Seaside Loafer posted:

I think its only the characters with the addiction traits who wont do what you tell them. Those with or currently addicted will be straight for whatever their substance of choice is. Usually i just kill them it takes loving ages to dry them out. Though if you have a good one it can be worth the effort.

euphronius posted:

My nice fortress was destroyed by a huge Zzzzzzzzzzzt in the cooler which killed 9 colonists. It was spectacular. Now I know about having too many batteries and not running wires under walls.

Mzbundifund posted:

I thought the mini camp maps from that mod were temporary, just like raid maps after you clear the enemies. Do they not kick you out of the map after X days?

Seaside Loafer posted:

I think its only the characters with the addiction traits who wont do what you tell them. Those with or currently addicted will be straight for whatever their substance of choice is. Usually i just kill them it takes loving ages to dry them out. Though if you have a good one it can be worth the effort.

Mister Adequate posted:

Sadly the lack of Z-levels means that unlike DF, it's not possible to immure someone but keep feeding them by dumping food through the roof. That said, Slung Blade's got a great solution with his bases pulling double duty. (A fishing mod would also let someone do that instead of hunting in the second example.) Also I guess they can serve as emergency reserves so that if the main base gets wiped out, survivors could evac to the airbases.

Slung Blade posted:

So, this is a small part of my main base, all the living and work area is dug into the mountain to the right there.

Kubricize posted:

What mod gives the ship? Looks much easier to use than juggling a poo poo load of bat/wasp things from the cult mod.

Slung Blade posted:

I find the easiest way to dry someone out is to get the "set up camp" mod. It will generate a tiny map big enough to live on when you set out, and big enough build a tiny hut on.

I have a couple permanent mini maps for aircraft refueling bases that I've built decent stone buildings or bunkers on, but since they sit empty 99% of the time they are the perfect 'get away resort and rehab' spas.

Well stocked with chemfuel stores, a few hundred survival meals, basic joy items, and even decent furniture that I didn't need back at the main base anymore, your worthless junkie pawn can clean themselves up and go full cold turkey while you can ignore them completely. Since you will never have much wealth on the map, they generally keep low expectations, and combined with all the bonuses you can build in cheaply, their mood generally stays really high even in the depth of withdrawal. Methadone from the psychology mod helps a ton with this too.

I don't think the mini camp/ landing maps are eligible for big events, so they're quiet too. Still have weather so fireproofing is important. They all have geothermal vents (in my experience) so reliable and clean power is simple to get without the threat of battery fires.

Coolguye posted:

i'm unclear on how a lot of these sorts of projects happen in the normal course of a game without very heavy savescumming and/or modding. 10 years in is a lot, but that is close to 40 colonists. the game under vanilla REALLY starts throwing hissy fits when you get to 10 colonists and recruiting becomes very difficult and slow.

under normal circumstances i tend to lock junkies in simple double-thick walled 'cells' that have a nice bedroom, an outdoor horseshoes peg, and an outdoor work activity - i usually focus on highly work intensive activities like grand art sculptures, research, etc. the efficiency doesn't matter, the work is really only there to make them go outside to avoid cabin fever maluses. load the place up with food, wall off the doorway, and order food replenished as needed when the junkie is sleeping or is stable post freak out. you can load it up with a month's worth of pemmican if you want but that's a lot of work specifically for drying someone out. i'd rather just take down a wall every now and again to truck in more berries or whatever.

Sillybones posted:

I got the sedative mod and just kept them unable to stand up for a month or two. I think this is the most humane solution.

Danaru posted:

Wait which mod is this?

euphronius posted:

My nice fortress was destroyed by a huge Zzzzzzzzzzzt in the cooler which killed 9 colonists. It was spectacular. Now I know about having too many batteries and not running wires under walls.

Coolguye posted:

i'm unclear on how a lot of these sorts of projects happen in the normal course of a game without very heavy savescumming and/or modding. 10 years in is a lot, but that is close to 40 colonists. the game under vanilla REALLY starts throwing hissy fits when you get to 10 colonists and recruiting becomes very difficult and slow.

under normal circumstances i tend to lock junkies in simple double-thick walled 'cells' that have a nice bedroom, an outdoor horseshoes peg, and an outdoor work activity - i usually focus on highly work intensive activities like grand art sculptures, research, etc. the efficiency doesn't matter, the work is really only there to make them go outside to avoid cabin fever maluses. load the place up with food, wall off the doorway, and order food replenished as needed when the junkie is sleeping or is stable post freak out. you can load it up with a month's worth of pemmican if you want but that's a lot of work specifically for drying someone out. i'd rather just take down a wall every now and again to truck in more berries or whatever.

Gadzuko posted:

Time is all that matters. Ten years is a really long time. I'm at less than two years in my current save and I have 13 guys, I've probably passed up 3 or 4 recruitment events. Between slaves, captures and events it's pretty easy to get to 30 in ten years. Even if you only have a 1% chance to recruit somebody you've got a pretty good chance eventually when you can hit them up once (twice?) a day for months on end. You don't need mods to do it, and the only couple times I've reloaded were total colony wipes in the first year. It's just not as hard or inexplicable as you're making it out to be.

bird food bathtub posted:

Did you get any screenshots? Cause that sounds amazing and I want to see the mayhem.

Coolguye posted:

having finished dozens of games 10 colonists in 2 years is exceedingly rare

Coolguye posted:

even your example here has so many conditionals I think it actually is

i mean I've played no less of this game than anyone else here and im the one who just finishes games and gets it over with. it is why I always talk about the lower labor solutions that anyone can manage. having finished dozens of games 10 colonists in 2 years is exceedingly rare and a 1% chance to recruit becomes an unexpected positive surprise at that level for most prisoners. it is usually a fraction of a percent at that point without an exceptionally skilled warden.

i mean this isn't even meant to say anything about anyone it's just to point out that these massive colonies with humongous vaults are just not normal or usual and it surprises me that pretty much all screenshots shared in this thread include both.

Gadzuko posted:

But... I don't have any conditionals in there? Unless you count reloading due to total failure. I just played a normal game, I have a few mods like EPOE and cultist but if anything cultist has decreased my population due to sacrifices. I don't really pay attention to recruitment percentages so you're probably right that it's fractional, but it happens eventually. I guess cult helps my warden's social skill, so that could play into it, but the recruiting chance still sucks. In my own personal experience (most of which was 100% vanilla), my population right now is pretty normal. I like to keep it a little less than that usually because feeding everyone properly gets to be a pain. The megaforts are definitely unusual but all it takes is time. Probably the reason they make up the bulk of the screenshots is because screenshots of normal stuff are boring, so they don't get posted.

Coolguye posted:

IF you get the events, IF you get the prisoners, IF they are recruitable in a practical sense, IF you get the slavers (also, slave merchants are progressively less likely to carry colonists the further over the soft cap you are), there's a hundred and one conditions in your scenario here and you don't even seem to be aware of them. a fractional percentage means you need 200+ recruit attempts to get a success and he imposed cooldown on attempts means that this will take literal years, statistically. "It happens eventually" does not jive with the numbers here, which is the point. these games are serious anomalies and it consistently surprises me that this is what gets passed around.

Eltoasto posted:

If i want to challenge myself a bit and move on from temperate and boreal, do you guys prefer arid shrubland or tundra? Not sure I would enjoy straight desert or ice sheet since I like to have animals.

Coolguye posted:

Slung Blade posted:

I guess under full disclosure I should say that I do have a mod that makes bugs from infestation events as weak as kittens.

Seriously though, gently caress infestations, I keep my base clean and tidy, there is no justification for bugs the size of a panther just materializing inside a sealed stone chamber.

Sillybones posted:

What is the trigger for the event? Having a large amount of mined out mountain?

Omniblivion posted:

it really isn't hard at all to get >10 with Randy

Even IF the recruit chance was fractional, it's not like you are only trying to recruit one person at a time. Once you have 10+ colonists, it is likely that you will have several raiders downed and captured. If you wanted to, you could continually cycle people in prison; while the individual recruit time would be year(s), you'd still get a new recruit every few seasons. Doing this would result in a higher social score for your warden, which means even faster recruitment.