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The Dave posted:Yes very important our children learn about Apples strategy for forcing people to pay dumb storage markup. A lesson in capitalism
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Kilometers Davis posted:Yeah I haven't felt like the whole "wait until the first S/revision!" thing has been relevant since the launch of the 6. Except the rule is wait for the 2nd generation of a new Apple product. (the last one being the Apple Watch and the 2nd generation was superior to the first in almost every way) I also wouldn't consider the X to be new. It wouldn't surprise me if the internal specs aren't noticeably different from the 8/8+ revision we're also getting.
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Sep 11, 2017 13:46
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Thwomp posted:I also wouldn't consider the X to be new. It wouldn't surprise me if the internal specs aren't noticeably different from the 8/8+ revision we're also getting. I mean the main interaction of the OS (Home button) is gone, there's a lot riding on this swiping dock actually being a good experience. In terms of hardware issues you have the whole new screen technology and apple doing edge to edge for the first time.
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Sep 11, 2017 13:55
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I think I'm willing to give up Touch ID for an oled screen. Despite hating everything about android on a Pixel, that screen ruined me for LCD.
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Sep 11, 2017 13:58
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Thwomp posted:
FaceID is new. TouchID sucked the first year.
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Sep 11, 2017 13:59
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I'm more than willing to wait 12 or 24 months for an edge to edge screen with TouchID embedded.
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Sep 11, 2017 14:01
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xzzy posted:FaceID is new. TouchID sucked the first year. No it didn't. 
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Sep 11, 2017 14:02
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Jealous Cow posted:I think I'm willing to give up Touch ID for an oled screen. Despite hating everything about android on a Pixel, that screen ruined me for LCD. is OLED still a huge battery hog? Sure it looks pretty but wouldn't mind an extra chunk of batery life.
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Sep 11, 2017 14:03
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Endless Mike posted:No it didn't. It was super slow.
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Sep 11, 2017 14:03
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The Dave posted:I mean the main interaction of the OS (Home button) is gone, there's a lot riding on this swiping dock actually being a good experience. In terms of hardware issues you have the whole new screen technology and apple doing edge to edge for the first time. That's all true but that's also how every new design of the iPhone is perceived. It's just a bigger screen with a new-for-Apple technology that's been already been long established in the smartphone industry. The same could've been said for the jump to the 6/6+ screen size ("how will Apple handle a screen that my thumb can't completely reach?" "About as well as everyone else does") The last Apple iPhone design revision that truly had an issue was the iPhone 4. Boris Galerkin posted:It was super slow. My 6 is still trucking long with its original TouchID and it's fine. Granted, the 2nd hardware sensor is super-fast but the first one isn't a slouch. Thwomp fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Sep 11, 2017 |
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Sep 11, 2017 14:04
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The Dave posted:Yes very important our children learn about Apples strategy for forcing people to pay dumb storage markup. It's the kind of lesson you have to experience to truly learn from. Like how you should never ever co-sign something. Boris Galerkin posted:It was super slow. Are you talking about Android? Apple cornered the market on good fingerprint scanners so that first year+ all of the Android versions were significantly worse. But I think the SE still rocks a 1st gen fingerprint sensor and it's fine. Maybe the software behind it has been refined since the 5S came out, but the hardware still owns bones.
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Sep 11, 2017 14:10
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Boris Galerkin posted:It was super slow. Gonna disagree on that one.
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Sep 11, 2017 14:20
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It was super slow compared to what we have now. Maybe it was good for its time but today is today and yesterday was yesterday.
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Sep 11, 2017 14:36
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TouchID will be back in the X-2, the only reason it's gone is their slapfight with Samsung meant they couldn't make enough screens with sensors in them in time.
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Sep 11, 2017 14:42
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Boris Galerkin posted:It was super slow. It's slower than the current version, sure, but it was still faster than typing a PIN.
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Sep 11, 2017 14:43
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I'm out of the loop, is 8 using the same body as the 7 or is it slightly different? I thought the "tradition" was for numbered phones to get a revised body while S revisions only messed with the internals.
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Sep 11, 2017 15:17
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It's supposed to get wireless charging and a glass back, right? Haven't really heard much else ... Also, the 7 was not a new design, so the tradition is already broken.
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Sep 11, 2017 15:20
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The mock-up that’s been posted around shows what we’re probably going to get: All glass all the time
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Sep 11, 2017 15:24
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Finally, a brown phone to go with my Zune.
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Sep 11, 2017 15:25
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:The mock-up that’s been posted around shows what we’re probably going to get: Not sure how I feel about this. I think a small bezel at the top for the speaker and cameras looks infinitely better than having a notch that results in fairly useless screen space.
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Sep 11, 2017 15:29
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That's the X not the 8. The super-duper OLED phone is the new design, but they are also refreshing the 7 and calling it the 8 instead of the 7S, and that's the one we don't know much about.
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Sep 11, 2017 15:31
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Pivo posted:It's supposed to get wireless charging and a glass back, right? Haven't really heard much else ... Wasn't there a report that it might not even be called a 7S? That we're looking at 8, 8+, and X? That would make sense if they're changing the design of the non-X models (glass, wireless charging). It might be enough to justify it as a new generation rather than a 6SSS. Maybe Apple rides out the 8 and the X for two cycles and then the iPhone 9 marks no bezel/home button designs across the board. bezelless iPhone SE for the win Sock The Great posted:Not sure how I feel about this. I think a small bezel at the top for the speaker and cameras looks infinitely better than having a notch that results in fairly useless screen space. It's not useless if you have time and carrier info up there.
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Sep 11, 2017 15:32
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Krispy Kareem posted:Wasn't there a report that it might not even be called a 7S? That we're looking at 8, 8+, and X? Yeah that was my point. Dude asked is 8 gonna be a new design, I said well the 7 wasn't a new design ... We know the X is all new, but god knows what they're gonna do to the not-supply-constrained not-$1000 one.
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Sep 11, 2017 15:34
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Sock The Great posted:Not sure how I feel about this. I think a small bezel at the top for the speaker and cameras looks infinitely better than having a notch that results in fairly useless screen space. The aspect ratio is a bit wider than they've been using up to now, so while it's fairly useless, it doesn't lead to less usable space, if that makes sense.
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Sep 11, 2017 15:34
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It's an OLED display so it can be invisible if it wants to be, like for full screen content, which is a good solution IMO. If it wasn't OLED it would be annoying Also unlike the mockup I don't think there's a chance in hell Apple will ship it with a white face, it's like Apple Watch, the point of bezel-less OLED is not to highlight the tiny bezel that remains
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Sep 11, 2017 15:39
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Pivo posted:Yeah that was my point. Dude asked is 8 gonna be a new design, I said well the 7 wasn't a new design ... We know the X is all new, but god knows what they're gonna do to the not-supply-constrained not-$1000 one. Oh poo poo, didn’t pick up on that. Rumors call for the new lower end model will be the same form factor as the 7 but with a glass back (for wireless charging) and no 3D camera systems so no face recognition for them (they get the home button / Touch ID)
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Sep 11, 2017 15:41
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Pivo posted:It's an OLED display so it can be invisible if it wants to be, like for full screen content, which is a good solution IMO. If it wasn't OLED it would be annoying Maybe that's what is bothering me about that picture. Having the face be white makes it look more...choppy? Not sure what word I am thinking of here.
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Sep 11, 2017 15:41
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The rumors are saying they will only have a black front. Which is cool because it means I might actually be able to get a phone in a color other than gray or black.
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Sep 11, 2017 15:45
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I don't discount the possibility of the 8 and 8 Plus having a new design. There were a lot of rumors that the X would have the fingerprint scanner on the back, even as recently as a month or two ago. It's possible it was a late engineering sample that the company was considering, but there's a chance it was always the low-cost 8 series and not the fancy OLED model. I don't think it's likely, but...Pivo posted:Also unlike the mockup I don't think there's a chance in hell Apple will ship it with a white face, it's like Apple Watch, the point of bezel-less OLED is not to highlight the tiny bezel that remains There have been some reports that what you're saying here is exactly correct. The black bezel just looks better.
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Sep 11, 2017 15:45
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Sock The Great posted:Maybe that's what is bothering me about that picture. Having the face be white makes it look more...choppy? Not sure what word I am thinking of here. The white face looks off. Like some 1970's idea of a futuristic handheld computer. Maybe it's the rounded edges, which other manufacturers seem to be moving away from. I like it myself. Even though the S8 has rounded edges, it looks edgier.
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Sep 11, 2017 15:47
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Pivo posted:It's supposed to get wireless charging and a glass back, right? Haven't really heard much else ... In any case, I'm hoping the 8 ditches round edges at least. I've got an SE but my wife has a 6S+, and the thing always feels like a drat bar of soap to me. Trying to figure out if wireless charging is a big deal to me; I assume it works by plugging in some type of pad? Could be nice to have that on my work desk I guess, but I'm not sure how many other spots I'd be okay with reserving such a footprint for.
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Sep 11, 2017 16:05
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What's the status with wireless charging in combination with cases? I really love my Apple leather case on my 6S and would like to buy a new one for my 8+. I very much doubt that Apple would hamstring their high margin case business.
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Sep 11, 2017 16:09
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Sock The Great posted:What's the status with wireless charging in combination with cases? I really love my Apple leather case on my 6S and would like to buy a new one for my 8+. Cases work fine with wireless charging. The bigger question is whether Apple is using the wireless charging standard or just moving us from proprietary lightning cables to proprietary charging pads.
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Sep 11, 2017 16:11
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Krispy Kareem posted:The bigger question is whether Apple is using the wireless charging standard or just moving us from proprietary lightning cables to proprietary charging pads.
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Sep 11, 2017 16:16
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:What does your heart tell you? It's going to be very pretty and very white and connected to a $30 dongle.
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Sep 11, 2017 16:17
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Krispy Kareem posted:Cases work fine with wireless charging. Unless they are made of metal, but cases that block wireless charging / NFC for a phone that has those features, usually make it pretty clear that they do ... The power drops off with the inverse square of the distance so you lose efficiency adding thickness... I sorta agree, I can see it useful at work, but I dunno, do you guys run out of battery at work often? I go home at 5pm with my 6S still at 60-70%.
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Sep 11, 2017 16:20
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:What does your heart tell you? Whatever it is, I'll buy it, and so will everyone itt
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Sep 11, 2017 16:20
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Krispy Kareem posted:The bigger question is whether Apple is using the wireless charging standard or just moving us from proprietary lightning cables to proprietary charging pads. EDIT: upon second reading I don't think you said what I thought you were saying
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Sep 11, 2017 16:21
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You can only charge it by laying it on an AirPod case.
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Theophany posted:I don't think it's as much of an issue as it used to be with the earlier iPhones tbh. I'm on a 6 plus and didn't see any real reason to upgrade to the 6S or 7. My main reasoning for an upgrade now is purely because dealing with low storage space warnings every day is enough of an irritant to make it a worthwhile spend. I mean you could argue that because the X is a whole new form factor, there are more likely to be 1st gen issues, but even they seem to be less of a deal-breaker now. The signal attenuation from the iPhone 4 was a serious issue but #bendgate on the 6 plus was idiots thinking that sitting on their phone was somehow normal. The 6 plus (and to a much lesser extent the 6) do have their touch disease issue, which is tied into the frames bending and flexing. They seem to have entirely fixed that in the 6S/6S+ and later, since I rarely see those bent and haven't once run into an unfixable touch issue that wasn't water related. But bent ones are still pretty common if you're the type who breaks screens. Other than that, the 6/6+ are just fine.
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