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Arcsech posted:we piss test on hiring but if we ever did it to existing employees we'd probably lose >50% of the engineers because we're in Colorado hr works for the company, if the managers actually run the company they should tell HR to go gently caress they selves and have more reasonable policies
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Helianthus Annuus posted:i wonder how much variation there is w/r/t security protocols in these piss labs. lol no it's "find a lab and give them this form i guess" and then the lab is "uh bathroom's thataway, here's your cup." there is zero security, it's entirely due diligence theater for investors and/or insurers and every person at every step along the way is perfectly aware of this. but i guess "hey jump through this stupid hr hoop" is beneath some elite upper echelon of computer touchers? idk, never been in it.
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eschaton posted:hr works for the company, if the managers actually run the company they should tell HR to go gently caress they selves and have more reasonable policies lol if you think this ever happens
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managers and senior execs go through it because they know it's a dumb thing that reduces their insurance costs slightly
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:yeah we got forklifts and big trucks and poo poo where i work, it's pretty understandable they don't want anyone wandering out into the warehouse while high. if this is the case they'd test regularly
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FrozenVent posted:lol if you think this ever happens it sure does, I've seen it, around hiring stuff too
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if you've been piss tested then the company you work for is garbage, possibly because it's in a garbage country
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some states offer considerable incentives to piss test your workforce. if you work in a piss test state, you have probably been piss tested at previous jobs. hence all the goons itt who laugh at the very idea of a piss test -- they live in states that don't incentivize it
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piss tests are demeaning but i'll debase myself a little for six and a half figgies, esp when a bunch of other nerds won't even look at the job because of it, that's more figgies for me
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I submitted my piss to get mad figs and I’d do it again I was sure I’d fail so I told my new employer I was taking two weeks vacation and couldn’t piss until after and they were like yeah whatever
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raminasi posted:but i guess "hey jump through this stupid hr hoop" is beneath some elite upper echelon of computer touchers? correct
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JewKiller 3000 posted:correct
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Only piss test I've taken was for an internship years ago in a production factory environment. I thought it was interesting that I had to take a breathalyzer as part of the physical too. Were they checking that I didn't show up to the physical drunk?? I smoke every now and then but I'd take a piss test as part of a job screening. Honestly, I do more things myself to demean my pride than peeing in a cup for someone.
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Bhodi posted:piss tests are demeaning but i'll debase myself a little for six and a half figgies, esp when a bunch of other nerds won't even look at the job because of it, that's more figgies for me Noones arguing that, I would do that too. Like I said, if it's just bog standard computer toucher job I would prob refuse unless I was desperate.
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Steve Jorbs posted:Only piss test I've taken was for an internship years ago in a production factory environment. I thought it was interesting that I had to take a breathalyzer as part of the physical too. Were they checking that I didn't show up to the physical drunk?? Given it's a factory, and depending on the type of device you were breathing into, they may be doing a lung capacity test to make sure you don't black the gently caress out if you need to do any physical activity. It's an environment with a lot of older fat chain smokers, so having people up a croak from a massive massive coronary is a thing.
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Flat Daddy posted:the best life is being a lazy dipshit who still exceeds expectations somehow
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Flat Daddy posted:the best life is being a lazy dipshit who still exceeds expectations somehow But sooner or later they want you to start taking on more responsibility or racking up certs or other bullshit *heavy sigh*
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Boiled Water posted:if you've been piss tested then the company you work for is garbage, possibly because it's in a garbage country  lol that this is normal in the USA
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I've handed over piss, blood, DNA, and just about every other bodily fluid on a regular basis to the Navy for twenty years, so a few more vials for COMPANY$ is no big deal.
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ltugo posted:I've handed over piss, blood, DNA, and just about every other bodily fluid on a regular basis to the Navy for twenty years, so a few more vials for COMPANY$ is no big deal. Why does the Navy need all that stuff?
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Mr SuperAwesome posted:
Well, we have racial minorities that we need to keep unemployed.
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Doom Mathematic posted:Why does the Navy need all that stuff? space corp cloning project
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Boiled Water posted:if you've been piss tested then the company you work for is garbage
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Doom Mathematic posted:Why does the Navy need all that stuff? I was in boot camp in late 1994 when the Navy first started collecting DNA from new recruits. One of us raised his hand and asked why they needed that stuff. "When you get hit by a silkworm missile, we can scrape some of the goo off the bulkhead and put it through a computer to find out who you were so we can notify your family!"
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how bad is it to have no degree? rn i'm putting $university $timespan $course on my resume despite dropping out, i wonder how hosed i'll be when it comes to applying for another job after 3+ years of paid computer touching i mean i doubt most people give a poo poo but still EU if it makes a diff, none of this background check poo poo here lol
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Mr SuperAwesome posted:how bad is it to have no degree? rn i'm putting $university $timespan $course on my resume despite dropping out, i wonder how hosed i'll be when it comes to applying for another job after 3+ years of paid computer touching US person with a degree I don't think anyone cares beyond the HR filter stage, so maybe knowing people becomes more important? You'll definitely run into some companies that will bin your resume if you send it cold.
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Mr SuperAwesome posted:how bad is it to have no degree? rn i'm putting $university $timespan $course on my resume despite dropping out, i wonder how hosed i'll be when it comes to applying for another job after 3+ years of paid computer touching no one really gives a poo poo after you already have actual experience on your resume. well, in america at least, not sure if eu is any different.
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Steve Jorbs posted:Only piss test I've taken was for an internship years ago in a production factory environment. I thought it was interesting that I had to take a breathalyzer as part of the physical too. Were they checking that I didn't show up to the physical drunk?? you'd apparently be surprised how many of the people you worked with on the floor were drunk (well drinking - takes a lot for a real alcoholic to get drunk) all day every day
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leper khan posted:US person with a degree fair, tbh my resume looks similar to someone who didn't put their GPA on; im just not explicitly claiming i graduated
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From experience, not having a degree hurts when trying to get a job and go through recruiters or HR who take a degree as mandatory, when consulting (because agencies and those contracting them put on similar requirements) and if you're trying to emigrate anywhere -- not having a degree automatically puts you in the ´unqualified worker' bin no matter how much real world experience you have.
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ThePeavstenator posted:
sucks keep interviewing tho
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Munkeymon posted:you'd apparently be surprised how many of the people you worked with on the floor were drunk (well drinking - takes a lot for a real alcoholic to get drunk) all day every day
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ThePeavstenator posted:
at least they didnt leave you hanging v  vgood luck and may figgies be in your future.
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tip: if you get any contact from JobSpring Partners, Work Bridge, or Seven Step, do not touch. these are all DBAs of the same recruiting organization that, when the dot-com boom busted, turned into a kind of pirate organization that contacts people more often to pump them for job market intel than to fill positions
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Bhodi posted:piss tests are demeaning but i'll debase myself a little for six and a half figgies, esp when a bunch of other nerds won't even look at the job because of it, that's more figgies for me god help you and your tender sensibilities if you ever have a procedure that requires you to wear a foley catheter for any amount of time
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Gazpacho posted:whats so demeaning about it, most people piss every day and those who don't should see a doctor. what does it matter if it gets tested It's less about the piss and more about it being collected and tested and it having very little to do with your ability to perform a job.
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ThePeavstenator posted:It's less about the piss and more about it being collected and tested and it having very little to do with your ability to perform a job. Just did a piss test for my new second job. That's right I work for two different companies thus I am better than you.
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Arcsech posted:sucks the worst part about it was the feedback of "they're looking for someone with more positive software engineering experience" I'm beating myself up because I talked way more about the hardest stuff I've worked on and about how I managed chaotic environments (with carefully chosen language) which definitely still sounded like me being incompetent/blaming people feels like if I only talked about the easy poo poo I've done that worked right away it would have been a yes
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