Willa Rogers posted:

gdi, that's like every context-free dem/gop bad talking point against single-payer, from WHAT ABOUT TAXES to MAGIC WANDS to VERMONT DIDN'T GET IT LOL.

Al! posted:

how are they suppose dto raise the money? payroll taxes? gas taxes? sin taxes?????? sales taxes?????? raising taxes on small businesses?????? there are literally no other ways to raise money

Willa Rogers posted:

and that's leaving aside how the vast majority of americans would be better off under a modest & static payroll tax vs. ever-increasing premiums + deductibles + co-pays.

funny how "defense" money is never an issue.

Heaps of Sheeps posted:

I didn't think it was possible to be more disgusted by Hillary Clinton that I have been since her 2007-8 smear campaign against Obama, but I guess she's finally found something she excels at because by golly she's managed to make me despise her more than I ever imagined possible.

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

thomas frank is required reading, and he just reviewed what happened. good poo poo:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/12/hillary-clintons-book-what-happened-clear-message

Oh Snapple! posted:

Speaking of, one thing I've never understood is how folks who seem to hold Obama in reverence just...ignore '08. "Disgusting" is not actually a strong enough adjective to describe her campaign behavior toward Obama. It was a vicious loving primary that made '16 look like a pillowfight. And yet it seems like more than a few of these folks just cannot stop being boosters for Hillary on literally anything. It's loving -inducing.

And the thing is, they'll ignore her poo poo-slinging toward him in this book, too.

Willa Rogers posted:

Al! posted:

lol that they have seemingly completely forgotten the concept of income taxes

Lastgirl posted:

i think i kind of get a vague idea of why bill would be lying on the floor if he had to be in hillary's proximity

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

thomas frank is required reading, and he just reviewed what happened. good poo poo:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/12/hillary-clintons-book-what-happened-clear-message

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

single party states are trash and they amplify the shittiness of the dominate party.

Lastgirl posted:

probably because their donors clear their throat sternly if they entertain the idea of taxing the rich, you know where all the money went

like there's only so much you can work with with what they gave you, and thats very little

its just not possible, just look how the GOP is floundering on it too especially with ACA repeal. They're not even saving money doing it too.

Oh Snapple! posted:

What Did Happen?
An Analysis of What Happened

MaxxBot posted:

CA Dems are definitely worthless shitheads though for caving in to the prison guard union time after time, they have no good excuse.

MaxxBot posted:

CA Dems are definitely worthless shitheads though for caving in to the prison guard union time after time, they have no good excuse.

MaxxBot posted:

Caught red handed! White, under 30, weed, but who has the trust fund?

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Anyway, the real reason liberals are so quick to dismiss rural voters as worthy of concern has nothing to do with race, but because they're simply incapable of even conceiving or realizing social programs that would revitalize rural America and make life sustainable for its poorest people. The only forces liberals understand are market forces, which is why they're always talking about ways to forcefully migrate people from the countryside into cities - despite the fact that it's the very rich white people moving back into urban environments that are gentrifying them and making the cities unlivable for the people of color that Democrats pretend are their natural constituency.

punk rebel ecks posted:

Starts at 18:15:

"I don't know what the particular's are. If you remember during the campaign, he (Bernie Sanders) introduced a single payer bill every year in congress. And when somebody finally read it and asked him questions, he couldn't explain it. He couldn't tell people how much it was going to cost. So I haven't seen whatever it is what they are going to be using and signing onto, so I don't know. I'm for universal healthcare coverage that is high quality and affordable, fairly American. And I think there is a lot of ways to get there, to open up Medicare, to open up Medicaid, to control prices on prescription drugs. And I think with this bill they will have a lot of problems. For one I don't think they've taken into account of the enormous tax increases it will take to pay for single payer. And if you are really telling people "half of the country", that they can no longer have their policies they have with their employers... I've been down this road when I worked with people in '94, if I had a magic wand...I would do something like Single Payer, like something they have in Europe. But there are a lot of powerful forces such as people's fears and their appreciation for what they already have. When the bill comes out I will read it but if there is no...grandfathering in, you know some cost estimates, I mean...look at what happened in Vermont. Democratic Party was for single payer, they were trying to achieve it. A small state. They were talking about a payroll tax of moving to 11.5%. There are challenges. So I'm for universal healthcare bar none."

Uncle Wemus posted:

Dammit Franken make up your mind so I can either mail you this box of roadkill or not

Jazerus posted:

taft-hartley killed the dem relationship with the working class by removing all of the tools that unions could use to influence politics and making them less important to consider in political decisions as a result, it just took decades for the engineered rotting of american labor to fully set in

this allowed conservatism to run wild among working class & middle class whites without the counterbalancing left influence that the unions had provided

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

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