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Insurrectionist posted:Siv Jensen has become like some kind of shadow leader or something over here on the northwestern coast, Listhaug is the only FRPer whose statements and appearances and opinions get paraded around everywhere, it's kinda weird. Maybe I'm overestimating the difference in exposure but it's seriously gotten to the point that I temporarily stopped disliking Siv Jensen this past week because I almost forgot she existed at all. I'd love it if this strategy backfired on FRP, but for now an FRP civil-war is only a beautiful dream of far-flung futures. Hasn't that just been normal FrP tactics since last election? Have the ministers run around, saying and doing crazy poo poo to appeal to the party fringe while the leadership tries not to piss of Høyre too much. We saw it with Sandberg and Tybring-Gjedde as well. That said, I can see Listhaug gunning for the party leader at some point. Listhaug is building her base within FrP's voters.
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Sep 11, 2017 10:40
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So, have you all done your democratic duty, fellow citizens?
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Randarkman posted:So, have you all done your democratic duty, fellow citizens? *comrade and yes.
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Randarkman posted:So, have you all done your democratic duty, fellow citizens? Det kan du ta deg faen på! Haven't missed an election since I was old enough to vote (mumble mumble this would be my ninth time, including local elections). Gives one the right to bitch and complain about the results, if nothing else.
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Sep 11, 2017 11:18
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Time to see which lovely party gets to gently caress us over for 4 more years I will say if H can't beat AP and scrounge together the worlds most fragile coalition after this disaster of a campaign Støre has overseen then lol just lol
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Sep 11, 2017 11:19
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The utilitarian in me wonders if a resounding AP loss + a big boost for the actualt leftist parties would be better in the long run than getting FrP+Høyre out of government. Perhaps AP can be reformed.
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Biomute posted:The utilitarian in me wonders if a resounding AP loss + a big boost for the actualt leftist parties would be better in the long run than getting FrP+Høyre out of government. Perhaps AP can be reformed. this exact thing happened in 2001, and stoltenberg built the red-green coalition in response
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Biomute posted:The utilitarian in me wonders if a resounding AP loss + a big boost for the actualt leftist parties would be better in the long run than getting FrP+Høyre out of government. Perhaps AP can be reformed. "Perhaps Labour can be reformed" - naive Brits, turn of the decade "gently caress You Got Mine" - 90% of Labour MPs Not very optimistic things would go better for AP, especially since I doubt there's division in the party anywhere near the size of the one in Labour
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Sep 11, 2017 11:35
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V. Illych L. posted:this exact thing happened in 2001, and stoltenberg built the red-green coalition in response Nice to know. I was not following politics back then, just voted SV as they aligned most with my views at the time (and had a much better leader). Insurrectionist posted:"Perhaps Labour can be reformed" - naive Brits, turn of the decade Yet Corbyn is making actual headway, despite the rest of the party leadership. Voters/Members can make a difference it would seem.
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Sep 11, 2017 11:38
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I mean, yes, we might all be hosed and capitalism will forever find a way to tilt the scales just enough that no real threat to it can ever exist, but maybe there is some hope of achieving some temporary period of social justice before draught and starvation makes the human race devolve into complete anarchy.
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Sep 11, 2017 11:43
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Biomute posted:I mean, yes, we might all be hosed and capitalism will forever find a way to tilt the scales just enough that no real threat to it can ever exist, but maybe there is some hope of achieving some temporary period of social justice before draught and starvation makes the human race devolve into complete anarchy. Someone took their optimism pills this morning! A big + fat failure on the right of some sort would be nice at least.
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Yeah, Corbyn and Labour shows that socdem parties can be reformed, but Corbyn also shows that you have to get incredibly lucky to actually do it. Remember that Corbyn was a total fluke who only got on the ballot and won because of some supreme arrogance and incompetence on the part of the Blarites and other assorted Labour right morons.
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Biomute posted:The utilitarian in me wonders if a resounding AP loss + a big boost for the actualt leftist parties would be better in the long run than getting FrP+Høyre out of government. Perhaps AP can be reformed. Who would lead that reformation though? My Ap leadership knowledge is slim, so I can't think of anyone in the party who has leftist leanings.
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Grimson posted:Who would lead that reformation though? My Ap leadership knowledge is slim, so I can't think of anyone in the party who has leftist leanings. Leaders matter less than you'd think when major strategic decisions are made. Stoltenberg was probably the most right-wing leader labour has ever had, but for his last eight years he was bound by the party to run to the left Støhre got to attempt a strategic reorientation rowards the centre, but with the way that's blown up the next leader's going to be pushed leftwards by the party regardless of personal conviction
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V. Illych L. posted:Leaders matter less than you'd think when major strategic decisions are made. Stoltenberg was probably the most right-wing leader labour has ever had, but for his last eight years he was bound by the party to run to the left I really hope so, but Tajik is not the candidate for that as much as I like her personally. It's looking increasingly likely that AP will never get my vote again so long as they don't even pay lip service to the very real concerns of the left-left. What's at least patently obvious is that APs current strategi is moronic. Honestly, Støre is the most boring, technocratic Høyre-homonculus front man wannabe-Stoltenberg party leader I can think of. If lack of inspiration had a face, it would be his. How do you attract voters with that? And then he goes and makes it worse by practically erasing the perceivable differences between AP and Høyre. I wouldn't be half surprised if he went into government with Høyre at this point. AP-Høyre coalition and who would be able to tell the difference?
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Would the (likely) majority of an AP/Høyre coalition be worse than another full right-wing minority government? They would have more power to force lovely things through but as much as AP are bad they can't exactly be compared to FRP either. Also it would hopefully result in AP bleeding more votes to the left as well which is Cool and Good while pissing off FRP and leaving V/KRF completely irrelevant again which is also Cool and Good. I mean I don't think it's a realistic possibility at all, just considering the theoretical situation.
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tripartism is still strong enough in norway that a grand coalition type affair would be met with massive opposition from both LO and NHO, i'd put literally all my money on it not happening barring a national emergency like war or something besides, both parties need the other as an opponent. the leader has power to guide policy and manouever around their party, but norwegian parties are powerful institutions, and for good and bad they both can and will discipline errant leaders. again, stoltenberg is a good example, as were almost all of solberg's predecessors - halvorsen managed to do an end run around her party congress, but she did that with the help of a very well-placed network of people in leadership positions throughout the party. when støhre tried to go anti-oil, LO came crashing down on him and he was forced to retreat. if hareide had it his way, he would've collapsed the government a long loving time ago, but his members will not stand for a formal alliance with the left really, what seems to be støhre's biggest problem is that he just doesn't Get norwegian politics on a fairly fundamental level. he imagines that he can be president, and he can't. he's alienated huge chunks of his activist base and middle-level party officials, and those are massively important in a way they aren't in e.g. france, which is probably the source of a lot of his misconceptions
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I guess this is it for you Rødt guys though. We'll see if you finally manage to make your way back into parliament (it's been like 25 years since the last brief stint), or if all the members just go ahead and vote "tactically" again. Myself I voted for the dudes with the guns who want to shoot the wovles.
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Randarkman posted:I guess this is it for you Rødt guys though. We'll see if you finally manage to make your way back into parliament (it's been like 25 years since the last brief stint), or if all the members just go ahead and vote "tactically" again. Wolves would pose no threat if people would actually bother to look after their goddamn sheep.
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Sep 11, 2017 15:39
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Avirosb posted:Wolves would pose no threat if people would actually bother to look after their goddamn sheep. I'm not voting for them because of the wolves.
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Sep 11, 2017 15:43
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 I've just been to the polling station. I felt the Bjørn.
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Sep 11, 2017 15:45
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Why would you vote for the agrarian fascists
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Condoleezza Nice! posted:Why would you vote for the agrarian fascists I'm mad about regional and municipal reform. I think that's entirely where they have their polling success in the last 6 months from.
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Randarkman posted:I'm mad about regional and municipal reform. I think that's entirely where they have their polling success in the last 6 months from. That, and their party leader's winning laugh.
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Avirosb posted:Wolves would pose no threat if people would actually bother to look after their goddamn sheep.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Speaking of; how big an impact does the existence of wolves have on Norwegian politics? Will the fact that wolves have now resettled Denmark result in a major political upheaval? Will the right split into people afraid of wolves, and ones that don't live in Jutland? It's mostly just that there is a small debate going on where you have angry farmers in Hedmark and Østfold and other places, mostly bordering Sweden (that's where the wolves come in from) demanding that the government raise the quota on how many wolves they can legally kill, and they are supported in this mostly by Sp (who are very loud about it). Then at the same time you have people in the cities voting SV, V, R and MDG smugly telling them that they understand nothing about nature and they should be happy that wolves are back.
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Just hire some Poles to scare the wolves away. It's the bears you need to look out for.
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Randarkman posted:It's mostly just that there is a small debate going on where you have angry farmers in Hedmark and Østfold and other places, mostly bordering Sweden (that's where the wolves come in from) demanding that the government raise the quota on how many wolves they can legally kill, and they are supported in this mostly by Sp (who are very loud about it). Then at the same time you have people in the cities voting SV, V, R and MDG smugly telling them that they understand nothing about nature and they should be happy that wolves are back.
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Randarkman posted:It's mostly just that there is a small debate going on where you have angry farmers in Hedmark and Østfold and other places, mostly bordering Sweden (that's where the wolves come in from) demanding that the government raise the quota on how many wolves they can legally kill, and they are supported in this mostly by Sp (who are very loud about it). Then at the same time you have people in the cities voting SV, V, R and MDG smugly telling them that they understand nothing about nature and they should be happy that wolves are back. Excuse me I think you'll find this smug R voter telling them they understand nothing about nature lives on the rural coast  But regardless of side, the fact that only a small part of the population actually cares about the issue at all does make it kind of a limited cause to rally around, if effective for its scale in Sp's case
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Sep 11, 2017 16:26
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I live in one of the least densely populated counties in Norway. I will smugly tell you to Let The Wolves Live
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Such an irony when you're called the "center party" and is anti-wolf but the wolves do gently caress all except along the border.
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Avirosb posted:Such an irony when you're called the "center party" and is anti-wolf but the wolves do gently caress all except along the border. That's how you know their politics are effective, the center is free of wolves already
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Wolves are just big dogs. We shouldn't be killing dogs. 
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We're Norwegians, we'll kill any animals we drat well please, and that includes the whales those foreigners are so worried about.
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Heinz Hynkel posted:Voted last week. FRP ofc. Will be back here later tonight and laugh. 
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gently caress, and here I went and voted for SP and everything. First time voter too. The pamphlet they sent* me never mentioned anything about wolf-killing, I had forgotten all about that. Oh well, don't worry, voting was a gruelling exercise, I shan't make a habit of it. *They were the only ones to send me anything.
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Biomute posted:The utilitarian in me wonders if a resounding AP loss + a big boost for the actualt leftist parties would be better in the long run than getting FrP+Høyre out of government. Perhaps AP can be reformed. The problem with that line of thinking is that it fucks over anyone that isn't wealthy, white and male.
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