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Orv posted:Watch part 2, know hate. I'm gonna wait until Monday since it gives me a waiting-for-the-resolution simulation and I'll be kind of busy until then anyway.
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Orv posted:Watch part 2, know hate. Because that one guy is a jerk to Data? 
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skasion posted:At the same time, Trek is fundamentally grounded in this idea of normal folks in space as opposed to something zany as gently caress like Lexx or Farscape where everyone's a loving weirdo. I followed most of your post but I want to interject a little tangent here. Star Trek is not fundamentally about normal people; it's about Starfleet officers for the most part, which is to say an idealized version of what we wish normal people were, and hope we can become. They're specialized but are often jacks of all trades, and are generally more than competent, highly motivated, moral individuals with an appreciation for art and culture. You're largely correct for Lexx and Farscape, of course, but for Stanley Tweedle. Stanley, I would say, hits a little close to home as a normal person, the kind we actually are but don't want to admit it. Lazy, base, whiny, thickheaded Stanley Tweedle, Everyman. And yet even he has his hidden virtues, from time to time. But then the show's about a lot more than just him.
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Sep 9, 2017 03:53
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That said, trip report: DS9 season 5, episode 4 "... Nor the Battle to the Strong" Grim episode, but I have to admit I found it somewhat comical when Jake and Bashir are ambushed on the way to the runabout. They're both so gangly, it was several shots of just arms and legs everywhere. Cirroc Lofton sold the heck out of Jake's later shame at panicking and running away. And I'm a dad, and I hope I am being half the dad Sisko is to Jake.
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Sep 9, 2017 03:59
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Maybe normal people is the wrong way of saying it, they're obviously not joes off the street and one of the critical ways in which the nutrek movies stumble is that they fail to imbue the characters with the air of professionalism or responsibility that even the bad shows always try to convey. But the characters of Trek shows are intended to be normative on a certain level, they attempt to uphold conventional morality, represent the best of their society, and are generally as good they can be. They are never a bunch of sexual deviants or a criminal gang on the run or, for that matter, a hard bitten fleet of soldiers fighting for their lives like in BSG or Above and Beyond, or a morally ambiguous crew trying to skate by in a hostile world like in The Expanse or Firefly. I think that's a pretty universal trait of Trek shows, though there are other non Trek sci-fi shows that share it.
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Sep 9, 2017 04:06
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"Normative" I can definitely get behind, yeah.
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Sep 9, 2017 04:14
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Orv posted:Watch part 2, know hate. Redemption probably sticks the landing best among TNG's two-parters.
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Sep 9, 2017 04:24
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I just saw the episode where a pah wraith takes over Keiko's body and mind, and I've never liked Keiko more. Makes me give props to her actor, compared to before that episode. EDIT: "Yeah, no Miles, you can gently caress yourself raw with my succulent cactus plants. Re-calibrate the sensors you fuckman"
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Sep 9, 2017 04:43
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Source? 
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Sep 9, 2017 04:52
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Gowron is one of the best Klingons ever. Right up there with Christopher Lloyd's Krudge in like... making Klingons what they are in all of our minds. Those fukken bug eyes can tell me to experience bij any day.
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After The War posted:Because that one guy is a jerk to Data? Timby posted:Redemption probably sticks the landing best among TNG's two-parters. I very strongly dislike the Romulan Commander and what comes of her stuff later on. Jeb probably won't care.
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Sep 9, 2017 05:12
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Nailed it. Happy Star Trek Day.
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Sep 9, 2017 05:18
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So wtf did people make of Tasha Yar showing up as a Romulan when it first aired.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:So wtf did people make of Tasha Yar showing up as a Romulan when it first aired. It was wtf but it was nice to have a little continuity. Watching Little Green Men and drat if Rom can't thrown down some authentic starfleet bullshit. Edit: https://youtu.be/4bBD5yyT-s0 Beachcomber fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Sep 9, 2017 |
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Sep 9, 2017 06:48
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Jeb! Repetition posted:
This is what we were hinting at and spoilertexting a couple of days ago. That is indeed Denise "Tasha Yar" Crosby, and she was* the one in the shadows that we never saw while Geordi was being Manchurian Candidate-d. A few of us (who apparently have very good Denise-Crosby-voice-recognizing skills) spotted it on the first airing of The Mind's Eye, and this was the big reveal at the cliffhanger to make absolutely everyone go WTF. * Okay, they used a stand-in for the silhouette, but Crosby did the voice, which is what counts. e: Gah, got my episodes confused there. The Mind's Eye, not In Theory. Powered Descent fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Sep 9, 2017 |
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Sep 9, 2017 07:04
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Beachcomber posted:It was wtf but it was nice to have a little continuity. Well I mean. It seems so bizarre it can't possibly have real continuity but I guess I'll wait and see.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Well I mean. It seems so bizarre it can't possibly have real continuity but I guess I'll wait and see.  (I really want to see your take on the whole thing.)
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Sep 9, 2017 08:24
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What someone said upthread about the JJTrek crew not seeming professional is spot on. I can't help thinking that it's because the makers of TOS were pretty much all ex-military, while the people behind the new movies have spent their entire working lives in Hollywood. (Also: taking literally saying "you have the bridge" to a junior officer and thinking that makes them the captain permanently.  )
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Payndz posted:What someone said upthread about the JJTrek crew not seeming professional is spot on. I can't help thinking that it's because the makers of TOS were pretty much all ex-military, while the people behind the new movies have spent their entire working lives in Hollywood. (Also: taking literally saying "you have the bridge" to a junior officer and thinking that makes them the captain permanently. I wonder who will be more professional, them or the Orville crew? With the JJTrek crew it made somewhat sense (but didn't) because they were all a bunch of 22 year old recent academy grads (but made no sense because why would you give a bunch of recent academy grads command of a massive, expensive flagship. It would be like taking some Annapolis grads and putting them in charge of the USS Abraham Lincoln or something). Arglebargle III posted:Wait poo poo they're doubling down on the augment thing and these are the REAL Klingons and every one in previous shows were infected. i cannot wait til we see some old school swarthy smooth forehead Klingons with rad 'staches.  Seriously though, if they did this, I will give them a HUGE pass on a lot of poo poo. I know a lot of people hated the Augment arc but it's part of the continuity now, like it or not. And if this show respects that, I'll give them major credit. They've got the weapons and communicators that look TOS, the promise of more blinkenlights as time goes on (just as Enterprise did) and apparently a planned visit to the Ticonderoga NY TOS set this fall. Combine that with bringing in Enterprise continuity and I'll forgive them for not having Pike style communicators and uniforms.
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quote:[The U.S. is] actually right at the place where Starfleet finds itself in episode one Well gently caress
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Sep 9, 2017 16:28
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Every now and then there's a <gritty> show pitch where it's all THE FEDERATION HAS LOST IT'S WAY AND GONE ALL RACIST AND AUTHORITARIAN and it's just dumb every loving time
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Sep 9, 2017 16:32
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MikeJF posted:Every now and then there's a <gritty> show pitch where it's all THE FEDERATION HAS LOST IT'S WAY AND GONE ALL RACIST AND AUTHORITARIAN and it's just dumb every loving time Now you made me remember Renegades. God drat it.
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Astroman posted:Seriously though, if they did this, I will give them a HUGE pass on a lot of poo poo. I know a lot of people hated the Augment arc but it's part of the continuity now, like it or not. And if this show respects that, I'll give them major credit. They've got the weapons and communicators that look TOS, the promise of more blinkenlights as time goes on (just as Enterprise did) and apparently a planned visit to the Ticonderoga NY TOS set this fall. Combine that with bringing in Enterprise continuity and I'll forgive them for not having Pike style communicators and uniforms. That arc was dumb but STD isn't respecting it anyway, Enterprise said that TMP+ crabface Klingons are the original Klingon biology and TOS swarthy smooth ones are the augment-infected. If these coal-black dudes in chandelier armor are supposed to be the  ~true original concept do not steal~ Klingons then that's a *ticks off on fingers* retcon of a retcon of a retcon. Just lol if any of this looks like respect.
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They keep saying they are doing something with different Klingon houses, all of which have a different look. It could be kind of neat to have all of them running around at once: the old school greasy Mongolian Klingons, these "ancient" guys, the TNG Viking dudes, the Star Trek VI space Russians...
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Sep 9, 2017 18:32
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If they were going for "ancient Klingons" then they should have used the design of Worf's de-evolved form from "Genesis."
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Hmmm...  Our entire civilization is just failing.
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Sep 9, 2017 19:17
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Sep 9, 2017 19:22
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That is the weirdest list. Its all good TNG episodes and then the lame Voyager equivalents. Not even a good Doctor episode or Wink of an Eye.
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Sep 9, 2017 19:24
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Hmmm... I guess I can understand people going through the major Borg-centric episodes. But then 9 and 10 are a random lovely season 1 Voyager episode and an okay-ish TNG episode from the middle of the series.
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Sep 9, 2017 19:25
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Pakled posted:If they were going for "ancient Klingons" then they should have used the design of Worf's de-evolved form from "Genesis." That's probably too ancient. I got the impression that Worf's proto-Klingon form probably dates back hundreds of thousands of years or more. It could also be an unreliable gauge of accuracy considering how Barclay somehow de-evolved into a spider. 
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Mountaineer posted:I guess I can understand people going through the major Borg-centric episodes. But then 9 and 10 are a random lovely season 1 Voyager episode and an okay-ish TNG episode from the middle of the series. To theorize, I've contributed to this list by using those episodes as white background noise to fall asleep to.
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The Unlife Aquatic posted:
In, like, every survey taken over the past 15 years, Voyager has been almost always at the top of "favorite Trek series" polls.
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Mountaineer posted:I guess I can understand people going through the major Borg-centric episodes. But then 9 and 10 are a random lovely season 1 Voyager episode and an okay-ish TNG episode from the middle of the series. Most rewatched because they're so forgettable?
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People like Voyager for some reason. I don't get it.
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^ Simple, really: it was TNG Lite.The Unlife Aquatic posted:
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Sep 9, 2017 20:33
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The Borg are the Star Trek villain everyone knows, it's not super hard to figure most of that list out. Why Time and Again I don't know (its an okay Janeway episode) but Clues is a good episode at least.
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FuturePastNow posted:People like Voyager for some reason. I don't get it. TNG-lite, low-calorie, was pimped out heavily by Paramount PR for having a woman as the captain, was the flagship of UPN.
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I wonder what the franchise would be like today if Voyager had came out right after TNG, to sate the audience who wanted more TNG instead of coming face to face with only DS9. Would Voyager's numbers had been higher had DS9 not poisoned the well?
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