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The best part about the Kurt Eichenwald tentacle porn saga is that the porn comic in question had no tentacles
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R. Guyovich posted:*doing the troll face* we already elected one He's not a Muslim just because he doesn't drink.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Wtf why did it take five There comes a time in everyone's career of child molestation where you just have to say 'OK guys, you got me!' JFC I know this is D&D but the only response is- 
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gently caress this garbage country: https://twitter.com/htTweets/status/907421003768311809 Kudos to Rep Yoder, who had the basic human decency to stop ICE from accomplishing the explicit goal of her husband's murderer.... by getting her a year-long reprieve. This evidently drained his reservoirs because he voted against Irma/Harvey aid.
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dwarf74 posted:So how would Fox News approach this one anyway?
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Looking up info about the Oklahoma special election a clickbait headline caught me, and I couldn't stop myself.quote:NASHVILLE, Tenn. — A Nashville woman is accused of shooting a homeless man who asked her to move her Porsche SUV. That's the most American thing I've read all year. 
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Sep 13, 2017 02:35
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https://twitter.com/PoliticsWolf/status/907776928513323008
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Rod Blagojevich is giving interviews from prison for some reason. Still just as clueless and hilarious as he was before.quote:Extreme heat, drenched in sweat, with no air movement, scores of angry men, snoring and other bad, unpleasant sounds—I remember moaning to myself, ‘How the “f” did I end up here? What happened? quote:He said his time behind bars “has put me closer to God.” quote:His lawyers argued that his stint as the singer of the Jailhouse Rockers was evidence of his changed character. The band had a 21-song setlist, according to the AP, and broke up because the guitarist was released. quote:“When I first came to prison, there was a notoriety to me,” Blagojevich says. His soon-to-be fellow inmates watched his arrival live on CNN. In the cash-free economy of prison, Blagojevich’s celebrity was currency. During his first few weeks, his ID card kept getting stolen. “They thought they could sell ’em for something, but it was loving worthless.” Blagojevich says. quote:A reporter asked him to describe his experience in federal prison. "There’s lots of room for shenanigans,” he says. quote:My jurisdiction was once all of the State of Illinois. Now I’ve got two hallways to clean,” he says. “I feel like I was a very good governor, and now I feel like I’m doing a pretty good job on those floors.” He recalls that his first job, at age 9, was as a shoeshine boy. “I was making more money then than I’m making as a 60-year-old former governor with a college degree and a law degree. Does that make any sense?" quote:In one of our phone calls, Blagojevich tells me how a correctional officer had chewed him out a few days earlier in the prison gym: “I was wearing a cutoff T-shirt, you know, like one of those muscle shirts, and he yelled at me, ‘You can’t wear that! Get out of here!’ And I said, ‘I’m in the gym.’ He said, ‘Get out of here!’ And I just walked away, but I muttered to myself, ‘Boy, if I ever get that power back …’ Then I caught myself, and I was like, ‘No, there’s no lesson in that. The guy’s doing his job.’ ” quote:Blagojevich has come to savor the small acts of kindness. On his first day, he tells me, a group of inmates presented him with the big-house version of a welcome basket. “They took up a collection and put together a gift bag and gave me a whole bunch of different stuff that I would need before I had a chance to go to the commissary.” Among the items were coffee, a couple of plastic mugs, and a toothbrush. “It was really kind of touching. You know, these are big, tough guys, drug dealers and gangbangers and bank robbers—they have so little, right?—and it’s kind of a sweet thing that they did, welcoming you to their world. I've always been blessed to have that effect on people." quote:“I’ve had a chance in prison over these many years to get closer, stronger in my faith,” says Blagojevich, once an altar boy at his Serbian Orthodox church. “The lessons from the Bible and scripture have been very helpful to me. It’s strengthened my strength." quote:In prison, nearly everyone has a nickname. “In my housing unit alone,” Blagojevich says, “there was Smelly, Socks, Sharkey, V, Mr. B, and Boo.” Blagojevich’s nickname? Gov, naturally.
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Didn't this basically happen in the Wisconsin gerrymandering case as well?
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I used to live about a mile away from the prison that Blagojevich is serving his sentence in. That's my story.
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The stolen SCOTUS seat probably won the 2016 election for them and it might save the house for them in 2018. A good lesson about how norms should be treated.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Rod Blagojevich is giving interviews from prison for some reason. Still just as clueless and hilarious as he was before. Im going to go with the comedy option: Rod is going to reform his image, get elected to another office, then get arrested for trying to sell an appointment again.
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Sep 13, 2017 02:57
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Paging McMagic The most conservative Senate Democrat wants to “explore” single-payer quote:Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) told Bloomberg that he was open to exploring a single-payer health insurance program.
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WillyTheNewGuy posted:Im going to go with the comedy option: Rod is going to reform his image, get elected to another office, then get arrested for trying to sell an appointment again. He saw that Arpaio got a pardon and the DOJ is looking to vacate his conviction and has said "anything is possible" and forgot that oops, he's a Democrat.
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KickerOfMice posted:That's the most American thing I've read all year. The rich are already murdering the homeless by politically denying them basic necessities like housing and mental health services. May as well cut out the middleman.
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Sep 13, 2017 03:12
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Pembroke Fuse posted:The rich are already murdering the homeless by politically denying them basic necessities like housing and mental health services. May as well cut out the middleman. A depressed 
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Not surprising. That's exactly their game anyway, keep drawing poo poo districts that can't be redrawn until after they've served their purpose, redraw them poo poo again, repeat as long as you can get away with it. I'd like to see something drastic done next time someone pulls this poo poo. Disallow them actually electing and seating someone until they have their districts approved.
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http://www.nbc29.com/story/36351919/black-lives-matter-group-covers-uva-jefferson-statue-lists-demands It was suggested that USPOL would be a better home for this, so I'm migrating the discussion about it here. I tend to agree with BLM about removing the Lee statue and about how strange it is to be honoring traitors 150 years after the Civil War era. But I question the wisdom of getting up - in the middle of Charlottesville, of all places - and putting a tarp over Jefferson. Even if they have a point about Jefferson being a slave owner and a rapist (and I think those are worthy avenues for discussion), I don't think it's smart to play into your opponent's hands by proving their point about "slippery slopes". I fear that stunts like this are going to make them a laughingstock and ruin whatever momentum they've been gaining.
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(bringing this over)F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:But stunts like this are not winning them any converts. All it's doing is proving the point of those who were whining about slippery slopes and "extremists". It's one thing to question the honor and patriotism of someone like Lee. But someone as relatively unimpeachable as Jefferson is a step too far; even for me, and I'm definitely sympathetic to their cause. They're going to make a laughingstock of themselves and destroy whatever momentum that was gained. The whiners have spent the nation's entire history proving that they're only mollified by one thing. Consider why you reflexively dismiss the opposition of people you're "sympathetic to" in defense of a "relatively unimpeachable" slaveowning serial rapist.
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Paracaidas posted:(bringing this over) I don't reflexively dismiss them, but I see your point. I don't want to come across like one of the milquetoast, handwringing types that these threads hate so much. But I question the wisdom of going after a founding father with the same fury as someone like Lee. A confederate general is one thing. It's definitely past time that we moved on from the Civil War and Jim Crow. Efforts like these, though, are going to look exactly like the politically correct history whitewashing that many people are wary of. We should absolutely have conversations about Jefferson and whether he was a hypocrite. BLM and its allies should continue with their general activities, but they need to be more smart/savvy about it. Going out and covering a Jefferson statue with a shroud is just going to repel people rather than bringing them into having a conversation.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Efforts like these, though, are going to look exactly like the politically correct history whitewashing that many people are wary of. oh no, people who don't like statues being removed and are racist will see this statue being removed and then use that to justify their already extant racism this is other people's fault, somehow F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Going out and covering a Jefferson statue with a shroud is just going to repel people rather than bringing them into having a conversation. it's weird how conversations need to happen when other folks take action, but then when nobody's taking action that conversation continues to not happen what a strange pattern. why it's almost like appeals to conversation or dialog are a weak excuse
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:http://www.nbc29.com/story/36351919/black-lives-matter-group-covers-uva-jefferson-statue-lists-demands gently caress thomas jefferson and all the founding fathers that weren't abolitionists.
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Sep 13, 2017 04:55
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Going out and covering a Jefferson statue with a shroud is just going to repel people rather than bringing them into having a conversation. Really? If I was walking in a park and went by a statue under a shroud, I'd look over to someone near by and ask, "What's with the shroud?" and just like that, we'd be having a conversation.
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I'm generally of the mind that if something is held sacred you better be able to explain why and Jefferson is a great example of why you need to be willing to examine people held up as heroic. We as a society need to be able to take the best of all of us and realize humans are not binary; there's a lot of people I hold in high regard but would never aspire to be myself because I have the gift of history and context to know where by our standards those people were lacking. Jefferson doesn't even make my top 5, which as I think as an interesting point of discussion for USPOL would be the following: 5. Clair Cameron Patterson 4. Norman Borlaug 3. Fred Rogers 2. Albert Einstein 1. Ike Eisenhower Each one of them could be considered heroes and yet the higher you get up on that list the more problematic things you can find. The more power they had in society, the more likely they did some heinous poo poo too, but that doesn't mean we don't try to repeat the good things. I'm reminded of the statue of liberty, how the poem of The New Colossus I think is a perfect example of an ideal we must reach for, cherish and exalt, even if we've so far failed to make that ideal true for everyone, especially people of color. Who else do people see as having done things worth emulating?
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wait what problematic poo poo did fred rogers ever do dont make me hate fred rogers
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I don't reflexively dismiss them, but I see your point. I don't want to come across like one of the milquetoast, handwringing types that these threads hate so much. But I question the wisdom of going after a founding father with the same fury as someone like Lee. A confederate general is one thing. It's definitely past time that we moved on from the Civil War and Jim Crow. Efforts like these, though, are going to look exactly like the politically correct history whitewashing that many people are wary of. How white are you?
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Yea, Concerned Student 1950 covered our TJ statue with a bunch of post-its that said racist. It was good. It got people talking. And hey, that movement went on to depose both a university president and a chancellor. So... maybe staging protests of Jefferson on college campuses can be productive parts of student movements.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:wait what problematic poo poo did fred rogers ever do As far as I know he's unimpeachable but I wanted to make sure people knew Ike and Albert were by no means perfect. Fred is as close to sainthood as humanly possible as I'm aware.
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Also, why is this thread not called "The Man Like a Tweet"?
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Edit: Never mind. I'm going to just end up digging a hole like others on these threads who earned everyone's wrath.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I see everyone's point, but consider this: we're all generally on the same page here. This is an anti-Trump, anti-confederate, somewhat radical (not meant in a bad way) group here. We see someone covering a Jefferson monument with a shroud and think "OK, great. Jefferson was a rapist and a slaveholder. gently caress him". You. Will. Not. Win. Over. Those. Assholes. Ok snark aside: the points to start a conversation. Anyone who's turned off by even that will not be convinced of anything using any rhetoric what so ever.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I see everyone's point, but consider this: we're all generally on the same page here. This is an anti-Trump, anti-confederate, somewhat radical (not meant in a bad way) group here. We see someone covering a Jefferson monument with a shroud and think "OK, great. Jefferson was a rapist and a slaveholder. gently caress him". We need new heroes, part of the crucible of history is people justifying why Jefferson shouldnt be covered up.
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i mean if they're not utterly unreachable then talk to them about what jefferson did and the message that celebrating him sends to black people. either you'll get them thinking about it seriously and they'll come round or they were unreachable anyway
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Mustached Demon posted:You. It's certainly true that if you look at Charlottesville and come away with "both sides are hate groups and should be condemned" , as a few of my friends/family members did, you're probably beyond hope. I see your point.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Edit: Never mind. I'm going to just end up digging a hole like others on these threads who earned everyone's wrath. Well you edited it, but consider this when talking about "middle America" if we wait until they'll approve before acting, when do we draw the line? Taking a historical example:  In what year did enough of "middle America" approve of interracial marriage for it to be the right thing to advocate in public in ways the opposition might call "disgusting"?
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Edit: Never mind. I'm going to just end up digging a hole like others on these threads who earned everyone's wrath. you're not ever going to make these people happy unless you completely capitulate and accept their view that blacks just need to quit whining and get jobs. look at how much colin capernick and other football players are angering them by refusing to stand for the national anthem. you're insisting that folks who get mad about statues being questioned can be rationally debated, i and many others question that assertion. we're just going to have to agree to disagree, not just you and me but the statue worshipers as well as the statue topplers
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:It's certainly true that if you look at Charlottesville and come away with "both sides are hate groups and should be condemned" , as a few of my friends/family members did, you're probably beyond hope. I see your point. Only actual, notified Nazis are probably beyond hope but we have to shift the conversation, and keep moving it so they can't settle into what's comfortable. Remember the enemy is literally reactionary thought and they will exhaust if they have to apply intellectual rigor, that is why they keep trying to hit the same points, the same cow bell over and over for 30 years. That is our glorious strength that we have over our opponents, we have no need to protect anything that isn't worth keeping.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:It's certainly true that if you look at Charlottesville and come away with "both sides are hate groups and should be condemned" , as a few of my friends/family members did, you're probably beyond hope. I see your point. yes. "they're both hate groups" is the same argument as "all lives matter", which is just "i dont want to have an opinion on this or say my opinion out loud because i fear being called a bigot, so i'm just going to say that both sides have problems to justify my inaction". at best these people are apathetic about institutional racism and the symbols of segregation and white supremacy, which is bad enough. what they fundamentally want is for activists to quiet down and not challenge the status quo
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boner confessor posted:yes. "they're both hate groups" is the same argument as "all lives matter", which is just "i dont want to have an opinion on this or say my opinion out loud because i fear being called a bigot, so i'm just going to say that both sides have problems to justify my inaction". at best these people are apathetic about institutional racism and the symbols of segregation and white supremacy, which is bad enough or they're devoid of critical thinking skills
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It's important to understand that people can have negatives about them, but you can still celebrate the good things they did.
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