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greazeball posted:Go fast, ~disrupt~ things, leave a Craigslist ad liquidating the office chairs at a modest discount I feel this is more in the spirit of this thread
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hobbesmaster posted:The real question is whether or not all the batteries are used in wear leveling or not. If so it'd be like paying to "upgrade" your SSD by unlocking all the memory used for wear leveling. Slanderer posted:That is not a real question How is that not a real question? It has a direct impact on the manufacturer's cost to service the warranty - so if they are to take on that extra risk to allow you to use the battery pack "harder" they charge you more....... From both an electronics and cost standpoint this seems quite normal.
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# ? Sep 10, 2017 13:21 |
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For the CPUs at least part of the reason for same chip different speeds/prices is that due to irregularities in the manufacturing some chips simply aren't able to run at as high a clock speed as others without errors or overheating. To avoid throwing the worse ones away they just lower the performance specs until the function reliably and sell them cheaper. For a car related example, the two lower range Mustangs have the same ecoboost engine, but in the cheaper of the two it's limited to 130 mph. Some car magazine decided to see what would happen if they removed the governor. Turns out that it could hit 150mph, right up until the cheaper driveshaft in that model exploded. Neither of these are what tesla is doing, exactly. That's "pay us to use the fully functionality of the hardware you bought, and if you try to get around it, we'll try to shut down your car".
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# ? Sep 10, 2017 15:01 |
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A Man With A Plan posted:For the CPUs at least part of the reason for same chip different speeds/prices is that due to irregularities in the manufacturing some chips simply aren't able to run at as high a clock speed as others without errors or overheating. To avoid throwing the worse ones away they just lower the performance specs until the function reliably and sell them cheaper. tesla being able to remotely do a poo poo ton of stuff to your car without your permission is a disaster waiting to happen Condiv fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Sep 10, 2017 |
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A Man With A Plan posted:For the CPUs at least part of the reason for same chip different speeds/prices is that due to irregularities in the manufacturing some chips simply aren't able to run at as high a clock speed as others without errors or overheating. To avoid throwing the worse ones away they just lower the performance specs until the function reliably and sell them cheaper. quote:For a car related example, the two lower range Mustangs have the same ecoboost engine, but in the cheaper of the two it's limited to 130 mph. Some car magazine decided to see what would happen if they removed the governor. Turns out that it could hit 150mph, right up until the cheaper driveshaft in that model exploded. Yeah and that's quite scummy.
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Yeah the CPU analogy doesn't really work because in most cases they're binning based on the frequency they can run stably at.
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# ? Sep 10, 2017 15:29 |
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Condiv posted:tesla being able to remote do a poo poo ton of stuff to your car without your permission is a disaster waiting to happen Perhaps, but it has some safety benefits as well. After one of the early accidents that resulted in the batteries catching fire, their engineers figured out that raising the chassis by an inch would reduce the chances of tgat happening in other accidents without significantly changing how the car performed. So they pushed a firmware update to do that. I'm not sure I'd personally like that, and there is definitely room for issues, but its not all bad. If its any consolation, most automobiles can do this today, just not remotely. If your car has a recall on, I dunno, the accelerator pedal, they're probably updating the firmware at the same time.
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# ? Sep 10, 2017 15:29 |
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Ynglaur posted:Perhaps, but it has some safety benefits as well. After one of the early accidents that resulted in the batteries catching fire, their engineers figured out that raising the chassis by an inch would reduce the chances of tgat happening in other accidents without significantly changing how the car performed. So they pushed a firmware update to do that. being able to do poo poo like this remotely opens users to nasty hacks if a hacker was so inclined to kill people
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# ? Sep 10, 2017 15:31 |
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shrike82 posted:Yeah the CPU analogy doesn't really work because in most cases they're binning based on the frequency they can run stably at.
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shrike82 posted:I can speak for finance (as an industry) and data science (as a vocation) but Matlab’s becoming increasingly irrelevant with most shops shifting wholly to a stack with R or Python. And also lol at most of the python vs matlab coding examples google is showing me, none of these people know how to use matlab properly. edit: otoh, gently caress indexing from 1 ANIME AKBAR fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Sep 10, 2017 |
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ShadowHawk posted:At first, but it's not at all uncommon for later CPUs in a generation to keep binning even once almost all of them could run at the high specs. Sometimes the demand for the budget version is greater than the amount of slightly worse CPUs you accidentally make. Yeah, I'm sure Intel sells a ton of potential i7s as Celerons. blowfish posted:Yeah and that's quite scummy. If you have problems with that, then you must have major issues with much of the software industry where they often charge large amounts of money for software that has almost zero marginal production cost. You probably also probably have issues with the publishing and entertainment businesses as well.
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# ? Sep 10, 2017 16:11 |
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It's not unreasonable for people to be annoyed with lovely pricing practices being imported from the IT industry to autos.
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silence_kit posted:Yeah, I'm sure Intel sells a ton of potential i7s as Celerons. I do
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blowfish posted:Yeah and that's quite scummy. Why is that scummy? The cheaper car having cheaper parts in it seems pretty reasonable.
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ANIME AKBAR posted:At the very least Matlab can rely on loyalty from many academic fields, including my own, where basically every bit of code exchanged between groups is matlab. I can't imagine having to create publication-quality figures without matlab anymore. It's almost all MATLAB here too, but I moved into python for some stuff just to be more marketable and FWIW figure creation would be one of the easiest things to get up to speed on. There are at least 2-3 packages that give you just as much control as MATLAB with better defaults and palette options. Not that it really matters since academics are the least-savvy consumers in the world so as long as you're with a university you're pretty much guaranteed to have a site license forever. The only downside of knowing both is the near-certainty that I will gently caress up indexing once every Monday morning.
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# ? Sep 10, 2017 18:59 |
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I don't see how software locking a battery is fundamentally different from software locking software. If you have a lite version of an app it'd cost the company nothing to let you have the full version instead, but they don't do that for free because they need/want more money. Like I can see how on the surface it looks sillier, but under the hood it's just the usual price discrimination.
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Cicero posted:I don't see how software locking a battery is fundamentally different from software locking software. If you have a lite version of an app it'd cost the company nothing to let you have the full version instead, but they don't do that for free because they need/want more money. Many consumers seem to assume price == quality == difficulty of production This is evidence they're wrong, and those people hate being wrong. It's being tactlessly delivered in a way that also plants seeds of doubt on ownership
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Patrick Spens posted:Why is that scummy? The cheaper car having cheaper parts in it seems pretty reasonable. it's my loving car and by god i'm going to use it to the fullest extent possible (gently caress whoever built it)
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Cicero posted:I don't see how software locking a battery is fundamentally different from software locking software. If you have a lite version of an app it'd cost the company nothing to let you have the full version instead, but they don't do that for free because they need/want more money. blowfish posted:IIRC there were some straight up "buy license code to unlock more core" CPUs though.
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For the intel upgrade card thing,t he first processor it was for was a "Pentium" that you could pay $50 to add hyper-threading and an additional megabyte of unlocked cache, but maintain the existing 2.8 GHz speed. There was an i3 available for the same socket, for $15 more, which was equivalent to the "upgraded" Pentium except it was running at 2.93 GHz. The next year they did it with new processors but in this case it was even more direct - 2 i3s that would be slightly improved to the speeds and cache of the next step up in i3 choices, and one Pentium that did the same to the next step up Pentium. In all cases the upgrade cost a lot more than just buying the better CPU from the start, and none crossed from the Pentium level to the i3 level. Note that a lot of these processors would be of the level where they would just be included with pre-built computer systems, and as such the market wasn't really there for people who wanted mild performance upgrades like this.
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# ? Sep 10, 2017 22:51 |
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Condiv posted:tesla being able to remotely do a poo poo ton of stuff to your car without your permission is a disaster waiting to happen
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shrike82 posted:lamo, i didn't realize Tesla was doing price segmentation by firmware Yeah it's been a known thing for a while. The tesla owners forums i glanced at briefly all recommended getting a 60 kWh version instead of 85, since you can wear down 25 kWh before actually wearing down the capacity you're allowed to use.
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Ynglaur posted:See: food in most public schools. When bureaucrats try to create a healthy meal, you end up with a peanut butter sandwich with an inch of peanut butter thats inedible. That's not "bureaucrats," it's decades of reduced funding and privatization. School meals were and are a massive boon for society.
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blowfish posted:it's my loving car and by god i'm going to use it to the fullest extent possible (gently caress whoever built it)
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Discendo Vox posted:That's not "bureaucrats," it's decades of reduced funding and privatization. School meals were and are a massive boon for society. Since this tends to happen with centrally planned food, I think you just reinforced my point.
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Ynglaur posted:Since this tends to happen with centrally planned food, I think you just reinforced my point. How stupid do you have to be to think centrally planned food naturally leads to privatization or reducing funding?
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The real problem there seems like that it's kids eating the lovely food, and kids have little (direct) voice. If their parents had to eat the same crap it'd be a different story.
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Ynglaur posted:Since this tends to happen with centrally planned food, I think you just reinforced my point. you realize that the "public school food is lovely" thing is because public schools don't really cook food anymore and instead contract out to major foodservice firms like sysco or us foods? it's literally the same food they serve in prisons, supplied by the lowest bidder on the free market or are you trying to say that huge food conglomerates are also "centrally planned food"
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It would be pretty cool if we could set up a meal system that gave school kids decent food and also educated them on how to make it.
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RuanGacho posted:It would be pretty cool if we could set up a meal system that gave school kids decent food and also educated them on how to make it. Blue Apron 4 Kids - the latest in social entrepreneurship!
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For what it's worth our public school food was always fine even if you were hopping between free lunch and reduced price like my family was. That's because our school had a good income from property tax and the district wasnt all about cutting costs willy nilly. New Jersey had then and still has now the principle of right to good education, based on state constitution and state Supreme Court rulings.
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https://www.wired.com/story/startups-are-finally-taking-on-food-stamps/ quote:Thanks to new trends in civic technology, that’s beginning to change. Young tech workers have increasingly noticed the wide-open opportunity to bring disruption to outdated social programs. With a user base of nearly 43 million Americans, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), which provides food stamps, is ripe for innovation.
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fullest kid in america
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Precisely
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RuanGacho posted:It would be pretty cool if we could set up a meal system that gave school kids decent food and also educated them on how to make it. The middle school I used to work at had its meal plan audited by the feds because they didn't believe our submitted menus were real. One of the auditors actually said 'You know you don't have to provide vegetables with every meal; you have salsa and ketchup available.' Actually, we do because everyone should eat vegetables? The teachers would take turns planning and cooking the lunches with a random handful of the kids helping. We would get these big tins of meat, blocks of cheese, etc. from the government to supplement our meal program, I assume because all our kids were from impoverished families. I hadn't realized that 'government cheese' was actually a thing and not just a saying. It was pretty great to teach at a tiny school.
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boner confessor posted:you realize that the "public school food is lovely" thing is because public schools don't really cook food anymore and instead contract out to major foodservice firms like sysco or us foods? it's literally the same food they serve in prisons, supplied by the lowest bidder on the free market I didn't explain very well. I'm saying that in the US, an unfortunate result of having the government centralize food distribution is that it inevitably gets privatized, and the lowest bidder combined with bureaucratic rules results in bad food that is bad. I'm sure that 1" peanut butter sandwich is completely up to spec, so to speak, but it doesn't result in a good outcome.
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Ynglaur posted:I didn't explain very well. I'm saying that in the US, an unfortunate result of having the government centralize food distribution is that it inevitably gets privatized, and the lowest bidder combined with bureaucratic rules results in bad food that is bad. I'm sure that 1" peanut butter sandwich is completely up to spec, so to speak, but it doesn't result in a good outcome. When did the government EVER centralize food distribution in the US, even for single states and just their school food? Your complaint is about some sort of alternate universe, because it sure isn't how any of these places work. At best you get centralized distribution for large town school districts. Acinonyx posted:We would get these big tins of meat, blocks of cheese, etc. from the government to supplement our meal program, I assume because all our kids were from impoverished families. I hadn't realized that 'government cheese' was actually a thing and not just a saying. Yes those programs are generally part of programs that act to subsidize various sorts of farming. The government will have agreements to always be ready to purchase X amount of Y goods to provide a baseline for the market, and then since they don't actually need a whole warehouse full of basic cheeses, they'll be distributed onwards to various services for the poor, including in schools. fishmech fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Sep 11, 2017 |
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Cost of marketing note: We bought and paid for a month's worth of Blue Apron for the aged parents. (They adored it.) In return, we got to give three free one-week boxes of Blue Apron to friends. Mine -- I am my own best friend I have no idea what the true cost of a BlueApron box is; I think I've heard they're selling at a loss, but I'm not sure. But they're giving away a lot of free goods in response to a 4-week purchase, in hopes of luring more people to subscribe. You have to give a credit card number, of course, but you can cancel after getting the free shipment. I can't see Blue Apron as the Columbia Records of food, given that most people will notice an extra hundred dollars on the credit card.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Cost of marketing note: We bought and paid for a month's worth of Blue Apron for the aged parents. (They adored it.) In return, we got to give three free one-week boxes of Blue Apron to friends. Mine -- I am my own best friend
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mobby_6kl posted:The high cost of customer acquisition probably wouldn't be such a big issue if everyone actually stayed with them afterwards, but I recall reading that people cancel their subscriptions at a particularly high rate. Yeah, I don't care if the ingredients include toasted unicorn and blitzed kitten kisses, I ain't paying $35/meal for a family of four.
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