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Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.

fist4jesus posted:

The worst (and best) thing about them was actually the sound, could clearly hear the thing spin up and down.

Around 1983 I was temping at an accounting place in downtown Los Angeles that still had an IBM "Winchester" hard drive. First thing in the morning you'd have to turn it on, and then listen to the siren-like whine as it slowwwwly spun up. Once the sound stabilized it was safe to turn on the minicomputer.

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tactlessbastard
Feb 4, 2001

Godspeed, post
Fun Shoe
After 6 weeks in the pod at my new job I came in this morning in the middle of my boss telling 4 of our subordinates that 'hurricanes may start natural but they are being intensified and aimed with secret technology controlled by a worldwide cabal bent on subjugating the last free people on the planet'

:wtc:

mewse
May 2, 2006

tactlessbastard posted:

After 6 weeks in the pod at my new job I came in this morning in the middle of my boss telling 4 of our subordinates that 'hurricanes may start natural but they are being intensified and aimed with secret technology controlled by a worldwide cabal bent on subjugating the last free people on the planet'

:wtc:

Vote Trump

tactlessbastard
Feb 4, 2001

Godspeed, post
Fun Shoe

mewse posted:

Vote Trump

gently caress yeah, I live hundreds of miles from the coast hurricanes can't get me

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
At my place the CEO's son has a form letter from Melania taped up at his desk.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

I haven it on good authority that they're doing it with the HAARP array.

mewse
May 2, 2006

The guy on my team who genuinely thought the Oregon wildlife refuge standoff was a govt conspiracy ended up getting fired a while back

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Well it is a conspiracy, the BLM is trying to take grazing lands away from good ol american boys and put them on the streets!

(land the BLM manages because the grandfathers of those good ol american boys were over-grazing the land and turning it into a dusty wasteland)

mewse
May 2, 2006

The helicopter video was released and I showed it to the guy saying "look, you can see him reaching for a pistol, completely justified" and he agreed.

Then he got his daily brainwashing done and the next week he was saying it was government murder

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


xzzy posted:

I haven it on good authority that they're doing it with the HAARP array.

As someone that has been to the HAARP facility, and attended the university that does most of the research there I can say with 100% confidence that this is true.

Also, the HAARP facility has a facebook page. And the reviews are everything you could hope for.

Jusupov
May 24, 2007
only text


I mean I guess back then they didn't have security or computers in school

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


I learned about an hour ago that we let someone go that was on vacation so I didn't even bat an eye at the empty chair. He was let go for undisclosed reasons on Wednesday. Anyone that could give me a reason isn't in today. I don't have an official word but he doesn't have VPN access so not overly concerned check email logs. Hundreds of emails sent, going to different customers all trying to get them to go away. We had a problem with pickup from UPS and Fedex this week they said our route was canceled.

Yup was this guy, glad that they failed to notify us who canceled it, or that anyone would bother to inform IT. Looking at the mailbox everything is in the trash so tampering with evidence is clearly there.

Exporting everything so someone else can look at it, no attachments so no chance of anyone being infected, someone gets to spent some time talking to everyone he emailed!

I doubt we're going to push legal action, we'd never even make up the cost of gas from this guy. He lives for free at his brothers apartment and doesn't even own a bicycle. You'd be lucky if his most valuable possession was a small TV. I'll let other people worry about that, going to document everything assuming it's going to a lawyer either way so it's done right.

I thought we were done with this offboarding done wrong bullcrap, the last 3 people I was notified before the person was called it / called (remote site). Of course all 3 called me because it was also done wrong where it was middle of them doing something and "do this right now!" C-level shoulder surfing while you nuke accounts. So that turns into you pretending you are looking into why their computer restarted and now their account is locked out, which maybe they decided they didn't want that? I don't know.

Wrath of the Bitch King
May 11, 2005

Research confirms that black is a color like silver is a color, and that beyond black is clarity.

Jusupov posted:



I mean I guess back then they didn't have security or computers in school

She has 15 years of industry experience; once you reach that point your education matters very little in the grand scope of things.

mewse
May 2, 2006

Our company can't be sexist, we have a woman CSO for christ's sake

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

Wrath of the Bitch King posted:

She has 15 years of industry experience; once you reach that point your education matters very little in the grand scope of things.

And it's not like a computer science degree from the year 2000 would have helped secure an enterprise environment in 2017 anyway.

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go

Wrath of the Bitch King posted:

She has 15 years of industry experience; once you reach that point your education matters very little in the grand scope of things.
Yeah plus music degrees tend to be incredibly rigorous, and graduating magna or summa cum laude with one from a top college from Georgia, that's no bit of slack there. Nothing wrong with those creds.

I would argue that probably the 'easiest' degree, come at me internet, is actually the one I have: history. I truly bullshitted my way through that degree, I will admit that right now. Why on why do I have a history degree! Really need to get started on my masters from WGU so I can wash my hands of that undergrad.

MC Fruit Stripe fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Sep 8, 2017

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Judge Schnoopy posted:

And it's not like a computer science degree from the year 2000 would have helped secure an enterprise environment in 2017 anyway.

It would in theory give someone the knowledge to know if things made sense, though. Not everyone who gets a CS degree is an expert in say, cryptography but they would have the base knowledge to be able to research the options and solutions presented

Wrath of the Bitch King
May 11, 2005

Research confirms that black is a color like silver is a color, and that beyond black is clarity.
CSO isn't a technical role, it's primarily a sales position where your clientele is other C-levels. Same as a CTO, just a different focus.

There might be differences in the amount of golf outings involved, I'm not sure.

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


Bob Morales posted:

It would in theory give someone the knowledge to know if things made sense, though. Not everyone who gets a CS degree is an expert in say, cryptography but they would have the base knowledge to be able to research the options and solutions presented

Are you sure? Have you seen what some schools let out into the wild? I've seen people with IT related degrees that can't do anything but regurgitate what was in the book. They can tell you what DHCP is and what DNS is but they have no idea how to configure it. They look for okay if this happens I do X than Y than Z they don't know how to troubleshoot they want a set of directions like they are in a call center, they can't think for themselves.

We're in IT we've all had coworkers with a degree that should mean they know what they are doing and are nothing but a disaster.

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017

pixaal posted:

Are you sure? Have you seen what some schools let out into the wild? I've seen people with IT related degrees that can't do anything but regurgitate what was in the book. They can tell you what DHCP is and what DNS is but they have no idea how to configure it. They look for okay if this happens I do X than Y than Z they don't know how to troubleshoot they want a set of directions like they are in a call center, they can't think for themselves.

We're in IT we've all had coworkers with a degree that should mean they know what they are doing and are nothing but a disaster.

Troubleshooting is a lost art, and one that many people undervalue. The person who understands how the product works can fix anything.

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go
But how do you communicate that in an interview? It's something I've struggled with.

"Most of the questions you're going to ask me are pointless, because if I need to know a port number I can google it, but trust me, if something breaks, I am your guy", is the gist of what I want to communicate.

ponzicar
Mar 17, 2008

MC Fruit Stripe posted:

But how do you communicate that in an interview? It's something I've struggled with.

"Most of the questions you're going to ask me are pointless, because if I need to know a port number I can google it, but trust me, if something breaks, I am your guy", is the gist of what I want to communicate.

Give examples of difficult problems that you've solved, and maybe ask for some examples of problems they've had and tell them how you'd handle them.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



MC Fruit Stripe posted:

But how do you communicate that in an interview? It's something I've struggled with.

"Most of the questions you're going to ask me are pointless, because if I need to know a port number I can google it, but trust me, if something breaks, I am your guy", is the gist of what I want to communicate.

Give them a hypothetical and have them walk you through their troubleshooting process. That's what we do.

I don't care if you get the right answer, but I sure as poo poo want to see some critical thinking in evidence.

JewKiller 3000
Nov 28, 2006

by Lowtax

Proteus Jones posted:

I don't care if you get the right answer

horseshit. everyone says this and it's complete nonsense. you absolutely care and will hold it against them if they don't

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



JewKiller 3000 posted:

horseshit. everyone says this and it's complete nonsense. you absolutely care and will hold it against them if they don't

Whatever you think. Sorry you interviewed at poo poo places.

If you make it to the face to face technical interview, we ask progressively harder and harder questions. We don't expect, and never had, anyone able to get through all of them without missing one or two of them. Knowledge gaps can be addressed, but for the types of jobs we're hiring for, we absolutely don't want to be re-training someone on how to solve a problem or to think laterally.

Does the person that got more correct get more weight? Absolutely. And a solid understanding of networking fundamentals is also expected. But for what we're looking for, the ability to break a problem down to discrete parts and logically progress to the what/where/why of a problem is something we've found is worth its weight in gold.

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

Proteus Jones posted:

Whatever you think. Sorry you interviewed at poo poo places.

Pretty much this. Personal anecdote, I accidentally got a job because there was a miscommunication between the recruiter and HR about what the position was supposed to be. They were a little bemused that a mid-level developer was puzzling out loud through debugging steps for questions that they were expecting straight up answers to (it was supposed to be like senior ops lead or something, recruiter had given me a job description for backend dev). I guess they didn't have anything else going on so they didn't kick me out the door but kept on adding details as I asked about them ("Well, I guess I'd check through the syslogs for error messages..." "You open them up and it's all 200s, what do you do now?") I just figured they were just going through hypothetical questions I couldn't outright know the answer to and it didn't click for either of us until I asked about something on the job req itself towards the end and they were like "wait what"

They didn't hire me for the ops lead position, of course (thank god), but they grabbed me for a dev position that they weren't planning on opening for another 6+ months, so that was pretty cool.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


MC Fruit Stripe posted:

Yeah plus music degrees tend to be incredibly rigorous, and graduating magna or summa cum laude with one from a top college from Georgia, that's no bit of slack there. Nothing wrong with those creds.

I would argue that probably the 'easiest' degree, come at me internet, is actually the one I have: history. I truly bullshitted my way through that degree, I will admit that right now. Why on why do I have a history degree! Really need to get started on my masters from WGU so I can wash my hands of that undergrad.

At least she can actually play the worlds smallest violin for herself when she gets shitcanned.

porkface
Dec 29, 2000

Khisanth Magus posted:

The US supreme Court upheld arbitration clauses as legally binding.

They gonna have to prove it was me.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Pissing me off: working over the weekend to meet a deadline I had no input on, and most of my time being taken up fixing other people's gently caress ups. Thankfully the biggest gently caress up is no longer here or I would get written up for ripping his throat out on Monday.

Basically we have a piece of poo poo system that is standalone from our good ERP system. Some people have super user access to said poo poo system and aren't held accountable for anything they do in it. My current problem is people making up cost codes in the poo poo that don't exist in the real system.

Next week I'm telling the manager of the project with the poo poo codes not to use them because they make a ton of opportunities for error. Then if I miss fixing one in the future (likely), I have that email where I told him those codes shouldn't even exist.

My huge deadline for a ton of poo poo is Wednesday. Guess who's taking at least a half day Friday?

BOOTY-ADE
Aug 30, 2006

BIG KOOL TELLIN' Y'ALL TO KEEP IT TIGHT

JewKiller 3000 posted:

horseshit. everyone says this and it's complete nonsense. you absolutely care and will hold it against them if they don't

Wrong. The place I work now, I had an interview question from the IT manager about how I'd handle a situation with multiple people asking questions, one being a VP. Because I'd worked with an MSP almost 5 years before this, and had to handle a good chunk of client work by myself due to short staffing, my head was stuck in the "how can I get everything done myself without pissing someone off" mode. So I told him how I'd fix things in the order I got them, versus the obvious answer of finding another available teammate to ask for help. I'd been stuck without adequate backup at the old MSP for so long that I felt like I had to fix the problem myself.

IT manager actually liked how I explained the order of what I'd do and how I'd get it done and understood why I had the mindset I did after years of practically working solo with no (or unreliable) help. Once I got in and started my first week, he saw how much knowledge I'd gained from the past job and doing things by myself, and was able to make solid suggestions on how to fix ticketing and keep track of inventory and purchasing. And, because it's not an MSP job and better organized among departments, I actually have time to help out elsewhere when my usual daily duties are caught up. Feels so nice going back to a company with competent management and some semblance of organization, the 25% pay increase was nice too.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Someone comes up in the middle of what i'm doing, hands me a phone. "I need you to set this up and transfer all of Chris's information on to it!"

What do I look like, a cell phone store?

We (IT) doesn't do anything with phones. Accounting orders people poo poo. If you bring me a working, activated phone I can put your email on it and that's about it. I'm not going to drop everything I'm doing so I can sit here for an hour with Verizon on the phone trying to get your account numbers figured out and phone activated and all that poo poo. If you want me to, put a ticket in and I'll schedule it during the day.

Super-NintendoUser
Jan 16, 2004

COWABUNGERDER COMPADRES
Soiled Meat
:yotj:

So I just managed to close out a two year old ticket that is easily the oldest ticket our company has open. A client has some database corruption, and two years ago I sent them a fix, but they kept not applying it. Or they'd take an offline copy of the database, repair it, then two weeks later switch it out for their live DB and it'd be missing two weeks of work because of course it was, and revert back. Then months later they'd call me and say it didn't work. Finally I got them to let me fix it live. Took two years of emails and reminders.

I feel simultaneously liberated and crushed.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

I want to know who operates the Men in Black laser gun thing that erases everyone's brains who works there every monday morning and they have to re-learn how to do their jobs each week

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Bob Morales posted:

I want to know who operates the Men in Black laser gun thing that erases everyone's brains who works there every monday morning and they have to re-learn how to do their jobs each week
"neuralyzer" :eng101:

(oh god there's a men in black wiki and it's horribly written.)

DACK FAYDEN fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Sep 11, 2017

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.
I love the server 2012/2016 bug where the primary lan network changes to public randomly after reboots. I suspect recent updates have hosed with this but drat if it isn't annoying. I would suspect an issue with DNS, but DNS seems to be perfect and nothing has changed in the environment.

Sickening fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Sep 11, 2017

Super-NintendoUser
Jan 16, 2004

COWABUNGERDER COMPADRES
Soiled Meat
I sent a VMware image to a client last week, this is a major banking institution with a huge support staff. They attempt to upload it, get an error that is incredibly obvious and easy fix, and email me last night (Sunday night) that it didn't work. The error message contains an obvious fix. Instead of attempting to fix it, now the project is delayed and I have two guys sitting here that can't work because the server isn't online yet.

vibur
Apr 23, 2004

Sickening posted:

I love the server 2012/2016 bug where the primary lan network changes to public randomly after reboots. I suspect recent updates have hosed with this but drat if it isn't annoying. I would suspect an issue with DNS, but DNS seems to be perfect and nothing has changed in the environment.
At the last place, this would happen if a server (for whatever reason) couldn't find a domain controller at boot. Is that what's happening to you?

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


Jerk McJerkface posted:

I sent a VMware image to a client last week, this is a major banking institution with a huge support staff. They attempt to upload it, get an error that is incredibly obvious and easy fix, and email me last night (Sunday night) that it didn't work. The error message contains an obvious fix. Instead of attempting to fix it, now the project is delayed and I have two guys sitting here that can't work because the server isn't online yet.

This is always great "Error password is expired clicked OK to change password". They then throw a screenshot into word attach the word document to an email and send you it with the subject help!!! Well I can't open this on my phone and you didn't reply to my email asking for clarification so it's waiting until Monday.

Oh look that answer was press OK instead of doing nothing!

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

"This is why robots will be doing your job in five years. "

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Super-NintendoUser
Jan 16, 2004

COWABUNGERDER COMPADRES
Soiled Meat

pixaal posted:

This is always great "Error password is expired clicked OK to change password". They then throw a screenshot into word attach the word document to an email and send you it with the subject help!!! Well I can't open this on my phone and you didn't reply to my email asking for clarification so it's waiting until Monday.

Oh look that answer was press OK instead of doing nothing!

I'm a senior systems administrator for a group of developers and application specialists. I'm in charge of making sure the servers they work on are working so they can do their job, which primary revolves around configuring java webapps. They will frequently open up critical tickets that a Tomcat container is offline after they pushed some code and restarted it. I'll ask for the error message and they will send me a log snippet that clearly says something like "INVALID XML TAG ON LINE X of FILE X" and I'll say did you check "line X in file X"? And they do and it fixes the problem and they think I'm a G.D. magician.

One of the guys made a mock website for them to submit tickets to me, and when you fill out a webform and click "Submit to JMJF" it just pops up a box that says "did you check your logs" and does nothing else.

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