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lmao gotta give mad props to Palmer for somehow lasting in F1 this long, even more hilarious that Renault could tell him to gently caress off as early as Malaysia.
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Sep 9, 2017 17:47
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Wirth1000 posted:You mean Honda buying the entire team? They were propping up like half of McLaren so...maybe?
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Theophany posted:lmao gotta give mad props to Palmer for somehow lasting in F1 this long, even more hilarious that Renault could tell him to gently caress off as early as Malaysia. He's looked particularly bad this year.
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Sep 9, 2017 17:48
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Palmer is poo poo. Replace with Bobby K or Pastor M
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Sep 9, 2017 17:50
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Wirth1000 posted:Bonus video of like a $20mil+ Ferrari getting smashed into the wall He can afford it. It's owned by Anthony Bamford who is worth around £3billion and owns JCB
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Sep 9, 2017 17:53
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Human Grand Prix posted:He's looked particularly bad this year. I love that he tries to make that his gimmick, that he slowly gets better over time (a la GP2) and always does better in the second half of the season. Unfortunately for Our Jolyon, by the time he gets his head out of his rear end he's already so far out of contention that he is an irrelevance.
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Sep 9, 2017 17:53
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Spirit Honda F1 racing returning in 2018 
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Norns posted:Palmer is poo poo. Replace with Bobby K or Pastor M Uh.. bad news
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Sep 9, 2017 18:27
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Wirth1000 posted:You mean Honda buying the entire team? yup
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Sep 9, 2017 18:46
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Honda needs to gently caress right off. But if it robs Red Bull of their B-team then go ahead. Too bad Honda will pull a Honda and gently caress off in 2021 citing how the new engine regulations don't line up with their corporate vision or whatever bullshit.
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NtotheTC posted:Oh yeah... for some reason I always associate Renault with that fuckwit frenchman... ok well then No Bobby K at all then cos they'd be mad to drop Hulk for that risk. It's cool man, F1 has been so boring that updates like a driver being gone for 2 years can slip thru. I don't know any of the bottom half of the field because the pre-race coverage is just slightly more boring than the races. Thank god Liberty started those highlights on youtube or I wouldn't be an F1 fan this year.
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Sep 9, 2017 20:00
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Per Alonso curse Honda will pull an '88 next year. Congratulations Toro Rosso
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Sep 9, 2017 20:04
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DoctorGonzo posted:Per Alonso curse Honda will pull an '88 next year. Congratulations Toro Rosso I'm trying to think, were there any seasons where an engine which was very poor the previous year, went onto win the title the year after? My first thought was the 2004/5 Renaults, but their 2004 engine was a good move from the wide angle 2003
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Sep 9, 2017 20:21
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqro5pBd114 Hell of an onboard.
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Anonymouse Mook posted:I'm trying to think, were there any seasons where an engine which was very poor the previous year, went onto win the title the year after? My first thought was the 2004/5 Renaults, but their 2004 engine was a good move from the wide angle 2003 Honda was pretty miserable up until midway through 85 then was a championship winning car in 86. But that engine was nowhere near as bad as the current one.
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Sep 9, 2017 20:37
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1500quidporsche posted:Honda was pretty miserable up until midway through 85 then was a championship winning car in 86. But that engine was nowhere near as bad as the current one. Their engine prior to '85 was at least capable of winning races. So I can't really think of an example.
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Sep 9, 2017 22:08
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McLaren are making a stupid mistake.
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Sep 9, 2017 22:19
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I don't think it's necessarily a bad move.
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Sep 9, 2017 22:22
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Wirth1000 posted:But if it robs Red Bull of their B-team then go ahead. That alone is worth celebrating.
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Anonymouse Mook posted:I'm trying to think, were there any seasons where an engine which was very poor the previous year, went onto win the title the year after? My first thought was the 2004/5 Renaults, but their 2004 engine was a good move from the wide angle 2003 Mercedes' return with McLaren started poorly, though the 1995 McLaren was just a total disaster that nothing could fix. The 1996 McLaren wasn't that much better, but by 1997 it was a race winner, even if it also blew up all the time. Of course it was the best car on the grid in '98.
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Sep 9, 2017 22:38
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Almost like if Honda at the very least offered a clear linear path of improvement this would all be immensely more bearable. But lol
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Sep 9, 2017 22:39
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Toro Rosso, the team I hate to love (because of their owners) being powered by Honda, the company I love to hate.
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Sep 9, 2017 22:40
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This is such a dumb move for McLaren. I'll going to laugh so much if/when Honda sort their poo poo out and RB picks them up for their main team too. RB/TR wouldn't have agreed to this unless they saw good potential in the engine.
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Sep 9, 2017 22:42
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My favorite bad 90s F1 engine was the Peugeot, which was a total disaster that nobody could make work, except, inexplicably, Eddie Jordan. The '97 Jordan actually kicked rear end and could have won in Hockenheim if Fisichella didn't have a late tire failure. Then Prost got the engine in '98 and it immediately started sucking rear end again 
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Sep 9, 2017 22:43
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Sep 9, 2017 22:44
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Wirth1000 posted:Almost like if Honda at the very least offered a clear linear path of improvement this would all be immensely more bearable. Even Tag Huer  have continually improved but are unfortunately playing catch up to merc and ferrari
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Feels Villeneuve posted:My favorite bad 90s F1 engine was the Peugeot, which was a total disaster that nobody could make work, except, inexplicably, Eddie Jordan. The '97 Jordan actually kicked rear end and could have won in Hockenheim if Fisichella didn't have a late tire failure. Then Prost got the engine in '98 and it immediately started sucking rear end again That's an attractive car.
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Sep 9, 2017 22:47
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I loved the 1997 grid, and I still think the narrower cars in 1998 looked like total poo poo.
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Shimrod posted:This is such a dumb move for McLaren. I'll going to laugh so much if/when Honda sort their poo poo out and RB picks them up for their main team too. RB/TR wouldn't have agreed to this unless they saw good potential in the engine. They don’t have to see good potential. There’s literally no risk for Red Bull.
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Shimrod posted:This is such a dumb move for McLaren. I'll going to laugh so much if/when Honda sort their poo poo out and RB picks them up for their main team too. RB/TR wouldn't have agreed to this unless they saw good potential in the engine. There have to be bean counters at Honda with ultimatums on the horizon. They can't deal with this bad press indefinitely. I'd feel pretty bad for the staff at STR if they became a factory Honda team and then all funding was withdrawn at the end of 2018 if they have a disastrous season.
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Sep 9, 2017 22:50
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The '97 cars finally got the high-nose look right. Then we got the rolling abortions of 1998. The '98 cars were so ugly and it made Gerhard Berger retire. Other lovely 90s engine; the Yamahahaha, although I do like the Tyrrell 022 a lot.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:I loved the 1997 grid, and I still think the narrower cars in 1998 looked like total poo poo. The M197 probably could have got points if it didn't have that horrendous Hart V8.
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Whitey Ford posted:There have to be bean counters at Honda with ultimatums on the horizon. They can't deal with this bad press indefinitely. It's why they finally went to outside consultants. Just let Ilmor design the bloody engines and slap your name on them and maintain them.
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Sep 9, 2017 22:53
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The Yamaha was terrible though the Arrows did have some good performances in 97. Then again, it also looked totally uncompetitive at other tracks and the famous race they nearly won was at the Hungaroring, which is nobody's idea of a power circuit.
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Hill to Arrows is probably one of the strangest moves I've seen a defending world champion make. Part of the A18s competitiveness came from the fact it was on Bridgestones.
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1500quidporsche posted:Honda was pretty miserable up until midway through 85 then was a championship winning car in 86. But that engine was nowhere near as bad as the current one. Yeah, even in 1984 it was good for a 1st and a 2nd. They're not even in that county right now.
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Human Grand Prix posted:Hill to Arrows is probably one of the strangest moves I've seen a defending world champion make. Part of the A18s competitiveness came from the fact it was on Bridgestones. He had no choice. It was either that or retire.
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IIRC he had talks with McLaren to replace Hakkinen (!) but McLaren would only agree to a performance-based deal which he considered insulting for a defending WDC.
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serious gaylord posted:He had no choice. It was either that or retire. Couldn’t he have stayed at Williams? I thought he was just demanding more money.
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