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Evil Fluffy posted:Wrath and Affliction break with Dr Mog/Mako on Ramza then? I'm thinking of redoing my Fenrir group to drop OK and Zack (who's mostly dead weight, even with his CSB, since his damage options suck) for Ramza and someone else (either a 2nd healer like Arc or 3rd damage dealer), while keeping Cloud with lifesiphon+Omega and his USB and then probably Squall for damage since his OSB would make him more useful than Butz in that fight. So probably something like Cloud/Ramza/Squall/Y'shtola/???? (Edge with quick hit maybe, or keep OK to double up Shout/VoF). I'd do Lifesiphon over Wrath for Ramza since Wrath overwrites the attack boost from Shout, but yeah. Sometimes I give him Battleforged and give the Mako to Onion Knight, but it doesn't seem to make a whole lot of difference. Bartz is really good for me on Fenrir even with just his earth BSB, but I have him fully dived and he routinely double-strikes Fenrir for 40k, which is nuts.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:I'd do Lifesiphon over Wrath for Ramza since Wrath overwrites the attack boost from Shout, but yeah. Sometimes I give him Battleforged and give the Mako to Onion Knight, but it doesn't seem to make a whole lot of difference. Wait, you're doing 20k per BSB hit with an EARTH bsb against Fenrir? What? I use Bartz' BSB3 in JP against Hydra, who's WEAK to earth, and it only does like 13k. And mind you, that's with stacked Shout and Deployment Tactics, a 6*++ fully augmented sword, a 6* bracer, and Cloud's +30% damage with swords RM4. What the hell setup do you have that Bartz is doing 40k on a doublecast?
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Schwartzcough posted:Wait, you're doing 20k per BSB hit with an EARTH bsb against Fenrir? What? I use Bartz' BSB3 in JP against Hydra, who's WEAK to earth, and it only does like 13k. And mind you, that's with stacked Shout and Deployment Tactics, a 6*++ fully augmented sword, a 6* bracer, and Cloud's +30% damage with swords RM4. What the hell setup do you have that Bartz is doing 40k on a doublecast? Oh sorry, that's with Snowspell Strike, forgot to clarify. I honed it to R2 and could technically go to R3 with it, but since the only people I use it on are Celes and Bartz and the former has runic, 4 uses feels like enough so far. No imperil ice though, that's just Shout + VoF + Burst Mode + the self-buff on command 2 and a full dive.
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A new Future Banners guide has popped up. In a vaccuum, after both get all their new toys, who would be the better buffbot: Ramza or Onion Knight? I'm thinking about potentially skipping the FFTA banner for the OK banner.
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Sep 10, 2017 00:45
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ceaselessfuture posted:Is it just me or are these new realm dungeons tougher than their 160 difficulty would seem? they've been punching about their rating for a while now i think
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ceaselessfuture posted:A new Future Banners guide has popped up. As a full Ramza-haver I will say he's pretty tasty but Onion might edge him out slightly in overall quality if you get both USBs. However that will be noticeably harder and less likely than getting Ramza's one USB. Edit: To expand on that, Onion is a bit more flexible since he has a 30/30 and solo At and Mag buff, all of which come with Hastega and other goodies. By comparison, Ramza only has a Hastega with his Atk buff but the usefulness of History's Truth should not be discounted: with his LMR you can fire that off first thing in every fight and not only buff everyone but let that insta-cast their first SBs, Breaks or Proshellga. LornMarkus fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Sep 10, 2017 |
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LornMarkus posted:As a full Ramza-haver I will say he's pretty tasty but Onion might edge him out slightly in overall quality if you get both USBs. However that will be noticeably harder and less likely than getting Ramza's one USB. That makes sense. I guess I'll have to see how things turn out after the 30th. Maybe I'll be able to save some for it after all. quote:they've been punching about their rating for a while now i think no joke, I'm worried about the last one now.
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Sep 10, 2017 01:11
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The 160+ elite dungeons really don't gently caress around. They're basically torment-lite. I've had to use my A-team on a lot of them.
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Sep 10, 2017 01:25
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I've been taking a break from playing the last couple days, and I decided to hop on since its my day off and try the FFV mp before it goes away. I'm pretty sure that boss sapped any enthusiasm I had remaining for the game, in light of how bad the performance of the app has been for me lately. So, uh, thanks stupid reraise dragon, you made it a lot easier for me to brush off the sunk cost.
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Sep 10, 2017 05:09
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 I FINALLY KILLED THAT loving PLANTwhat an annoying goddamn fight i also empathize with your resurrecting dragon woes, Cinnamon.
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I decided not to even try for this week's MP given what I heard about it, not worth the frustration. I finally got around to trying my first magecite, took down liquid flame in about 50 seconds on my first attempt! Bartz USB/BSB2 and Tidus CSB/BSB had me confident. I'll dip my toes into the others in the coming week, that was a lot of fun!
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Sep 10, 2017 06:32
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Chain instant casting History's Truth in Jumpstart is the poo poo. Just truthing all over that ghost.
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Sep 10, 2017 15:56
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Put off doing the Necrophobe JS and I guess I better finish it today before it goes away. Can you just do RW Cloud USB and brute force it like usual, or is there an actual strategy this time?
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Sep 10, 2017 16:32
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Put off doing the Necrophobe JS and I guess I better finish it today before it goes away. Brute force works fine
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 Incoming patch to the SB system in JP: Maintenance will be held on 15th September. After the maintenance, SB Gauge will now have 6 bars. Each bar will now require 250 points to fill, so the maximum amount to max is still 1500. Mako Might and Dr Mog's Teachings will now give 2 SB gauges at the start of battle (still 500 points). All current SBs that require 1000 SB points (like Healing Grimoire) will only need 500 after the renewal. (This is obviously to accommodate the newest SBs, but the granularity gives them some new design space - and hey, it's a little buff to ol' Tyro!)
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Does this mean you'll be able to use SB more often since 1 bar is now 250 instead of 500?
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The short term implication seems to be that all current SBs will cost 500 meter, which will be 2 bars, but that "Flash Tech" we've heard about might be like 250 meter SBs. However, we won't know for certain until after the patch.
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Hogama posted:Mako Might and Dr Mog's Teachings will now give 2 SB gauges at the start of battle (still 500 points). This only matters for Healing Grimoire, which now is a Curaja-strength medica with no downside. The other 2-bar/1000 point SBs were shared trash before and now they're still shared trash. (Okay, I think a few early core characters had 2-bar SBs, too, but  )
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It indeed sounds likely one of the new SB types will be one bar, or half bar in current game. Interesting.
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Huh, doesn't Core Bard have a 40% boostga? Sort of cool everyone will have access to a decent boost, albeit on a crappy character. And even among cores, Support 4/Bard 4 gives them Wrath, Breakdowns, Protectga and Shellga access. Not too bad until you get someone better for beginners. Healing Grimoire is the big winner though. Makes me wish I had it a little, just to add to Tyro's Jack of All Trades status.
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pichupal posted:Huh, doesn't Core Bard have a 40% boostga? Sort of cool everyone will have access to a decent boost, albeit on a crappy character. Except with RWs (or the RW replacements), you'll always have access to a decent boostga anyway. Barring that, JP has the Dr. Mog's Beginner Banner, which isn't a guaranteed boostga (since it's a single draw and none of the freebie bursts are boostgas, though DK Cecil and Auron at least get self-boosts), but at the very least has Wall and Minfilia's boostga/last stand as potential draws. We're long past the days where core characters can pretend to be relevant even with a +40% boost.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Put off doing the Necrophobe JS and I guess I better finish it today before it goes away. I legend dived butz and got his LM relic and did a RW cloud USB and uses his old unique SB enwind to oneshot the barriers and then spammed snowspell strike and killed it in like three attacks.
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Neutral Zone Trap posted:It indeed sounds likely one of the new SB types will be one bar, or half bar in current game. They could also go the other way and make some cost 3 new-size bars for really big effects (though you're right and that doesn't seem like what they're doing this time).
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Boy don't I feel dumb now for never having Tyro master Healing Grimoire and using it as a rosetta stone ages ago. 
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Boy don't I feel dumb now for never having Tyro master Healing Grimoire and using it as a rosetta stone ages ago. Did it not give stats for mastery?
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KPC_Mammon posted:Did it not give stats for mastery? It was a Unique SB well before the age of mastery bonuses. So no. Until this news today Healing Grimoire was a giant useless brick.
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Prism posted:They could also go the other way and make some cost 3 new-size bars for really big effects (though you're right and that doesn't seem like what they're doing this time). That might be the case as well since supposedly there will be two new SB types and the other sounds like to be some giga overstrike. Hell it might even be more than 3 but the effect better be phenomenal at that point.
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I master everything I get, no matter how poo poo it is. There's probably not going to be a day where Squall's Revolver comes in handy, but I'll be ready when it comes
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Neutral Zone Trap posted:That might be the case as well since supposedly there will be two new SB types and the other sounds like to be some giga overstrike. Hell it might even be more than 3 but the effect better be phenomenal at that point. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. 3 mini-bars - two uses when at complete capacity - is doable for a large effect. 4 isn't, really; all you have to do to know that is look at how bad the old 2-bars were. But getting two uses instead of three in a Jump Start? That's a possibility. Cost granularity is a good thing IMO.
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I guess I'll be gearing Tyro with the tactics I use for Penelo for the rare times Wall is not as useful in four-to-six months in the future... 
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There really needs to be a way to somehow recycle or evolve old relics into better ones other than just combining them for better stats.
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All that said, I'm still not all that upset I flipped my Healing Grimoire into the aether. Even with it being a standard cost there's still better options available with other utility attached than just a Giga Medica. If you're in a position where you want that much AoE healing you probably aren't mitigating enough. Then again I haven't done any Torments or Magicite or what have you so maybe I'm out of touch.
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A little bit of update on the new SB gauge - the selection button will turn green at one bar, blue at two bars, and red at three bars. All predictions that the new Overstrike would be three bars (1.5 current) and the Flash Tech would be one bar (0.5 current) appear to be on the money.
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I wonder how Flash Techs will be balanced. Some things could be really broken with Battleforged on and just going Wrath -> Flash -> Wrath -> Flash ect.
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So, I do have a Legend Dive question. Just what sort of criteria do you people use to decide on who is worth being legend dived? What characters are great to Legend Dive if you have their relics? I've been thinking of legend Diving Ayame because she's pretty good (also my only ice BSB) for Magicite, as well as Legend Diving Yuna and Hope(when we're able) because I own all their BSBs, USB for Yuna and Hope's OSB. Similarly, I've been thinking of diving Noctis because I own his LMR as well as his OSB. Similarly, I'm also thinking of diving Faris, because I got her BSB and USB, which is pretty awesome.
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Cosmic Afro posted:So, I do have a Legend Dive question. Just what sort of criteria do you people use to decide on who is worth being legend dived? What characters are great to Legend Dive if you have their relics? You just kinda need to look at their LM and evaluate how useful they would be, especially based on the relics you have. In general, dualcast LMs are very powerful, and should probably be prioritized over stuff like "+1% magic for every ice attack used". Ayame is great because her BSB commands are classified as samurai, and her LM1 increases ice damage by 10% and her LM2 gives 35% chance to dualcast samurai abilities, so she can tear stuff up. Similarly Hope gets dualcast holy, so I guess he's alright if you plan to use his BSBs a lot. Conversely, Snow would be a pretty bad candidate, with his LM1 being "reduce ice damage by 10%", and his LM2 just being start with sentinel, essentially. Those LMs are very niche in their usefulness. The start with haste and instant cast 3 are probably a lot better than you think, though, as you can get people set up with a full SB bar, instantly summon a RW, or do all sorts of very fast prep at the start of a fight.
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pichupal posted:I wonder how Flash Techs will be balanced. Some things could be really broken with Battleforged on and just going Wrath -> Flash -> Wrath -> Flash ect. They could do some things that the devs don't allow us to have as normal abilities, but which could still have utility as low-cost SBs like bare Hastegas and Cura medicas that do nothing else or a sub-200% wall. Baku fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Sep 10, 2017 |
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Personally I went with Celes for my first legend dive, because her LM2 fixes pretty much her only weakness, which is low SB gain. It makes hitting a weakness worth almost as much SB as lifesiphon, and for significantly more damage. With it I can keep both Indom Blade and Maria's Song up 100% for fights with a weakness.
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Schwartzcough posted:You just kinda need to look at their LM and evaluate how useful they would be, especially based on the relics you have. In general, dualcast LMs are very powerful, and should probably be prioritized over stuff like "+1% magic for every ice attack used". Ayame is great because her BSB commands are classified as samurai, and her LM1 increases ice damage by 10% and her LM2 gives 35% chance to dualcast samurai abilities, so she can tear stuff up. Similarly Hope gets dualcast holy, so I guess he's alright if you plan to use his BSBs a lot. Yeah, I made a googledoc of all my relics and I'm looking things over. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MUlVZ5DdNeiWCyH29PbkMiLqU1Z1q0ZgPeh08jnTDLc/edit#gid=0 Firion with BSB looks nice, considering the truckload of attacks you can do with his Burst 1. Bartz would be better if I had his USB and BSB2, but his LM rocks. Faris would be a good choice to hit harder with support and make them last longer, yeah. Celes would be great too, like Fister Roboto said, Terra's not worth it for me. Relm's is eeeehhhn. Cloud would rock if I had any of his BSB or USB, the rest I own don't have a Legend dive. Could make an argument for Beatrix and Zidane, but more on Beatrix. Auron is in a similar situation as Ayame. Yuna's LM is eeeehhhn but her SBs are great. Could make an argument for Vaan and Fran, but if I dive Fran, I'm better driving Faris. Cid Raines would probably kick a shitload of rear end with his BSB and being LMed. Vanille too, with BSB. Hope... well, when we get his. Iris' is ... nice, but I'm not sure how much that actually helps me, increasing Mind by amount of uses of White Magic. Agrias' could seriously kickass, free Imperils. Hm, that was some good advice. Thanks.
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