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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

lmao

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SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


https://twitter.com/leslieleeiii/status/905890267349360641

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

yoober posted:

I've never heard of a cop making less than $70k base

In Texas, I've seen anywhere from low 40s to low 60s, so I'm assuming plenty of officers make less than 50k.

Know Such Peace
Dec 30, 2008
Has any crazy person published a Sorkin-esque ‘Hillary Needs to Run Again’ think piece yet? If not, any bets on the first writer and when it will come out?

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Probably Magic posted:

TNC is important because he puts a helluva lot of research into stuff and makes really good cases for affirmative actions and a lot of other poo poo, but I feel he stumbles on some of his prescriptions on the basis of him that racism is a Cosmic Law of the Universe as opposed to a tool of practicality. It's probably overly romantic of me to think you can argue the racism out of people (and to be fair, I think it can only be done with some, over a long period of time), but I'm not sure that automatically assuming the white man is a Fallen Creature Who Will Never Get It leads to anywhere... helpful. It may or may not be true, it's just... where do you go from there if you assume that's automatically the case? You kill the idea of a coalition from the start.

yeah, but on the other hand white leftists don't get to tell black people that black nationalism is wrong

zegermans posted:

oh man the deplorables backlash was pure Clinton - she straight COULD NOT directly apologize because she's incapable of swallowing her pride when she thinks she's right (she was in this case as almost every poll shows)

the deplorables was the closest thing Clinton did to directly speaking truth from her heart the whole campaign and all the criticism of it is just that it was bad politics without arguing against it on the merits

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Nanomashoes posted:

WhiskeyJuvenile feels a lot of kinship with Coates because they're both ostensibly leftists but do absolutely nothing to advance leftist causes.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

the deplorables was the closest thing Clinton did to directly speaking truth from her heart the whole campaign and all the criticism of it is just that it was bad politics without arguing against it on the merits

It was made all the worse by her standard inability/refusal to own the moment, either by offering a genuine apology for writing off that demographic, or by steadfastly defending that a disturbing proportion of Trump's base really are part of the curbstomp set.

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006


Sir have you heard the good word of a certain "Killer Mike", a well known rap-type enthusiast?

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Know Such Peace posted:

Has any crazy person published a Sorkin-esque ‘Hillary Needs to Run Again’ think piece yet? If not, any bets on the first writer and when it will come out?

Jared Kushner's rag put out a "Democrats must Ruck the Zuck!!!!" piece

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

Captain_Maclaine posted:

It was made all the worse by her standard inability/refusal to own the moment, either by offering a genuine apology for writing off that demographic, or by steadfastly defending that a disturbing proportion of Trump's base really are part of the curbstomp set.

For real, she could have just loving read off poll numbers of all the heinous poo poo they believed (while kinda glossing over that bad dems believe the same at much lower levels)

Lessail
Apr 1, 2011

:cry::cry:
tell me how vgk aren't playing like shit again
:cry::cry:
p.s. help my grapes are so sour!

zegermans posted:

Sir have you heard the good word of a certain "Killer Mike", a well known rap-type enthusiast?

way to miss the point of the tweet lol

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Ytlaya posted:

I think the most dangerous thing about this sort of rhetoric is that it creates a vulnerability in situations where the morally right thing might not also be the most efficient economically. Like, yeah, immigrants are good for the economy, but what if they weren't Kamala? Would that make you change your mind?

Like, it just so happens that stuff like providing real universal healthcare actually saves the government money, but even if didn't it would still be the moral thing to do. It's really risky to frame things in this way.

thats exactly why libs frame it that way

SKULL.GIF posted:

I forgot about Wu

https://twitter.com/TransMafiosa/status/905734796004909056

I hope she wins, video from Congress would be hilarious

dont most cops already make 70-100 grand a year?

poo poo, i was barely getting 35k at the top of the scale at a grocery store. i'd be a cop for those wages if they actually served the public instead of terrorizing minorities to serve big business

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

the deplorables was the closest thing Clinton did to directly speaking truth from her heart the whole campaign and all the criticism of it is just that it was bad politics without arguing against it on the merits

Look man you need to get over this Clinton thing. It ain't doing you any favors. Even zerger has moved on.

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

yoober posted:

I've never heard of a cop making less than $70k base

in missouri, some rural cops can make as little as $10.50 an hour

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


just in: wages vary based on where you live

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

SKULL.GIF posted:

just in: wages vary based on where you live

unless you're in virginia, in which case your starting salary for being a state trooper is like $35k regardless of where you live

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

SKULL.GIF posted:

just in: wages vary based on where you live

not enough. cant even break even with rent prices around here, at 20 bucks an hour. but a pig in texas gettin 50k/yr can live like a king

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar
Not all cops are rich or make good money for their area.

Collectively earning your keep through the same struggle and exposure to danger for a greater cause improves solidarity more than if they were immediately comfortable upon hiring, combined with cost effective service management and distribution.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


ThndrShk2k posted:

Not all cops are rich or make good money for their area.

Collectively earning your keep through the same struggle and exposure to danger for a greater cause improves solidarity more than if they were immediately comfortable upon hiring, combined with cost effective service management and distribution.

so what your saying is make the cops work for tips?

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/905851948561203200

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool
cops have decent salaries but they have really good OT pay and pensions, most people do not

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

thank god, now endorse gloria lariva 2020

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


https://twitter.com/DemSocialists/status/905572154699341824
https://twitter.com/DemSocialists/status/905896433198534656

wonder what Democrat membership growth//enthusiasm is like over the past year

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004

TNC should be more like TCC and chronicle the effects of freebasing OFF Deep Woods bug repellent

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

SKULL.GIF posted:

wonder what Democrat membership growth//enthusiasm is like over the past year

% of people who identify as dem has gone from around 35% to around 28% in the past 12 years. you tell me.

republicans are faring worse by about 2-3%

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Venom Snake posted:

I agree in the sense that TNC probably preserves most of his criticism for the left because talking about the rightwing is essentially pointless. Bernie and others could be convinced to adopt more radical pro-black positions. Anyone to the right of him? lol

One thing that kind of annoys me is that while the left has race problems, they are still objectively better than liberals in every way. Like, any problem the left has also exists with liberals, except magnified. A lot of people levy accurate criticism against the left but in a disproportionate way relative to the criticism they levy at liberals/mainstream Democrats.

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

anime was right posted:

cops have decent salaries but they have really good OT pay and pensions, most people do not

That's true as hell and most cop OT is mickey mouse bullshit

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

yeah, but on the other hand white leftists don't get to tell black people that black nationalism is wrong

Uh, why.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

anime was right posted:

% of people who identify as dem has gone from around 35% to around 28% in the past 12 years. you tell me.

republicans are faring worse by about 2-3%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

almost half the entire country identifies as independent (keep in mind, this includes people on the right who think trump is too left wing, probably)

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme
the nbc/wsj poll did some polling

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.

Like, if we're doing lovely arguments based on demographic authority, maybe the guy who employs a maid shouldn't be yelling at the guy who can't afford to finish college how to approach leftism.

Concerned Citizen posted:

the nbc/wsj poll did some polling



That Michelle hug really did Dubya some favors, didn't it.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

Concerned Citizen posted:

the nbc/wsj poll did some polling



lol liberals really miss gwb dont they

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/07/hillary-clinton-book-tour-democrats-242419

And many current candidates don’t want to be anywhere near her. After the initial book tour schedule was posted last month, one Democratic operative working on 2018 races notified 15 campaign clients that Clinton would be within 500 miles of them, warning them to prepare: "The more the focus is on us, and not Trump, the harder 2018 is going to be."

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Concerned Citizen posted:

the nbc/wsj poll did some polling


american amnesia strikes again

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

comedyblissoption posted:

american amnesia strikes again

gwb is in all likelihood worse than trump

unless, you know, trump starts a war with north korea which is entirely possible

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

the deplorables was the closest thing Clinton did to directly speaking truth from her heart the whole campaign and all the criticism of it is just that it was bad politics without arguing against it on the merits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Typo posted:

gwb is in all likelihood worse than trump

unless, you know, trump starts a war with north korea which is entirely possible
trump actually de-escalated syria lol (after making a grand stand of bombing it)

trump is just continuing obama/bush's other wars for now. he hasn't opened a new front yet

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SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


https://twitter.com/LanaDelRaytheon/status/905903779786047488

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