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Kim Jong Il posted:What does any of this have to do anything? I haven't uniformly defended all of Israel's actions. I support the two state solution and abandoning the majority of settlements. I've been in misery with Netanyahu and Likud in power for the last eight years. I don't think they should have fought the three Gaza wars. I don't think they should sell weapons to dictators. I think they should let African refugees stay. The last two are lovely things that many states do. You misspelled cuckold dumbass. Also it's a lot more interesting to me that you just write off heinous poo poo like selling guns to violent governments because all the cool kids are doing it. Stop posting here jesus christ.
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Prince Yair (no, not that one), has gone off the deep end, posting the following on Facebook with the title "The Food Chain": From left to right: George Soros, anonymous lizard person, Illuminati Jew stereotype, former PM and vocal Netanyahu critic Ehud Barak, recently arrested (and released) co-organizer of the protests in front of the Attorney General's house Eldad Yaniv, former Prime Minister's House groundskeeper and other co-organizer of these protests Meni Naftali.
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I recently got some poo poo for comparing them to Nazis, but Yair is really making my points for me.
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Sep 9, 2017 15:44
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Holy poo poo! What is his point here? "I've always told you that Jews control the world. And, see, this jew here admits it", or what? Edit: Also why doesn't Bibi's name get the Jew-brackets? Try to be consistent at least you fucks!
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Prince Yair (no, not that one), has gone off the deep end, posting the following on Facebook with the title "The Food Chain": Did he draw the cattle cars himself in MSPaint?
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Dommolus Magnus posted:What is his point here? Probably something more like "holy poo poo, an Israeli is sincerely disseminating neo-Nazi propaganda because its anti-Semitic attack is targeting someone who has criticized Israeli government policy. Authoritarianism is a hell of a drug".
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VitalSigns posted:Probably something more like "holy poo poo, an Israeli is sincerely disseminating neo-Nazi propaganda because its anti-Semitic attack is targeting someone who has criticized Israeli government policy. Authoritarianism is a hell of a drug". Yeah, I'm sure that's "Dr." David ""Former" KKK Grand Wizard" Duke's argument here. 
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Keeshhound posted:Bibi isn't a "secret" Jew. Neither is Soros.
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420 Gank Mid posted:Holy poo poo, how dumb are you if you think a Bantustan is an independent and separate country? That's the exact opposite of the purpose of a Bantustan like Israel is creating in occupied territories. I did not say an abstract Bantustan is, I said that Gaza and the West Bank are separate countries, and a two state solution has nearly universal support in international politics, and a majority of support among Palestinians. Ultramega posted:You misspelled cuckold dumbass. Also it's a lot more interesting to me that you just write off heinous poo poo like selling guns to violent governments because all the cool kids are doing it. Stop posting here jesus christ. It's a side issue. It's not something they should be doing, but it doesn't matter with regards to peace. In fact, their current policy of supporting human rights abuses by the Palestinian Authority, Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc... arguably make a peace agreement more likely. Kim Jong Il fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Sep 10, 2017 |
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Kim Jong Il posted:It's a side issue. It's not something they should be doing, but it doesn't matter with regards to peace. In fact, their current policy of supporting human rights abuses by the Palestinian Authority, Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc... arguably make a peace agreement more likely. You might like how Israeli support for the Shah in Iran made a peace agreement with Iran more likely?
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I wasn't arguing it made for long term stability, but they're not really in a position where they can push away potential allies. For decades the US pushed Israel to have closer ties with Sunni states. They're making a bad mistake by not trying for a deal while it's an amenable climate.
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starkebn posted:Why can't Palestinians just have equal rights in a one state Israel? Because the Israeli government keeps trying to cleanse them from the face of the earth and giving them rights would be an impediment to that goal. Like all of a sudden if someone has equal protection under the law you cant just bulldoze their house and salt their farms to build your illegal settlements on the land their family has lived on for countless generations.
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420 Gank Mid posted:Because the Israeli government keeps trying to cleanse them from the face of the earth and giving them rights would be an impediment to that goal. It was kind of a rhetorical question. I know the Israelis are being cunts, but the most obvious solution is just that everyone be treated fairly and equally in a secular country.
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starkebn posted:Why can't Palestinians just have equal rights in a one state Israel? Because the Palestinians don't want it any more than the Israelis do and because it's been the basis of no historical talks, international legal statements, or agreements. Two states for two peoples is the only peace format with any public support and international recognition.
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starkebn posted:Why can't Palestinians just have equal rights in a one state Israel?
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Disinterested posted:Because the Palestinians don't want it any more than the Israelis do and because it's been the basis of no historical talks, international legal statements, or agreements. Two states for two peoples is the only peace format with any public support and international recognition. eh, it's not never discussed
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starkebn posted:eh, it's not never discussed It's discussed by a remote fringe. It's irrelevant. People need to get over it.
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Disinterested posted:It's discussed by a remote fringe. It's irrelevant. People need to get over it. well, the Israelis aren't going to stop until their borders are where they want them, that much is obvious
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starkebn posted:well, the Israelis aren't going to stop until their borders are where they want them, that much is obvious And that isn't a problem solved by any version of any solution.
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Yeah but if you go by what Israel wants it also puts a one state solution with equal rights off the table. There's basically no path to peace that doesn't require the state of Israel changing its plans in some way.
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Seems defeatist. But 70 years of history there probably says you're right.
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Are there other historical examples where a nation conquered some land but didn't immediately annex it? Curious to know how those scenarios played out.
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qkkl posted:Are there other historical examples where a nation conquered some land but didn't immediately annex it? Curious to know how those scenarios played out. Depends on what exactly you mean by 'annex'. Puppet and client states have existed for a long time thought.
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starkebn posted:Seems defeatist. But 70 years of history there probably says you're right. There are things that could happen to change Israel's behaviour. The primary example is the United States not paying for Israel's security services and providing it political cover on the international stage. Futuresight posted:Yeah but if you go by what Israel wants it also puts a one state solution with equal rights off the table. There's basically no path to peace that doesn't require the state of Israel changing its plans in some way. What about going by what both parties want? Palestinians also want a two-state solution. Sorry to tell you BDS. qkkl posted:Are there other historical examples where a nation conquered some land but didn't immediately annex it? Curious to know how those scenarios played out. Tons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnia_and_Herzegovina#Austro-Hungarian_rule_.281878.E2.80.931918.29
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starkebn posted:Why can't Palestinians just have equal rights in a one state Israel? well, it's a religious theocracy and they're not jewish... 
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qkkl posted:Are there other historical examples where a nation conquered some land but didn't immediately annex it? Curious to know how those scenarios played out. The entire situation resembles pre-modern non-borders. Arguably the settlements program resembles the "ring of iron" of castles to conquer medieval Wales.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Yeah, I'm sure that's "Dr." David ""Former" KKK Grand Wizard" Duke's argument here.  I'm dumb
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Volkerball posted:Israel Hayom? Sheldon Adelson's joke tabloid, so that's telling in multiple ways - effect of scandals about their relationship with Likud, maybe they do have them dead to rights, etc...
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Disinterested posted:What about going by what both parties want? Palestinians also want a two-state solution. I'm not supporting one state solution in that post, I'm pointing out it doesn't fare any better under the "Israel doesn't want it" test.
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the old ceremony posted:the desert Interesting idea. If Israel terra-formed the Negev and made it suitable for agriculture I wonder if Palestinians would accept a state there.
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The negev is two times the size of Israel + Gaza + West Bank; It's a terra-forming operation on a sci-fi scale.
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Kim Jong Il posted:I did not say an abstract Bantustan is, I said that Gaza and the West Bank are separate countries, and a two state solution has nearly universal support in international politics, and a majority of support among Palestinians. And? Why bother talking about how a two-state solution has support from every country on Earth except one, because the one exception is the one whose say actually matter. Israel is pushing for a one-Jewish-state solution where Palestinian territory is slowly annexed by ever-increasing encroachments of illegal settlements, "security" areas, walls, checkpoints, and Israeli-only roads. The ever-shrinking islands of Palestinian territory are under Israel's military occupation anyway, so it should be considered to be de-facto part of Israel.
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qkkl posted:Interesting idea. If Israel terra-formed the Negev and made it suitable for agriculture I wonder if Palestinians would accept a state there. Israel has actually made quite a bit of the Negev agriculturally viable, and has been exporting the required technology to (other) 3rd-world countries for most of its existence. Edit: it is also actively trying to move Beduins who live there around and in some cases decitizenize them to make room for more Jewish settlements, so I'm not sure this is going to work out. Absurd Alhazred fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Sep 12, 2017 |
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