8-Bit Scholar posted:

1. Do you think the state of labor in the U.S. is good right now? If not, why not? If so, why so?

8-Bit Scholar posted:

2. Do you think the U.S. is ably sustaining its current population and would be able to sustain that population without relying heavily on imported goods?

8-Bit Scholar posted:

3. Do you think, overall, domestically, the United States is in a good place and it would be able to ethically and hospitably welcome refugees and immigrants? Perhaps more simply, what immigration policy do you WANT to see enacted, and how do you envision it working?

8-Bit Scholar posted:

To wit, a lot of these immigrants are fleeing conditions that U.S. foreign policy helped create. Ending the War on Drugs , for example, would be a huge improvement for quality of life in Mexico, in my opinion.

Actually, I have another broad question to ask: do you think that it was good and right that undocumented workers were employed in apparently large numbers by hotels, restaurants and especially California farms to work long hours for less pay than a legal citizen would be, by law, expected to earn? If not, how would you have preferred to see this problem addressed?

Google Butt posted:

Lol

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Is this just how you think?

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That anyone who disagrees with you must secretly be a racist

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Can you offer anything besides ad hominem attacks?

Deteriorata posted:

Awesome. So when we get rid of all the immigrants and nothing gets any better, everyone will welcome them back with open arms.

Do you really expect anyone to believe this horseshit or are you just flailing at this point?

8-Bit Scholar posted:

As I stated, immigration reform isn't really where I think we need to start if we're going to address the issue of a police state; I'd also point out that the American left has been atrocious when it comes to dealing with immigration problems, even though they claim to be the pro-immigrant party. I've asked multiple times for people ITT who are outraged that I don't prioritize the issue to offer solutions, and I'm genuinely still waiting. I don't think immigration is even our top problem domestically, and I'd frankly have just let the issue persist as it was until other, more pressing matters -- like mass incarceration -- were dealt with first.

Again, while you're all trying to somehow prove I'm racist or whatever, it'd be nice if you'd offer actual points for discussion. Trump's policy calls for deportations, which is bad; what could or should have Trump done? What policy would you prefer seeing? I'm going to take the comment about opening borders and having an orgy as something tongue-in-cheek, but maybe you'd like to make the case for why open borders wouldn't be a complete disaster?

Pembroke Fuse posted:

Yes. If labor were protected, corporations were properly taxed, the military did not consumer 7% of GDP and basic services like health care, food and power generation were nationalized, it would be possible to sustain the current population quite comfortably.

8-Bit Scholar posted:

As I stated, immigration reform isn't really where I think we need to start if we're going to address the issue of a police state; I'd also point out that the American left has been atrocious when it comes to dealing with immigration problems, even though they claim to be the pro-immigrant party. I've asked multiple times for people ITT who are outraged that I don't prioritize the issue to offer solutions, and I'm genuinely still waiting. I don't think immigration is even our top problem domestically, and I'd frankly have just let the issue persist as it was until other, more pressing matters -- like mass incarceration -- were dealt with first.

Again, while you're all trying to somehow prove I'm racist or whatever, it'd be nice if you'd offer actual points for discussion. Trump's policy calls for deportations, which is bad; what could or should have Trump done? What policy would you prefer seeing? I'm going to take the comment about opening borders and having an orgy as something tongue-in-cheek, but maybe you'd like to make the case for why open borders wouldn't be a complete disaster?

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Military spending is atrocious, I agree; but how do you protect labor while also "properly" tax corporations? Are you asking for higher or lower corporate taxes? Bear in mind, corporations claim that they go elsewhere and create jobs in other places because they offer better tax rates than the U.S. does; I'd say it's also because they aren't obligated to follow U.S. labor laws there. What could possibly entice them to return, knowing they'd have to pay more money to do so?

8-Bit Scholar posted:

As I stated, immigration reform isn't really where I think we need to start if we're going to address the issue of a police state; I'd also point out that the American left has been atrocious when it comes to dealing with immigration problems, even though they claim to be the pro-immigrant party. I've asked multiple times for people ITT who are outraged that I don't prioritize the issue to offer solutions, and I'm genuinely still waiting. I don't think immigration is even our top problem domestically, and I'd frankly have just let the issue persist as it was until other, more pressing matters -- like mass incarceration -- were dealt with first.

Again, while you're all trying to somehow prove I'm racist or whatever, it'd be nice if you'd offer actual points for discussion. Trump's policy calls for deportations, which is bad; what could or should have Trump done? What policy would you prefer seeing? I'm going to take the comment about opening borders and having an orgy as something tongue-in-cheek, but maybe you'd like to make the case for why open borders wouldn't be a complete disaster?

KickerOfMice posted:

What, other than attention do you require? This is tedious, people wanna talk about not you.

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Military spending is atrocious, I agree; but how do you protect labor while also "properly" tax corporations? Are you asking for higher or lower corporate taxes? Bear in mind, corporations claim that they go elsewhere and create jobs in other places because they offer better tax rates than the U.S. does; I'd say it's also because they aren't obligated to follow U.S. labor laws there. What could possibly entice them to return, knowing they'd have to pay more money to do so?

8-Bit Scholar posted:

My initial goal was to make the case that hyperbolic criticism of Trump and the dehumanization of his supporters weakened any message opposing him. It seems to me, and still so, that a lot of those who oppose Trump's policies oppose them for superficial reasons or else fail to understand why he got the support he did and was elected at all. It was my hope to suggest that by finding common solutions that could unify people, you might be able to put your political passions towards a meaningful change of course after Trump is out of the White House.

That's where this all began, with me pointing out how absurd it is that some posters here thought huge swathes of the population are literally evil. Now that we've debated immigration a spell, I'd say it's kind of ironic that you're so adamantly in favor of protecting immigrants from being blamed for the nation's problems, yet a lot of you are just shifting that blame onto other perceived unwanted demographics. Don't you think that sort of misses the point?

Peven Stan posted:

8-Bit Scholar posted:

My initial goal was to make the case that hyperbolic criticism of Trump and the dehumanization of his supporters weakened any message opposing him. It seems to me, and still so, that a lot of those who oppose Trump's policies oppose them for superficial reasons or else fail to understand why he got the support he did and was elected at all. It was my hope to suggest that by finding common solutions that could unify people, you might be able to put your political passions towards a meaningful change of course after Trump is out of the White House.

That's where this all began, with me pointing out how absurd it is that some posters here thought huge swathes of the population are literally evil. Now that we've debated immigration a spell, I'd say it's kind of ironic that you're so adamantly in favor of protecting immigrants from being blamed for the nation's problems, yet a lot of you are just shifting that blame onto other perceived unwanted demographics. Don't you think that sort of misses the point?

8-Bit Scholar posted:

My initial goal was to make the case that hyperbolic criticism of Trump and the dehumanization of his supporters weakened any message opposing him. It seems to me, and still so, that a lot of those who oppose Trump's policies oppose them for superficial reasons or else fail to understand why he got the support he did and was elected at all. It was my hope to suggest that by finding common solutions that could unify people, you might be able to put your political passions towards a meaningful change of course after Trump is out of the White House.

That's where this all began, with me pointing out how absurd it is that some posters here thought huge swathes of the population are literally evil. Now that we've debated immigration a spell, I'd say it's kind of ironic that you're so adamantly in favor of protecting immigrants from being blamed for the nation's problems, yet a lot of you are just shifting that blame onto other perceived unwanted demographics. Don't you think that sort of misses the point?

Lightning Lord posted:

Pee pee doo doo.

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Again, while you're all trying to somehow prove I'm racist or whatever, it'd be nice if you'd offer actual points for discussion. Trump's policy calls for deportations, which is bad; what could or should have Trump done? What policy would you prefer seeing?

8-Bit Scholar posted:

My initial goal was to make the case that hyperbolic criticism of Trump and the dehumanization of his supporters weakened any message opposing him. It seems to me, and still so, that a lot of those who oppose Trump's policies oppose them for superficial reasons or else fail to understand why he got the support he did and was elected at all. It was my hope to suggest that by finding common solutions that could unify people, you might be able to put your political passions towards a meaningful change of course after Trump is out of the White House.

That's where this all began, with me pointing out how absurd it is that some posters here thought huge swathes of the population are literally evil. Now that we've debated immigration a spell, I'd say it's kind of ironic that you're so adamantly in favor of protecting immigrants from being blamed for the nation's problems, yet a lot of you are just shifting that blame onto other perceived unwanted demographics. Don't you think that sort of misses the point?

empty whippet box posted:

I'm not a racist, I just cannot imagine anything trump could have done instead of calling for the deportation of 800,000 people who have committed no crime of any kind whatsoever, who all just happen to be a different color than me, which would have a devastating effect on both our economy and our communities, and would also cost an enormous amount of taxpayer money. I simply cannot imagine any alternative to this. I'm not racist though. Nope, not racist at all. No sir

sudo rm -rf posted:

oh, word?

evilweasel posted:

its actually really amazing how every single trump supporter trying to prove they're not all terrible idiots is magically a terrible idiot

moostaffa posted:

https://twitter.com/axios/status/907003506976067584

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Trump called upon Congress to correct a legally-questionable executive order enacted out of spite by a previous administration; Jeff Sessions is calling for deportation efforts, but Congress has a deadline to pass a more meaningful immigration reform. For some reason, this is a very upsetting circumstance, even though the President you hate so much literally used Twitter to demand Congress "legalize DACA". So, again, if you'd stop trying to see proof of heresy racism in everything I'm saying, we could maybe have an actual conversation.


So then, raising corporate taxes would successfully entice them to remain in country, despite the fact that even with this relatively low corporate tax rate you still see outsourcing going on at increasing volumes?

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Trump called upon Congress to correct a legally-questionable executive order enacted out of spite by a previous administration; Jeff Sessions is calling for deportation efforts, but Congress has a deadline to pass a more meaningful immigration reform. For some reason, this is a very upsetting circumstance, even though the President you hate so much literally used Twitter to demand Congress "legalize DACA". So, again, if you'd stop trying to see proof of heresy racism in everything I'm saying, we could maybe have an actual conversation.


So then, raising corporate taxes would successfully entice them to remain in country, despite the fact that even with this relatively low corporate tax rate you still see outsourcing going on at increasing volumes?

William Contraalto posted:

Immigration policy: legislation to outlaw Republicans forever and deport them to the Moon, bottom of the sea, Mars, etc. Then we open up the borders and have a general liberal-socialist orgy.

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Military spending is atrocious, I agree; but how do you protect labor while also "properly" tax corporations? Are you asking for higher or lower corporate taxes? Bear in mind, corporations claim that they go elsewhere and create jobs in other places because they offer better tax rates than the U.S. does; I'd say it's also because they aren't obligated to follow U.S. labor laws there. What could possibly entice them to return, knowing they'd have to pay more money to do so?

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Trump called upon Congress to correct a legally-questionable executive order enacted out of spite by a previous administration; Jeff Sessions is calling for deportation efforts, but Congress has a deadline to pass a more meaningful immigration reform. For some reason, this is a very upsetting circumstance, even though the President you hate so much literally used Twitter to demand Congress "legalize DACA". So, again, if you'd stop trying to see proof of heresy racism in everything I'm saying, we could maybe have an actual conversation.


So then, raising corporate taxes would successfully entice them to remain in country, despite the fact that even with this relatively low corporate tax rate you still see outsourcing going on at increasing volumes?

Manifest Dynasty posted:

It's also almost magical how every person who strongly supports Trump and his policies "didn't vote for him, just to be clear, don't blame me."

evilweasel posted:

_{how could she not see i'm a brilliant little boy mommy said so}

Paracaidas posted:

....wait, he's another fishmech alt?

Paracaidas posted:

....wait, he's another fishmech alt?

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Trump called upon Congress to correct a legally-questionable executive order enacted out of spite by a previous administration; Jeff Sessions is calling for deportation efforts, but Congress has a deadline to pass a more meaningful immigration reform. For some reason, this is a very upsetting circumstance, even though the President you hate so much literally used Twitter to demand Congress "legalize DACA". So, again, if you'd stop trying to see proof of heresy racism in everything I'm saying, we could maybe have an actual conversation.