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Jaxyon posted:This kind of thread regular infighting is why the left loses Well, you see, guillotines for anyone who isn't ideologically pure since birth and edit: dog 
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Police culture is horrible and police unions protect that.
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A lovely Reporter posted:I said they should stop because it's counterproductive and incredibly irritating. Plus the only reason derails involving him last so long is because they all refuse to let him have the last word, which he is also guilty of. I stopped posting about this multiple pages ago and moved onto nuclear chat, for the record. But you are right, I do tend to insist on having the last word. \/\/\/  \/\/\/
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Majorian posted:I actually am a Bad Bernie in that I don't think he should run in 2020. I think Warren would be a better choice, really. Or Brown. I mean, that was the entire point of his campaign before he looked like he might have a chance to win, go out there, try to progressive ideas far more mainstream and force other democrats to have to deal with them seriously.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Looks like that's gonna be significantly west of Miami, though Homestead's gonna get crushed (again) I.....think you might be wildly underestimating the size of Irma.
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Sep 9, 2017 02:11
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Okay to the surprise of no one I think government work should be the most highly paid and luxurious.
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Furnaceface posted:Police and doctors are notoriously bad at managing the money they make. Eh, I don't know. I think my dad was at around $25 per hour when he retired five years ago. We weren't by any means poor but the combined income of my parents wasn't something that would pur them firmly in HENRY territory.
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Sep 9, 2017 02:12
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RuanGacho posted:Okay to the surprise of no one I think government work should be the most highly paid and luxurious. ...grrrrrr....mah taaaaax buuuuux... 
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Sep 9, 2017 02:13
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Star Man posted:Eh, I don't know. I think my dad was at around $25 per hour when he retired five years ago. We weren't by any means poor but the combined income of my parents wasn't something that would pur them firmly in HENRY territory. Sounds like something a HENRY would say 
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Sep 9, 2017 02:15
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Jaxyon posted:Police culture is horrible and police unions protect that. Yup. It doesn't help that their spokesmen/directors/whatever just looooove getting up on their podiums and talk about how, by God, those victims of police violence deserved it.
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Sep 9, 2017 02:15
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Sorry if it has been posted, but I already looked up Florida's 2 reactors out of worry. They were constructed 20 feet above sea level and are surrounded by 6 feet of concrete with sealed doors, inside a sealed building. I think they might SCRAM (shutdown) the reactors anyhow, given the size of this monster, so the thingies that cease the reaction will be snugly in place between the fuel rods.
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Sep 9, 2017 02:16
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Majorian posted:...grrrrrr....mah taaaaax buuuuux... Okay so they want highly underpaid idiots working for them of course.  This always seems to give people pause.
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Sep 9, 2017 02:17
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The Glumslinger posted:Sounds like something a HENRY would say Yeah I don't think a five figure combined income makes anyone a HENRY.
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Sep 9, 2017 02:18
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Sep 9, 2017 02:20
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RuanGacho posted:Okay so they want highly underpaid idiots working for them of course. It only pauses them for so long, I'm afraid. For a nation that just loves complaining to no end about DMV employees, we don't ever seem to want to pay the departments enough to hire more and better workers. I think we just like to complain.
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Sep 9, 2017 02:20
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Did they really build a big highway connecting all the keys? I hope they enjoyed it and get to use it one last time before tomorrow.
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Sep 9, 2017 02:23
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William Contraalto posted:What exactly counts as productivity in this thread. Knowledgeable people always answering my unending questions about the government's intricacies. (You know who you are) I don't give a gently caress, this counts too.
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business hammocks posted:Did they really build a big highway connecting all the keys? I hope they enjoyed it and get to use it one last time before tomorrow. it's been there for  It's no longer a railroad, because of a hurricane in 1935. 
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Sep 9, 2017 02:25
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I think one thing a lot of people forget is that saying "police culture is terrible" doesn't mean every police officer is a bad person. A lot of them, at least the ones I talk to, are quite aware of the problems with the general culture and they do what little they can do to work against that. A big problem is that the people who get into policing for the right reasons -- to help their community, to be the person to puts themselves in danger to help someone else out of danger -- generally have very little interest in moving on from street-level police work into management, so the organizational structure that should be holding lovely officers to account is largely staffed with complete fuckers. You need to convince those people that they can do more good off the street, keeping all the assholes in the line, than on it. But no one ever grew up dreaming about combatting police brutality and institutional racism from behind a desk...
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Majorian posted:It only pauses them for so long, I'm afraid. I know a few other goons can confirm this, but when you travel to anywhere not America and what's considered developed, the contrast is stark. We can totally have more better public services, and we don't even have to pay for it. We just have to stop electing the rich to public office.
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business hammocks posted:Did they really build a big highway connecting all the keys? I hope they enjoyed it and get to use it one last time before tomorrow. There's been a road through the keys for almost 100 years. The full road to Key West opened before WWII.
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business hammocks posted:Did they really build a big highway connecting all the keys? I hope they enjoyed it and get to use it one last time before tomorrow. So, funny story. No, they built a big railroad connecting all the keys, and they started building a highway. Guess what happened next?
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Sep 9, 2017 02:28
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RuanGacho posted:I know a few other goons can confirm this, but when you travel to anywhere not America and what's considered developed, the contrast is stark. We can totally have more better public services, and we don't even have to pay for it. We just have to stop electing the rich to public office. I, too, wish we lived in a sane society that placed a reasonable level of value on a workable civil service.
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Sep 9, 2017 02:29
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Speaking of cops and racism.. Get hype! https://twitter.com/miagaluppo/status/906236165400944640 quote:John David Washington (the son of Denzel Washington) will star in the adaptation of a memoir by an African American police detective who infiltrated the KKK.
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PT6A posted:I think one thing a lot of people forget is that saying "police culture is terrible" doesn't mean every police officer is a bad person. A lot of them, at least the ones I talk to, are quite aware of the problems with the general culture and they do what little they can do to work against that. A big problem is that the people who get into policing for the right reasons -- to help their community, to be the person to puts themselves in danger to help someone else out of danger -- generally have very little interest in moving on from street-level police work into management, so the organizational structure that should be holding lovely officers to account is largely staffed with complete fuckers. You need to convince those people that they can do more good off the street, keeping all the assholes in the line, than on it. But no one ever grew up dreaming about combatting police brutality and institutional racism from behind a desk... Nearly every instance of bad police work seems accompanied by peers and an entire chain of command, DA, and judicial system that seems hell bent on either covering up or smoothing over any issues. At this point I don't blame people for setting the baseline at "every cop is complicit".
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Koalas March posted:Speaking of cops and racism.. Get hype! They even released some test film! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIFRZBrOhqc Also, I am hype for more Jordan Peele
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marshmonkey posted:https://twitter.com/AP/status/906294678324117505 Which is why nowhere near that number are getting out. They only just started contraflow on the interstates today. 95, 75, and 10 have been parking lots for a couple days, and prior to that there was no solid way to know whether half the people needed to get out or not. Most people have jobs that just decided whether or not they'd let people off for the hurricane as of yesterday or today, at which point getting a hotel within 9 hours of the greater South Eastern Parking Lot was pretty much a no go and the gas shortages had already begun. Hell, my second job still isn't sure if they're going to be closed due to Hurricane Sunday and Monday, and when the bridges close, which they will, there's probably about 12 people who can make it there.Hopefully Irma loses a lot of steam at landfall and the state learns something for next time. Like actually implementing some contraflow early and mandating something like making a goddamn call on being open or not prior to the winds and storm surge hitting.
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Sep 9, 2017 02:32
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business hammocks posted:Did they really build a big highway connecting all the keys? I hope they enjoyed it and get to use it one last time before tomorrow. ya dude that iconic action scene from true lies was on this bridge duh
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Mulva posted:I.....think you might be wildly underestimating the size of Irma.  I'm not underestimating it; I'm saying that the actual path matters. I lived 15 miles from the eye path of Andrew and the damage on our block was a tree fell down. Meanwhile the eye passed over Homestead and it was flattened
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Koalas March posted:Speaking of cops and racism.. Get hype! Oh my goodness, this sounds like an amazing movie.  (also feels like it could be an inspiration for a certain famous Chappelle Show sketch...)
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Koalas March posted:Speaking of cops and racism.. Get hype! Mental warfare and infiltration against shitbirds, directed by Mr. Lee. Sold and Sold. ^^^^^^^ Yes, reactors getting shut down.
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Koalas March posted:Speaking of cops and racism.. Get hype! Oh my god, that is either going to be the worst thing ever or sweep the oscars. I'm super down to watch it
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Sep 9, 2017 02:36
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marshmonkey posted:https://twitter.com/AP/status/906294678324117505 That's one quarter the population of Florida. 
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Sep 9, 2017 02:40
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Oh fantastic, just what the world needed. Open carry morons and public records dickweeds to team up. I guarantee this fucker shoves his loving camera in the face of everyone working the front counter of a government building and is just the biggest piece of poo poo to them while demanding random things and getting belligerent if they don't know every single statute by heart.
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TheGreasyStrangler posted:Nearly every instance of bad police work seems accompanied by peers and an entire chain of command, DA, and judicial system that seems hell bent on either covering up or smoothing over any issues. At this point I don't blame people for setting the baseline at "every cop is complicit". To a certain extent, this is correct, but you also have the issue of: what does a low-level officer (constable? Americans laugh when I use that term) do when they see abuse? When the most odious fuckers get promoted up the chain of command, and the system is stacked in order to cover up problems, and the police unions close ranks among the worst offenders, what options do they have to fix the problems? The correct thing would be to report any abuses or illegal behaviour to the next person up the chain of command, or to an independent agency with oversight capacity -- but if those people are willingly complicit in those abuses or crimes, one quickly runs out of options. The degree of responsibility increases as the people involved become more powerful. So, the average officer on the street is both the most powerful -- because they are the face of the police in an interaction with a citizen -- and least powerful, because they have the least ability to affect the behaviour of other officers. EDIT: I will say, my police officer friend would completely agree with the "trash the leadership, they're all useless, and then get rid of the lovely officers" option. I don't think there's any lack of recognition about the problems that exist, but he feels essentially as powerless to deal with it as anyone else. You need the political will -- the support of people in high places -- to do anything. PT6A fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Sep 9, 2017 |
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Yeah, not feeling a lot of sympathy for this dipshit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr--_i0JZbs Edit: Hahaha, the actual story is even better than the video. He walked in with one hand on the rifle slung across his chest, a sidearm on his hip wearing a loving balaclava. Caros fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Sep 9, 2017 |
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Sep 9, 2017 02:44
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Caros posted:Yeah, not feeling a lot of sympathy for this dipshit. IN MICHIGAN IT IS LEAGL TO OPEN CARRY
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Young Freud posted:That's one quarter the population of Florida. I'll bet they're glad Rick Scott adequately funded Florida's- pffttttt hahahaha, I'm just kidding, their livelihoods are doomed.
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