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kayakyakr posted:Kliff is more of a Mike Leach, Dana Holgerson, or Bill Belichick disciple than Kevin Sumlin. I mean, I guess he followed Sumlin from UH to A&M, but that's giving Sumlin a bit much credit. If they had done it that way, Leach and Holgerson would be on the Hal Mumme coaching tree (and if Dykes was still at Cal, so would he). Though their styles are far from it, Kirby Smart and Will Muschamp would be grandchildren of that tree as they were on a single staff under Chris Hatcher.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:If they had done it that way, Leach and Holgerson would be on the Hal Mumme coaching tree (and if Dykes was still at Cal, so would he). Though their styles are far from it, Kirby Smart and Will Muschamp would be grandchildren of that tree as they were on a single staff under Chris Hatcher. Leach and Franklin are both definitely Mumme guys. And I'm much more of a philosophical tree guy than a "where they got their start" guy. Do Smart and Muschamp take their coaching philosophies from Hatcher? Doubt it.
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Grittybeard posted:Yeah it's just doing things conveniently to make a pretty chart. Which as long as you don't look at it as the last word can at least be somewhat interesting. Yeah I was expecting to see Barry to Gary (or Larry Smith  ) with he and Saban connected up to Don James
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lol at giving Kirk credit for grooming guys who worked for him during his awful 3 year stint at Maine and then got a head coaching job like 20 years later.
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Aug 6, 2017 23:39
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So Kevin Sumlin, huh
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Benne posted:So Kevin Sumlin, huh His own dumb fault for not realizing opponents can make halftime adjustments and he should respond in turn.
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Sep 4, 2017 04:37
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Yeah, we were sitting there at half saying, "well, I guess there's not going to be a coach fired this month" I think we were wrong.
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Sep 4, 2017 04:40
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Kevin Sumlin's job is extremely over.
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I don't want to admit that 8-4 isn't good enough because i feel like I'm living an 8-4 life. If I concede that Sumlin is a loser, I'm somehow conceding that I'm a loser.
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Sep 4, 2017 15:08
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Dead Man Walking.
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Sep 4, 2017 15:09
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He's not going to be fired mid season
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Sep 4, 2017 15:11
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General Dog posted:He's not going to be fired mid season famous last words
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:famous last words truer words never spoken
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Mizzou fires their DC DeMontie Cross: https://twitter.com/Dave_Matter/status/907005914850512896
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General Dog posted:He's not going to be fired mid season Update- he's likely to be fired mid season (possibly as early as September 30 after the South Carolina game) Chad Morris seems to be an overwhelming favorite for the job. He honestly seems to check all the boxes of what you'd look for: has some personality, spread guru, lots of Texas high school connections(he coached HS for 16 years). That profile is pretty similar to you-know-who up in Waco (except for the personality part). Chip Kelly is a pipe dream. I'm willing to bet he never returns to college football, and if he does it's going to be to the Pac-12. General Dog fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Sep 12, 2017 |
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Sep 12, 2017 15:48
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KKKLIP ART posted:Mizzou fires their DC DeMontie Cross: Missed this post but mentioned it in the aftermath thread. Weird timing because it looks like they're scapegoating him for a game where the D actually did a respectable job. But he's been a disaster from day one so everyone is glad he's gone, I can't believe he wasn't quietly let go during the off season.
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General Dog posted:Update- he's likely to be fired mid season (possibly as early as September 30 after the South Carolina game) What has Morris done at SMU that makes you think he'd be any better than Sumlin?
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Neil Armbong posted:What has Morris done at SMU that makes you think he'd be any better than Sumlin? Nothing, I don't think he'll be much better than Sumlin on the balance, clearly something ails this program that goes beyond coaching. That said, Sumlin being gone is a fait accompli at this point, so I'm just looking at who the least disastrous options are going forward. As far as his tenure at SMU, he's taken a program that was in pretty bad shape when he found it and shown linear improvement over three years. Yeah, a lot of his appeal stems from his time at Clemson and his high school career, but what he's done at SMU certainly hasn't taken any of the shine off of him as far as I'm concerned. General Dog fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Sep 12, 2017 |
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Sep 12, 2017 16:02
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Sumlin's ceiling appears to be 8-9 wins unless he has a Johnny Manziel under center again, but those 8-9 wins are gonna come with a lot of heart attacks, usually be stacked early in the year, and not be against the big names in the SEC west (unless, again, he has a Manziel) so I'm willing to take a shot at someone else.
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To be entirely frank, 9 wins seems like A&M's ceiling, not just Sumlin's
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I think we're to the point that Sumlin and A&M could each use a fresh start.
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June Jones did better than Morris has, so I'm not sold he's worth a flyer as a hc. Also, yeah, 9 - 10 wins is about what A&M should expect looking at historic performance.
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Neil Armbong posted:Also, yeah, 9 - 10 wins is about what A&M should expect looking at historic performance. After looking at sports reference, this in a good season. RC Slocum did go 12-1 one year though!
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Neil Armbong posted:June Jones did better than Morris has, so I'm not sold he's worth a flyer as a hc. Also, yeah, 9 - 10 wins is about what A&M should expect looking at historic performance. Granted, the program was abysmal when he started- worse than it was when Chad Morris took over- but June Jones never went better than 8-5 in 7 seasons, and the majority of that was in C-USA. Yeah, Morris isn't a proven commodity, but anybody who is a proven commodity is locked up. It's not like we're going to go out and get Dan Mullen or Gary Patterson or something.
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Grittybeard posted:After looking at sports reference, this in a good season. Jackie Sherrill though early RC (mid 80s to mid 90s) is definitely the apex of the program (post-integration).
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General Dog posted:Granted, the program was abysmal when he started- worse than it was when Chad Morris took over- but June Jones never went better than 8-5 in 7 seasons, and the majority of that was in C-USA. Yeah, Morris isn't a proven commodity, but anybody who is a proven commodity is locked up. It's not like we're going to go out and get Dan Mullen or Gary Patterson or something. Jeff Bhrom y'all A&M fans have a massively inflated sense of where they want the program to be vs what they have actually won (not much)
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General Dog posted:Granted, the program was abysmal when he started- worse than it was when Chad Morris took over- but June Jones never went better than 8-5 in 7 seasons, and the majority of that was in C-USA. Yeah, Morris isn't a proven commodity, but anybody who is a proven commodity is locked up. It's not like we're going to go out and get Dan Mullen or Gary Patterson or something. That's way better than any Morris season to date and there is a ton of overlap between that version of CUSA and the current AAC There are plenty of coaches with better mid major resumes than Morris has so far assuming you're willing to look beyond TEXAS HIGH SCHOOL TIES MourningView fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Sep 12, 2017 |
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Jeff Bhrom y'all I think something like Georgia under Mark Richt is a reasonable ceiling for A&M (9-10 wins more than half of the time with a high floor), and as someone who's been a Sumlin apologist for quite a while, I think I've finally seen enough to conclude that we're just not quite getting there with him. His run is very respectable within the context of the program's history, but for whatever reason, he reliably loses control of the team for multiple game stretches. It's a symptom that's getting worse every year, and it's not something that can be fixed with a good recruiting class, or a new coordinator, or a new conditioning coach. For everything that he brings to the table, it seems he's not a good leader, and there's no fix for that.
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I've enjoyed watching the years long drama over Kevin Sumlin unfold from first hiring to now everyone begging for him to get fired mid-season.
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I don't want him to be fired mid-season because it never accomplishes anything beyond the hastening the dismantling of your recruiting class and embarrassment for all involved parties. The program always says "now we can get a head start on the coaching search and be on the radar for all the top candidates," and then after all that they end up with Herm Edwards or something.
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General Dog posted:and then after all that they end up with Herm Edwards or something. You say this as if it would be a bad thing.
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But then at the same time aggy nation is going nuts about the false flag letter.
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Grittybeard posted:You say this as if it would be a bad thing. There's a billboard near my old house that used to have Herm Edwards on it talking about the benefits of adoption or something. All I could ever think of was herm in front of fountain.gif.
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Mr. Nice! posted:There's a billboard near my old house that used to have Herm Edwards on it talking about the benefits of adoption or something. All I could ever think of was herm in front of fountain.gif. That was Tony Dungy wasn't it? Either way- I get them confused, too.
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General Dog posted:...and then after all that they end up with Herm Edwards or something. What's wrong with playing to win?
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General Dog posted:I don't want him to be fired mid-season because it never accomplishes anything beyond the hastening the dismantling of your recruiting class and embarrassment for all involved parties. The program always says "now we can get a head start on the coaching search and be on the radar for all the top candidates," and then after all that they end up with Herm Edwards or something. Herm Edwards would kill recruiting and he was a legit good coach until his KC teams got real old real fast
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E: i'm dumb, wrong thread
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Herm Edwards would kill recruiting and he was a legit good coach until his KC teams got real old real fast I...disagree. Then again I'm a KC fan. But I still want nothing more than I want to see Herm Edwards coaching in college.
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He's gotta be old now and he'd be ungodly awful at modern college Xs and Os but I assume he would be a big hit in living rooms. That dude says nothing but absolute nonsense but when he's done talking I definitely feel like I want to go tackle whatever he wants me to tackle
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Not sure how I'd feel about my own team taking a flyer on him, but I kind of think Rex Ryan might kill it as a college coach.
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