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canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

ConfusedUs posted:

I am not a rebel player; what the hell is a good ship to pair with her for ~41 points? You can't get the best Poe, Nym, or Miranda for that.

Comedy option: R4-D6 Biggs + Rex. Tell me *that* woudldn't be obnoxious as gently caress.

That's an awkward spot.
There's a good Norra in there. R2-D2, PTL, Kyle, and vectored thrusters if you want it.
Attack Shuttle Rage TLT Ezra fits there too, with an awkward 13 points remaining

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Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"
41 points?

Norra Wexley (29)
Push the Limit (3)
Kyle Katarn (3)
BB-8 (2)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Alliance Overhaul (0)

Total: 41

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





Nora has promise. She also fulfills the role of big gun that isn't easy to kill.

She's also got better end-game chances than the rebel, if Rey somehow died early.

I'll test it out.

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"
The BB-8/Kyle/EU build is slippery as hell too.

enigmahfc
Oct 10, 2003

EFF TEE DUB!!
EFF TEE DUB!!

Some Numbers posted:

The BB-8/Kyle/EU build is slippery as hell too.

The PTL/EU/R2D2/Nien Numb is still 41 points and has some good staying power as well.

Or drop PTL and put Expertise on for 1 point more and hit like a loving tank.

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

enigmahfc posted:

The PTL/EU/R2D2/Nien Numb is still 41 points and has some good staying power as well.

Or drop PTL and put Expertise on for 1 point more and hit like a loving tank.

True, but pre-maneuver barrel rolling and boosting makes it much harder to predict where the ARC's going to be, which makes it much harder to block.

And you still get a Focus and another Action.

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
I'd play a BB-8 intensity ps9 poe and see how that works. Or maybe an R2D2 intensity ps8 poe.

enigmahfc
Oct 10, 2003

EFF TEE DUB!!
EFF TEE DUB!!

Some Numbers posted:

True, but pre-maneuver barrel rolling and boosting makes it much harder to predict where the ARC's going to be, which makes it much harder to block.

And you still get a Focus and another Action.

Yeah, I pretty much always prefer the more dodgy of the two, I just thought i'd point out the options since some people would rather have the regen. Same thing with Poe

lazerus06
May 19, 2004
I am not a good player and did pretty well with this combo the couple of times I used it:

Dash:
EU
Title
PTL
HLC
Kanan

Norra:
EU
Title
PTL
Nien Numb
R2-D2

canyonero
Aug 3, 2006
It really feels like Dash is a strong answer to Nym, and an OK answer to RAClo. I'm still not sure what to do with the 42-48 points. Norra's probably the top candidate, but I'm tired of 1 agility rebels. Probably plot armor Poe?

Dash Rendar (36)
Lone Wolf (2)
Heavy Laser Cannon (7)
Rey (2)
EMP Device (2)
Smuggling Compartment (0)
Countermeasures (3)
Outrider (5)

Poe Dameron (PS9) (33)
Intensity (2)
R2-D2 (4)
Comm Relay (3)
Integrated Astromech (0)
Black One (1)

Total: 100

View in Yet Another Squad Builder


Lots to change up. BB8 instead of R2D2. The illicit and mod on Dash could easily be Engine and change his EPT to Push the Limit. I like EMP Device though for discouraging people from getting in his donut.

lazerus06
May 19, 2004

canyonero posted:

It really feels like Dash is a strong answer to Nym, and an OK answer to RAClo. I'm still not sure what to do with the 42-48 points. Norra's probably the top candidate, but I'm tired of 1 agility rebels. Probably plot armor Poe?

Dash Rendar (36)
Lone Wolf (2)
Heavy Laser Cannon (7)
Rey (2)
EMP Device (2)
Smuggling Compartment (0)
Countermeasures (3)
Outrider (5)

Poe Dameron (PS9) (33)
Intensity (2)
R2-D2 (4)
Comm Relay (3)
Integrated Astromech (0)
Black One (1)

Total: 100

View in Yet Another Squad Builder


Lots to change up. BB8 instead of R2D2. The illicit and mod on Dash could easily be Engine and change his EPT to Push the Limit. I like EMP Device though for discouraging people from getting in his donut.

I would try to get autothrusters on Poe, making him even tankier.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
Netrunner's getting a revised core set with the meta-bending cards swapped out, here's hoping for X-Wing!

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





lazerus06 posted:

I would try to get autothrusters on Poe, making him even tankier.

Yeah. Just drop EMP device from Dash entirely in favor of Autothrusters on Poe.

Cobaltshift
Jul 15, 2013

This is the Norra build I used to win my SC:

Norra Wexley (29)
Push the Limit (3)
Tactician (2)
R2-D2 (4)
Vectored Thrusters (2)
Alliance Overhaul (0)

Total: 40

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

I find you can drop her in most lists and make that list's chances of survival much better.

Funzo
Dec 6, 2002



I'd like to start playing competitively, but still have a fun list. I'm looking at mostly just store events and stuff like that. Any thoughts on this list?

Omega Leader w/ Comm Relay, Juke
The Inquisitor w/ PTL, Cruise MIssles, TIE/v1
Whisper w/ Rebel Captive, Fire-Control System, Veteran Instincts, Advanced Cloaking Device

I'm only using stuff I've actually got cards for, which is a little limiting, but I've got a least one copy of most stuff at this point.

Chemmy
Feb 4, 2001

I think you want autothrusters on Inq.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





Funzo posted:

I'd like to start playing competitively, but still have a fun list. I'm looking at mostly just store events and stuff like that. Any thoughts on this list?

Omega Leader w/ Comm Relay, Juke
The Inquisitor w/ PTL, Cruise MIssles, TIE/v1
Whisper w/ Rebel Captive, Fire-Control System, Veteran Instincts, Advanced Cloaking Device

I'm only using stuff I've actually got cards for, which is a little limiting, but I've got a least one copy of most stuff at this point.

Autothrusters is basically an auto-include for Inquisitor. He wants to always be at range 3. Proxy or borrow the card.

Proton Rockets are probably better than Cruise Missiles on Inquisitor, because, again, he wants to stay at range 3. Prockets are a huge deterrent to people trying to get into his face. They can let him hang out at long range where he's strongest...or get hosed up by Prockets.

I'd rather have Autothrusters than either missile on Inquisitor.

Omega Leader is perfect, and Whisper is pretty good. Only the crew is up for debate there, but Rebel Captive isn't a bad choice.

Possible alternatives to Rebel Captive include Recon Specialist, Agent Kallus, Gunner (if you can find the points) and Intelligence Agent. An Intel agent would free up the points you need for Autothrusters on Inquisitor and you can still keep the missile. :)

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

ConfusedUs posted:

Or do four of them, plus Ahsoka in the captured TIE with operations specialist, and have something almost good.

Ahsoka with Ops Specialist is 21 points, so that wouldn't work with 4 SnapCrack A-Wings, I don't think?

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





Some Numbers posted:

Ahsoka with Ops Specialist is 21 points, so that wouldn't work with 4 SnapCrack A-Wings, I don't think?

You're right. It may have been Rex. Still, one Ops Spec in that list generates a shitload of focuses for the rest

Funzo
Dec 6, 2002



ConfusedUs posted:

Autothrusters is basically an auto-include for Inquisitor. He wants to always be at range 3. Proxy or borrow the card.

Proton Rockets are probably better than Cruise Missiles on Inquisitor, because, again, he wants to stay at range 3. Prockets are a huge deterrent to people trying to get into his face. They can let him hang out at long range where he's strongest...or get hosed up by Prockets.

I'd rather have Autothrusters than either missile on Inquisitor.

Omega Leader is perfect, and Whisper is pretty good. Only the crew is up for debate there, but Rebel Captive isn't a bad choice.

Possible alternatives to Rebel Captive include Recon Specialist, Agent Kallus, Gunner (if you can find the points) and Intelligence Agent. An Intel agent would free up the points you need for Autothrusters on Inquisitor and you can still keep the missile. :)

Awesome, thanks. I'll get rid of the missile and put in Autothrusters. My oldest is learning to fly Scum, so I guess I can always get a Starviper and borrow the card.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Cobaltshift posted:

This is the Norra build I used to win my SC:

Norra Wexley (29)
Push the Limit (3)
Tactician (2)
R2-D2 (4)
Vectored Thrusters (2)
Alliance Overhaul (0)

Total: 40

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

I find you can drop her in most lists and make that list's chances of survival much better.

I suck, so what about this works so well?

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

I suck, so what about this works so well?

The best Norra turn is with a focus and target lock so you can use her ability to add a hit on offense, which PTL lets you do.
Tactician is there because R2 out of either arc covers a wide area.
R2-D2 is for regen, very nice on a 1 agility ship
And the barrel roll is there to get some arc dodging vs. lower PS stuff (of which there's a lot right now)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op-9c4EvELY

Norra hits like a truck when she gets going.

edit:
Here's a better Norra video of Norra doing Norra stuff. The guy subs in Expertise to get that focus on offense every time and adds C-3PO for extra defense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJJomkDYaW0

canyoneer fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Sep 13, 2017

Admiral Joeslop
Jul 8, 2010




Has anyone tried out an Arc Caster on Dash?

Edit: Nevermind, I forgot they were Range 1.

Cobaltshift
Jul 15, 2013

canyoneer posted:

The best Norra turn is with a focus and target lock so you can use her ability to add a hit on offense, which PTL lets you do.
Tactician is there because R2 out of either arc covers a wide area.
R2-D2 is for regen, very nice on a 1 agility ship
And the barrel roll is there to get some arc dodging vs. lower PS stuff (of which there's a lot right now)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op-9c4EvELY

Norra hits like a truck when she gets going.

edit:
Here's a better Norra video of Norra doing Norra stuff. The guy subs in Expertise to get that focus on offense every time and adds C-3PO for extra defense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJJomkDYaW0

This nails it on the head. I like the PTL for the rare chance that I might want to use her ability on defense, and don't mind receiving the stress since I'll often regen with R2, and her dial really isn't bad. The barrel roll is really handy to keep things in arc one way or another, or scoot out of the way of an asteroid in your path the following round if you got greedy.

E: I've been toying around with using C-3P0 since I got it, seems like it would be even more tanky, but I generally like flexible lists and dishing out stress is always good.

Cobaltshift fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Sep 13, 2017

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
I played against a dude who had PTL Norra with Ezra crew, and it was surprisingly good. Guy stuck a bunch of crits on me because I had low agility ships.

Also, Netrunner's rotation cycle starts October 1st with a new core set to support it. I would really like to see a rotation cycle for X Wing now, it would be nice to shake up the meta in ways besides power creeping up ships endlessly

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





I've been advocating a rotation for what feels like years now.

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


UK Nats this weekend. Still going for dual caster inaldra. So much tank, so much damage, so much control, it's pretty nuts. Went against an (almost) paratani and manage to hold on even after losing Inaldra. List got legs. Wish me luck!

Ringo Star Get
Sep 18, 2006

JUST FUCKING TAKE OFF ALREADY, SHIT
I'm assuming a rotation cycle are cards and ships not allowed for tournament play?

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





Correct. Some cards and upgrades will no longer be legal.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
I'm personally not a fan of the idea, but :shrug:

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




What would they even rotate? Early heavyweight cards like Predator, PTL, r2d2 ect are barely used for new stuff like expertise, mindlink, miranda.

If youre hoping for a rotation system to fix adslam, bombs, tlt...youre in for a seriously long wait even after they decide to do it.

Ringo Star Get
Sep 18, 2006

JUST FUCKING TAKE OFF ALREADY, SHIT
I feel like that would make it hard to keep bringing in new players, having to track what's legal and not. Then again I can see the game stores managing that sort of incoming new players.

How do you figure what's allowed and what's not, anyway?

canyonero
Aug 3, 2006

Tekopo posted:

UK Nats this weekend. Still going for dual caster inaldra. So much tank, so much damage, so much control, it's pretty nuts. Went against an (almost) paratani and manage to hold on even after losing Inaldra. List got legs. Wish me luck!

What do you put on Asajj and Ketsu? Latts and Dengar leaves you with 4 more points. Title on Ketsu?

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


canyonero posted:

What do you put on Asajj and Ketsu? Latts and Dengar leaves you with 4 more points. Title on Ketsu?
Title and either Inter Damps/Rigged Cargo Chute. I almost never use the latter, but you don't really need an initiative bid.

EDIT: Title is critical because it lets you hit some mean 1-2 punch setups.

Devlan Mud
Apr 10, 2006




I'll hear your stories when we come back, alright?
The idea of rotation fixing xwing at this point is hilarious because the only thing from like, the first two years of releases that needs to rotate out is Biggs, everything else is practically dead in the meta currently.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

Devlan Mud posted:

The idea of rotation fixing xwing at this point is hilarious because the only thing from like, the first two years of releases that needs to rotate out is Biggs, everything else is practically dead in the meta currently.

You're not wrong, but I think the idea is that if there's rotation built in, designers don't have to balance new stuff against such a large pool and can get more targeted in the stuff they're building.

Think about how the astromech space is so limited by having Biggs in the pool. Or on the other hand, how design space on new astromech bearing ships is limited by having shield regen from R2-D2 or R5-P9.

Devlan Mud
Apr 10, 2006




I'll hear your stories when we come back, alright?
Yeah I like the idea of rotation in a vacuum but it'd require a ground-up X-Wing 2.0 to be designed and I don't see that happening (but would like to be surprised).

hoiyes
May 17, 2007
Rotate out Biggs, every pilot above ps6, vi and adaptability.

Fight me.

Devlan Mud
Apr 10, 2006




I'll hear your stories when we come back, alright?

hoiyes posted:

Rotate out Biggs, every pilot above ps6, vi and adaptability.

Fight me.

With three Shadow Squadron Pilots, sure :smug:

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hoiyes
May 17, 2007

Devlan Mud posted:

With three Shadow Squadron Pilots, sure :smug:

Above 6, not 6 and above. Say hi to snap wexley.

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