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8-Bit Scholar posted:So what system of government ought be adopted or how can corruption in our current system be meaningfully addressed in a long-term and lasting manner? Libertarianism is not a system of government Further, "why don't we just get rid of all of the regulations and make government as small as possible" just lifts the safeguards that dampen corporate corruption. Libertarian ideas would increase net societal corruption while eliminating most of the means of preventing or punishing it.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Well we clearly don't agree that the domestic situation in the U.S. is great, because I think it's pretty loving atrocious what jobs are available and how expensive education systems are, but again, you are a loving whiz bang ace at manipulating language here; despite my saying exactly the opposite of what you are trying to imply, you seem keen on trying to represent me wrong so as to poison my words. So answer a few questions, if you don't mind: Immigration policy: legislation to outlaw Republicans forever and deport them to the Moon, bottom of the sea, Mars, etc. Then we open up the borders and have a general liberal-socialist orgy.
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Sep 11, 2017 02:06
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Is this just how you think? That anyone who disagrees with you must secretly be a racist and you'll find that little slip that proves they were never worth listening to? Can you offer anything besides ad hominem attacks? I'm quoting this post because it seems the most hateful, but a number of you have said the same thing and it's quite silly and more than a little alarming. Look, we've been at this for a few pages now, I feel like the initial outrage ought to have simmered down. Do you lack such faith in your own convictions that you can defend or discuss them without trying to prove some assumption about my person, a person you only know as text and a moving image on a computer screen? "how dare you judge the racist words i post on a text communication medium and conclude i am a racist. how dare you sir. have you no shame"
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boner confessor posted:"how dare you judge the racist words i post on a text communication medium and conclude i am a racist. how dare you sir. have you no shame" C'mon you know there is nothing like good faith posting happening here. He literally posted a thread in GBS saying he was gonna go make the D&D Trump thread go off the rails. And the rest of you helped him.
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Sep 11, 2017 02:07
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Majorian posted:I, too, don't understand that a lot of people who come into the U.S. undocumented, do so to quite literally preserve their lives and the lives of their family. Nope, they're just doing it to be naughty and to take yer jurbs. To wit, a lot of these immigrants are fleeing conditions that U.S. foreign policy helped create. Ending the War on Drugs , for example, would be a huge improvement for quality of life in Mexico, in my opinion. Actually, I have another broad question to ask: do you think that it was good and right that undocumented workers were employed in apparently large numbers by hotels, restaurants and especially California farms to work long hours for less pay than a legal citizen would be, by law, expected to earn? If not, how would you have preferred to see this problem addressed?
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i'm sorry, i was wrong. he thought the epa should be handled at the county level. the faa, in his opinion, was a regulatory organization for birds.
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sudo rm -rf posted:i'm sorry, i was wrong. he thought the epa should be handled at the county level. he thought the faa was a regulatory organization for birds. Lol.
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Sep 11, 2017 02:08
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Captain Monkey posted:C'mon you know there is nothing like good faith posting happening here. He literally posted a thread in GBS saying he was gonna go make the D&D Trump thread go off the rails. And the rest of you helped him. this is a more entertaining sunday night derail than most because instead of arguing about food or dead kids we get to watch a bona fide dumbass dance around trying to pretend like he can make a point or land an insult. he'll either increase his meltdown or quit posting itt, either one is a win for the thread as a whole
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sudo rm -rf posted:i'm sorry, i was wrong. he thought the epa should be handled at the county level. the faa, in his opinion, was a regulatory organization for birds. amazing
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8-Bit Scholar posted:To wit, a lot of these immigrants are fleeing conditions that U.S. foreign policy helped create. Ending the War on Drugs , for example, would be a huge improvement for quality of life in Mexico, in my opinion. Oh yeah totally Do you think that Trump has any intention of ending the war on drugs? quote:Actually, I have another broad question to ask: do you think that it was good and right that undocumented workers were employed in apparently large numbers by hotels, restaurants and especially California farms to work long hours for less pay than a legal citizen would be, by law, expected to earn? If not, how would you have preferred to see this problem addressed? Of course not, but that's because it was bad and wrong to pay them less than a legal citizen, not because those workers were undocumented. This problem can best be addressed by punishing the employers who engage in these exploitative labor practices, not by punishing the workers that are exploited by them.
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*at open mic night* These regulations sure are for the birds!!! *booing is heard from the back* All right, that does it! I'm gonna post so many threads on freedom of speech about you!!
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boner confessor posted:"how dare you judge the racist words i post on a text communication medium and conclude i am a racist. how dare you sir. have you no shame" I didn't say anything racist though. There is no rational way you could possibly interpret my cleaning house analogy as racist unless you are trying to. To be less flowery with my words, my point is is that people will unjustly blame immigrants for lovely working conditions so long as those conditions are left to fester; immigration policy is largely a smokescreen issue to distract from government failings to actually pass meaningful reform. Immigrants are blamed for what's wrong with this country when the real failing lies with our elected leadership, who continue to let infrastructure deteriorate while corporations outsource jobs to improve revenues. This is a bad situation and it should be addressed; by doing so, we'll have more prosperity and less people will have justification to blame their problems on immigrants because, frankly, there'll be less problems to blame them for.
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boner confessor posted:this is a more entertaining sunday night derail than most because instead of arguing about food or dead kids we get to watch a bona fide dumbass dance around trying to pretend like he can make a point or land an insult. he'll either increase his meltdown or quit posting itt, either one is a win for the thread as a whole Fair.
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Captain Monkey posted:C'mon you know there is nothing like good faith posting happening here. He literally posted a thread in GBS saying he was gonna go make the D&D Trump thread go off the rails. And the rest of you helped him. drat he's an internet warrior?? I should have known!
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I wonder how many Trump supporters have been through Not Canada immigration or airport security. I bet it's lower than the general population.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:To wit, a lot of these immigrants are fleeing conditions that U.S. foreign policy helped create. Ending the War on Drugs , for example, would be a huge improvement for quality of life in Mexico, in my opinion. which is precisely what your beautiful strong man hero is doi-
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8-Bit Scholar posted:I didn't say anything racist though. There is no rational way you could possibly interpret my cleaning house analogy as racist unless you are trying to. To be less flowery with my words, my point is is that people will unjustly blame immigrants for lovely working conditions so long as those conditions are left to fester; immigration policy is largely a smokescreen issue to distract from government failings to actually pass meaningful reform. Immigrants are blamed for what's wrong with this country when the real failing lies with our elected leadership, who continue to let infrastructure deteriorate while corporations outsource jobs to improve revenues. This is a bad situation and it should be addressed; by doing so, we'll have more prosperity and less people will have justification to blame their problems on immigrants because, frankly, there'll be less problems to blame them for. Me, an idiot: deporting immigrants requires a hellish police state and empowering fascist ideals about a pure nation. You, a genius libertarian: Actually, if we deport immigrants people will like them more.
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Captain Monkey posted:C'mon you know there is nothing like good faith posting happening here. He literally posted a thread in GBS saying he was gonna go make the D&D Trump thread go off the rails. And the rest of you helped him. Yet some of us are enjoying a lively debate, so either I'm here posting in good faith and some posters are joining in, as to the purpose of the subforum, or this is all an elaborate ruse that I'm perpetuating instead of peeling potatoes for dinner.
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Sep 11, 2017 02:13
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8-Bit Scholar posted:I didn't say anything racist though. There is no rational way you could possibly interpret my cleaning house analogy as racist unless you are trying to. To be less flowery with my words, my point is is that people will unjustly blame immigrants for lovely working conditions so long as those conditions are left to fester; immigration policy is largely a smokescreen issue to distract from government failings to actually pass meaningful reform. Immigrants are blamed for what's wrong with this country when the real failing lies with our elected leadership, who continue to let infrastructure deteriorate while corporations outsource jobs to improve revenues. This is a bad situation and it should be addressed; by doing so, we'll have more prosperity and less people will have justification to blame their problems on immigrants because, frankly, there'll be less problems to blame them for. actually i think people blame immigrants for lovely working conditions because they are xenophobe racists and i don't really care about you working through your own issues in an embarassing public struggle session past the point that i can just mock your stupidity and bad posting like you keep trying to play the moderate by just emptily repeating what you imagine leftist rhetoric to be but then you slip up and refer to kicking out immigrants as "cleaning house" and we're just back to square one, which is you trying alternately to convince this thread and yourself that you're not just another cliche white guy dumb gently caress parroting reddit level warm takes
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Captain Monkey posted:C'mon you know there is nothing like good faith posting happening here. He literally posted a thread in GBS saying he was gonna go make the D&D Trump thread go off the rails. And the rest of you helped him. Rails? Where we're going we don't need rails. 
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8-Bit Scholar posted:I didn't say anything racist though. you've called migrant ag workers "Mexicans," and think racist people are totally chill morally 🤔 e: also lmao peep that fuckin rapsheet friends
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Young Freud posted:According to that NOAA track, it's going to remain at least a Tropical Storm until it crosses the Georgia/Alabama border. Also, it looks like it will lose some of it's tropical cyclone power by the time it drops a poo poo ton of water into the Mississippi River, so expect flooding downriver as well. ya that track has it crossing: clearwater (where my brother is) tampa (my sister) orlando gainesville tallahassee valdosta macon columbus (me) auburn birmingham etc it's absolutely nuts to think how many major cities this system is going to affect, and also how my sibling connectivity is clearly influencing it's path oh god i am so sorry everyone also yea i've been worrying about the chattahoochee flooding since forecast had it turning. we are prone to the riverwalk flooding. it's gonna be gross.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:I didn't say anything racist though. There is no rational way you could possibly interpret my cleaning house analogy as racist unless you are trying to. To be less flowery with my words, my point is is that people will unjustly blame immigrants for lovely working conditions so long as those conditions are left to fester; immigration policy is largely a smokescreen issue to distract from government failings to actually pass meaningful reform. Immigrants are blamed for what's wrong with this country when the real failing lies with our elected leadership, who continue to let infrastructure deteriorate while corporations outsource jobs to improve revenues. This is a bad situation and it should be addressed; by doing so, we'll have more prosperity and less people will have justification to blame their problems on immigrants because, frankly, there'll be less problems to blame them for. if only we could come up with a way to address the problem of having these less-than-us-people in our country that was more than the temporary solutions proposed thus far
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Man, if only we had a D&D thread dedicated to how loving stupid Libertarianism is.
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So is this thread pro or against unregulated hotdogs?
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i'd imagine that 8 bit scholar's internal perception of racism is a lot like pee wee's playhouse where so long as you can avoid saying the magic slur everyone just carries on as normal accepting the rampant tomfoolery as normal business
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William Contraalto posted:Me, an idiot: deporting immigrants requires a hellish police state and empowering fascist ideals about a pure nation. Alright, fair; deportation requires uses of authoritative force that I broadly speaking dislike. It's quite unpleasant, and I'll fully admit that since I know I am safe from deportation due to my citizen status and also my skin color, I'm probably more laissez-faire about it than I should be. It would be nice if we weren't deporting people en masse, but it's also not a great situation where a number of industries were making money off the backs of illegal migrants. I really don't know what the best solution is and I'd encourage you to offer one.
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some way to cleanse our house of the filthy ethnics infesting it, ain't that right, 8-bit
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8-Bit Scholar posted:I didn't say anything racist though. There is no rational way you could possibly interpret my cleaning house analogy as racist unless you are trying to. To be less flowery with my words, my point is is that people will unjustly blame immigrants for lovely working conditions so long as those conditions are left to fester; immigration policy is largely a smokescreen issue to distract from government failings to actually pass meaningful reform. Immigrants are blamed for what's wrong with this country when the real failing lies with our elected leadership, who continue to let infrastructure deteriorate while corporations outsource jobs to improve revenues. This is a bad situation and it should be addressed; by doing so, we'll have more prosperity and less people will have justification to blame their problems on immigrants because, frankly, there'll be less problems to blame them for. Awesome. So when we get rid of all the immigrants and nothing gets any better, everyone will welcome them back with open arms. Do you really expect anyone to believe this horseshit or are you just flailing at this point?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:So is this thread pro or against unregulated hotdogs? unchain those hogs!
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8-Bit Scholar posted:I really don't know what the best solution is and I'd encourage you to offer one. go back to reddit
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perhaps some operating groups tasked with making them... less of an issue
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:So is this thread pro or against unregulated hotdogs? 
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I think Sessions is on to something with this lie detector business. Just get Maury on board and we can have a primetime special during Sweeps.
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stone cold posted:go back to reddit Lol
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8-Bit Scholar posted:I really don't know what the best solution is and I'd encourage you to offer one. Unlimited Immigration. Unless you don't actually believe in free markets. I was serious about the Just Egalitarian World Socialism by the by. 
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Aves Maria! posted:Does every county have scientists, lawyers, and policy experts to craft environmental policy? Does every county have the resources to staff and maintain such an operation? How do you ensure a powerful company does not abuse the county apparatus? 8 Bit Scholar posted:How many scientists, lawyers and policy experts does it take to craft environmental policy?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I think Sessions is on to something with this lie detector business. Just get Maury on board and we can have a primetime special during Sweeps. You jest, but the president is worried about 'ratings' more than anything else.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Alright, fair; deportation requires uses of authoritative force that I broadly speaking dislike. It's quite unpleasant, and I'll fully admit that since I know I am safe from deportation due to my citizen status and also my skin color, I'm probably more laissez-faire about it than I should be. It would be nice if we weren't deporting people en masse, but it's also not a great situation where a number of industries were making money off the backs of illegal migrants. I really don't know what the best solution is and I'd encourage you to offer one. I already posted my solution, friendo. William Contraalto posted:Immigration policy: legislation to outlaw Republicans forever and deport them to the Moon, bottom of the sea, Mars, etc. Then we open up the borders and have a general liberal-socialist orgy.
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