honestly surprising to me!
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Sep 7, 2017 02:01
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Honestly, "guy with a pokemon you can't catch" seems pretty small on the list of sins. I mean, Sun/Moon has a bunch of tourist trainers whose entire thing is they have versions of Alola-form pokemon that you can't catch.
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There are lots of Akis, Asamis, and Harukas in anime so those could be anything. Zakkun is a World of Warcraft boss. This theme is extremely confusing.
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Endorph posted:There are lots of Akis, Asamis, and Harukas in anime so those could be anything. Zakkun is a World of Warcraft boss. This theme is extremely confusing. It's literally just this rear end in a top hat's team. Who names all of their pokemon to a single theme?
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Stroth posted:It's literally just this rear end in a top hat's team. Who names all of their pokemon to a single theme? do puns count
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Stroth posted:It's literally just this rear end in a top hat's team. Who names all of their pokemon to a single theme? Me, usually Marvel or DC characters
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Stroth posted:It's literally just this rear end in a top hat's team. Who names all of their pokemon to a single theme? 
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Haifisch posted:How else are you supposed to think of six names for your playthrough? By restricting yourself to a single theme.
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Glazius posted:Honestly, "guy with a pokemon you can't catch" seems pretty small on the list of sins. I mean, Sun/Moon has a bunch of tourist trainers whose entire thing is they have versions of Alola-form pokemon that you can't catch. You can breed non-Alola forms of those Pokemon with a held item, though I forget which.
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Dabir posted:You can breed non-Alola forms of those Pokemon with a held item, though I forget which. Everstone, but only if you have the Kanto version.
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Dr. Fetus posted:Everstone, but only if you have the Kanto version. and between GTS, Wonder Trade, and Pokemon Bank if you got XY or ORAS, you can get those - quite easily sometimes if someone happens to be breeding, but Uranium is a fan game, there's no way of getting Gengar legitimately.
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I kind of like the idea of a trainer with an unavailable Pokemon. It reminds me of the early, early days when Togepi and That said, the execution on this one was dorky.
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he has the big, super special pokemon and it's a trade evolution you can't even get kill me
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Sorites posted:I kind of like the idea of a trainer with an unavailable Pokemon. Did Misty ever evolve that Togepi?
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She did and then she immediately released it because that's what happens in the anime with evolved mons.
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Not as much as people like to think it does.
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Waterfall of Salt posted:She did and then she immediately released it because that's what happens in the anime with evolved mons. Bye Bye Butterfree was a mistake.
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alcharagia posted:trade evolution Back to this again, huh? Try as hard as you might, uranium, you can't make me hate Sylveon.
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rannum posted:It is really telling that even gamefreak seems to have realized this after gen 4's roaming disaster considering BW1 had one roamer per version and only appeared on one of three routes depending on time of day, BW2 had none what so ever, XY had 1 (depending on starter) that was bad since you needed to see it 11 times but then it went back to a cave to roost, ORAS turned the roaming lati into a gift, and then SM had none. If I recall from early in the thread correctly, this is probably more of a programming limitation than a conscious good decision on the part of Uranium's creators.
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The Groundhog Day thing if you mess up catching the legendary makes me wonder why they didn't use the same idea with the scene you get if you lose to Curie. So they could do their world ending Game Over, but also send you back to the pokemon center and let you change your team or grind instead of potentially leaving you in an unwinnable state.
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SilverFox442 posted:If I recall from early in the thread correctly, this is probably more of a programming limitation than a conscious good decision on the part of Uranium's creators. Gruckles posted:The Groundhog Day thing if you mess up catching the legendary makes me wonder why they didn't use the same idea with the scene you get if you lose to Curie. So they could do their world ending Game Over, but also send you back to the pokemon center and let you change your team or grind instead of potentially leaving you in an unwinnable state.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Minor nuisance #255. One more and it rolls over to none, at least! Well I appreciate you keeping track of Uranium's problems in a thematic way.
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In defense of Gengar being here, I remember that the postgame of X and Y, you had to battle a bunch of trainers that all had Pokémon that were completely unavailable in those games. There was even some confusion as to Whimsicott's type being changed since no one was able to datamine the 3DS games at the time and Pokémon Box wasn't available yet. However, I doubt the people behind Uranium are developing a second campaign with all the other Pokémon like Game Freak has done since Gen 3.
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It's not that you had to, the cafes around the world had trainers that could show up with tons of Pokemon you couldn't get, specifically to help you fill out your national dex, since just seeing them is enough.
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Eh, I can't be mad at someone who invests money into the development of a game and is rewarded for it. It just would've been nice to give all the other players a shot at having a Gengar. Have Adam gift you a Gastly egg once you've finished the subplot? And, sure, that would mean it's locked behind post-game, but if the GTS isn't totally hosed, there should still be ways to get a Gastly through that. Gengarite can stay strictly post-game so Adam gets to show off his mega ghost first. I also gotta wonder what the hell the point is of giving Heatran a trio and then not including Heatran at all. Another weird point: Lanthan and Actan are genderless mon, while Heatran has the distinction of being the only Legendary able to be male or female. (Ignoring what non-gameplay stuff like the Pokedexes and the anime might say about other Legendaries.) It's just... what is even the point of associating two new Legendaries with Heatran if it doesn't seem like it fits in at all in the group, and if it isn't even available? And don't say it's because Heatran is native to Sinnoh - the official games found a way to put RSE's trio in Johto and DPP's lake guardians all over Unova. BW2 and ORAS also had a spare Heatran each, so there is no reason for Uranium not doing the same. - An unrelated thought I had regarding Lucille: Does she as CURIE ever imply that she recognizes her husband and child? I understand why she might not, since given what we're told about how stasis works, it would make sense for her memories to fade and warp. The downside is that it robs the protagonist of any chance to actually confront what their mother has done. Up until the very end, CURIE is nothing more than a faceless villain who only interacts with you by talking about how much she wants to see you suffer. By the time she's finally unmasked, Lucille is comatose, and she never has to answer for what she's done. You only ever get to confront CURIE the masked monster - not Lucille, your long-lost mother who now wants you dead. Compare to the Bad Parents of Black/White and Sun/Moon: You actually get to see them treat their kids like garbage and see how said children react, and in BW2 and SM you get to watch them finally call their parents out. SM even tries to make its villain sympathetic just as Uranium does, and while it's debatable how well that works, I think the SM writers gave more thought into what motivated that character*, compared to Uranium using "the isolation drove her mad and now she wants to murder everything for no reason" as its only justification. (* Judgement subject to change depending on what happens in USUM.) It'd be difficult to pull off the same kind of interaction with the silent protagonist. Then again, we also have Kellyn present. He too could have had some kind of interaction with Lucille, reminding her that she nearly killed him and their only child, telling her of the ten years he spent ignoring their child to search for her. But in the end, it seems that all we'll get is Kellyn talking about Lucille, instead of anyone actually having a conversation with her. Judgement subject to change if there actually is a resolution to Lucille's story, now or in the future.
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In defense of Gengar he's fuckin' awesome
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Dexie posted:Not as much as people like to think it does. Just going form the initial Kanto run, Ash first trades Butterfree away and then later releases him, gives away Primeape, and releases Pidgeot the same episode it evolved. Charizard also becomes disobedient upon evolution and Bulbasaur and Pikachu both have episodes based on them not wanting to evolve. Add in the Magikarp evolution and the Eevee brother episode and it's clear that Pokémon was really against Pokemon evolving for some reason  I'll give you later on thoughRabbi Raccoon posted:In defense of Gengar he's fuckin' awesome Absolutely. But Haunter is better
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Waterfall of Salt posted:Just going form the initial Kanto run, Ash first trades Butterfree away and then later releases him, gives away Primeape, and releases Pidgeot the same episode it evolved. If Ash can't grow up, nobody can grow up.
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Blockhouse posted:Otohime is from One Piece (and a giant mermaid princess so that's appropriate) and Fii is from No Game No Life, I don't get any of the other ones "Um, actually Otohime was the giant mermaid princess' normal-sized mother, you're thinking of Shirahoshi." -Paul, probably (also me  )I think the most annoying part about this game's dialog is how suddenly all the bullshit fan terminology has been insufferably shoehorned into the world (like Adam's line referring to the "three Legendaries of metal" like "Legendaries" is just a word normal people use, and how NPCs will casually refer to game mechanics that were always couched in oblique terms before). But, I guess fanfic authors have never exactly had a great deal of respect for the fiction if it got in the way of their dumb ideas.
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MiracleFlare posted:I also gotta wonder what the hell the point is of giving Heatran a trio and then not including Heatran at all. Another weird point: Lanthan and Actan are genderless mon, while Heatran has the distinction of being the only Legendary able to be male or female. (Ignoring what non-gameplay stuff like the Pokedexes and the anime might say about other Legendaries.) The answer here is super simple. They slapped a "1.0" label on their fangame when it wasn't even feature complete and they knew it wasn't feature complete. They hadn't put in Heatran yet, simply, before they got slapped with a C&D. Same goes with their other legendary trio. My guess is that they thought of the trio, figured "oh you can use the other two to get heatran" (actually pretty common in pokemon, see also Kyurem, Rayquaza, Regigigas) but then got their (poke)balls shattered by Nintendo before they could actually put that plan into action. It's a different kind of Uranium stupidity than normal, but it's still Uranium stupidity - painting a target on themselves before they'd even technically finished because they couldn't keep it in their pants.
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And they never bring up her crimes. Has there been anything that was at all surprising about this game other than terrible design decisions? Decided to play through the Sage demo again to try the more obscure Pokemon, namely Leukoon and Lumishroom. The former was a bitch to find, but fun as gently caress to use: it trivializes Stella's Magnitogre with its giant bulk and Curse + Night Shade. Evolving the latter was a journey on its own. I wanted it to be part of the Admin fight, so I chose an arbitrary way to get paralyzed: spamming Stun Spore on a Doppole and hoping it used Copycat. Has there been any other fan games that has a completely original dex? I'll probably move on to official Pokemon games after this play through so I'm just wondering.
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theGrooseofLegend posted:Has there been any other fan games that has a completely original dex? I'll probably move on to official Pokemon games after this play through so I'm just wondering. Most of the ones we've mentioned in-thread have had original dexes. Reborn, Sage, Clover, even Pokemon Quartz.
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Stroth posted:It's literally just this rear end in a top hat's team. Who names all of their pokemon to a single theme? One of my Pokemon X runs was Scott Pilgrim themed. Each Pokemon was one of the 7 Evil Exes. Girafarig covered both Katayanagis so I could fit all 7 in.
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ChrisBTY posted:One of my Pokemon X runs was Scott Pilgrim themed. ...I am now honestly curious about what the rest were.
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EclecticTastes posted:I think the most annoying part about this game's dialog is how suddenly all the bullshit fan terminology has been insufferably shoehorned into the world (like Adam's line referring to the "three Legendaries of metal" like "Legendaries" is just a word normal people use, and how NPCs will casually refer to game mechanics that were always couched in oblique terms before). But, I guess fanfic authors have never exactly had a great deal of respect for the fiction if it got in the way of their dumb ideas. I just finished playing through Insurgence (different fan game) and this bugged the hell out of me. NPC dialog is just littered with 'Shinies', IV's, EV's, Legendaries, talk of status conditions impacting speed/turn order, and junk like that. There's something really off putting about playing a game and following along with the story only to have some kid standing in the street go "My Shiny Blaziken is the best. I worked really hard to make sure it has the perfect EV spread." Personally, I think part of it is laziness. Like you said, normally stuff like that is couched in oblique terms or described in a way that the characters of that world would realistically describe it. But why bother with that garbage when you can just dump all the terms and mechanics on the floor and leave it? Psycho Knight fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Sep 12, 2017 |
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Psycho Knight posted:I just finished playing through Insurgence (different fan game) and this bugged the hell out of me. NPC dialog is just littered with 'Shinies', IV's, EV's, Legendaries, talk of status conditions impacting speed/turn order, and junk like that. There's something really off putting about playing a game and following along with the story only to have some kid standing in the street going "My Shiny Blaziken is the best. I worked really hard to make sure it has the perfect EV spread." To be fair about the Shiny thing the official games have been using that term since Black and White. Then again only one or two NPCs talked about it, and even then only in one location (a house in Nimbasa city, if anyone's curious). I don't think the official games have ever called EVs and IVs by name, though. You tend to get NPCs talking about "potential" instead of IVs.
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