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The MSJ posted:I guess the Harry Potter & The Cursed Child guy is not writing anymore? I want to know if Snoke is Palpatine's secret love child. Harry Potter and the Cursed Child stunned me with how bad it is from just a "this is the story I want to tell" level that its terribleness on the execution of that story washes over me.
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teagone posted:It's a documentary series, idiot. It was a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Maybe space works differently back then and there.
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euphronius posted:That's our best hope. Also leia and solo are dead dead dead. Abrams whole filmography is nostalgia trip.
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Sep 13, 2017 03:28
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Detective No. 27 posted:I was unaware Star Wars was a realistic depiction of outer space. Star Wars used to be hard sci-fi. JJ thinks every planet is like right next to each other like countries. I mean I am fully aware there is SOME fantasy elements in Star Wars but Starkiller sucking up a sun and using the power to shoot a laser across the galaxy (that every planet can see in the sky apparently) and then branch off into 6 "Smart" lasers that automatically destroy 6 planets that are right next to each other that apparently make up the entire Republic was really loving horseshit. As was the lazy tv style flashbacks and changing the mythology and the ground rules of the Star Wars Universe to suit JJ's phoned in lazy style of filmmaking. And Starkiller isn't even as dumb as that whole segment of Star Trek Into Darkness where they get out of hyper space far from earth and the ships are suspended in space, then one ship gets destroyed and somehow crashes into earth which was apparently right below it the whole time or JJ's Script for Man of Steel that makes me seriously question if he is even remotely familiar with the character or story.
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Sep 13, 2017 03:35
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Mr President posted:Star Wars used to be hard sci-fi. This is where I stopped reading.
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Mr President posted:Star Wars used to be hard sci-fi. JJ thinks every planet is like right next to each other like countries. I mean I am fully aware there is SOME fantasy elements in Star Wars but Starkiller sucking up a sun and using the power to shoot a laser across the galaxy (that every planet can see in the sky apparently) and then branch off into 6 "Smart" lasers that automatically destroy 6 planets that are right next to each other that apparently make up the entire Republic was really loving horseshit. As was the lazy tv style flashbacks and changing the mythology and the ground rules of the Star Wars Universe to suit JJ's phoned in lazy style of filmmaking. I mean..is the New Republic HQ being in the Hosnian system any more unbelievable than the Old Republic HQ being on Coruscant? And no...Star Wars has literally never been hard sci-fi.
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Sep 13, 2017 04:00
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Mr President posted:Star Wars used to be hard sci-fi. JJ thinks every planet is like right next to each other like countries. I mean I am fully aware there is SOME fantasy elements in Star Wars but Starkiller sucking up a sun and using the power to shoot a laser across the galaxy (that every planet can see in the sky apparently) and then branch off into 6 "Smart" lasers that automatically destroy 6 planets that are right next to each other that apparently make up the entire Republic was really loving horseshit. As was the lazy tv style flashbacks and changing the mythology and the ground rules of the Star Wars Universe to suit JJ's phoned in lazy style of filmmaking. what is hard sci fi
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romanowski posted:what is hard sci fi Hard sci fi portrays actual penetrative science, while soft sci fi is just simulated science.
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Sep 13, 2017 04:04
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romanowski posted:what is hard sci fi Hard Sci-f isi based on logically sound science, even if its more advanced than current tech. Think Interstellar; nothing is fantastical, space travel times are realistic, time dilation due to immense gravitational fields are a thing, etc. Soft sci-fi is more fast and loose with the rules. There's no real "reason" behind why FTL travel is possible, planets are single biomes; frequently fantastical biomes. Aliens are just people with funny noses. EDIT: Star Wars sometimes strays into hard SF territory in the EU materials, but mostly is more fantasy than hard science; and this is super-true for just the films jivjov fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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Sep 13, 2017 04:11
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Fun Fact: JJ wanted a scene during the final battle in TFA where Rey pilots an X-Wing and pops open the cockpit (in space), pulls out her lightsaber and rips a star destroyer in half with one hand holding a lightsaber and one hand on the controls of the X-wing. THIS is the kind of bullshit we are dealing with here. People who don't give a flying gently caress about staying true to the nature of Star Wars
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Sep 13, 2017 04:21
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jivjov posted:I mean..is the New Republic HQ being in the Hosnian system any more unbelievable than the Old Republic HQ being on Coruscant? You missed the point. Its not about the New Republic HQ its about how dumb the starkiller base is. Hurrr its an even bigger death star and it takes its energy by stealing light from the sun and firing a laser across the galaxy that can split into multiple smart lasers that can lock onto every republic planet at once. and people give the old Star Wars EU poo poo? GIVE ME A BREAK
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Sep 13, 2017 04:29
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Mr President posted:You missed the point. Its not about the New Republic HQ its about how dumb the starkiller base is. Hurrr its an even bigger death star and it takes its energy by stealing light from the sun and firing a laser across the galaxy that can split into multiple smart lasers that can lock onto every republic planet at once. Ah yes, because firing a laser through hyperspace is so much more unrealistic that telekinesis, laser swords, and FTL travel.
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Sep 13, 2017 04:30
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Mr President posted:Fun Fact: JJ wanted a scene during the final battle in TFA where Rey pilots an X-Wing and pops open the cockpit (in space), pulls out her lightsaber and rips a star destroyer in half with one hand holding a lightsaber and one hand on the controls of the X-wing. THIS is the kind of bullshit we are dealing with here. People who don't give a flying gently caress about staying true to the nature of Star Wars holy poo poo that would be fuckin badass
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Mr President posted:Fun Fact: JJ wanted a scene during the final battle in TFA where Rey pilots an X-Wing and pops open the cockpit (in space), pulls out her lightsaber and rips a star destroyer in half with one hand holding a lightsaber and one hand on the controls of the X-wing. THIS is the kind of bullshit we are dealing with here. People who don't give a flying gently caress about staying true to the nature of Star Wars Anakin could have done that in the opening dogfight in RotS and it wouldn't have been remotely out of place. romanowski posted:holy poo poo that would be fuckin badass gently caress yeah it would be. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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Schwarzwald posted:Anakin could have done that in the opening dogfight in RotS and it wouldn't have been remotely out of place. Anakin opening his cockpit while out in space to kill someone with a lightsaber would have indeed been boss as hell.
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Sep 13, 2017 04:33
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Mr President posted:Fun Fact: JJ wanted a scene during the final battle in TFA where Rey pilots an X-Wing and pops open the cockpit (in space), pulls out her lightsaber and rips a star destroyer in half with one hand holding a lightsaber and one hand on the controls of the X-wing. THIS is the kind of bullshit we are dealing with here. People who don't give a flying gently caress about staying true to the nature of Star Wars Honestly, who cares? Like, that sound silly, but who cares? JJ Abrams just makes movies/TV shows I like. Super 8, Alias, Star Trek 09, TFA, I just like them. He gets me. ed: He gets too much credit/damnation for Lost. He helped them with the pilot. Everything else was beyond his control.
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jivjov posted:Ah yes, because firing a laser through hyperspace is so much more unrealistic that telekinesis, laser swords, and FTL travel. So where do we draw the line then? Its called FICTION there is going to be SOME level of fantasy elements that doesn't mean its now a free for all for lazy filmmaking.
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Mr President posted:Star Wars used to be hard sci-fi. JJ thinks every planet is like right next to each other like countries. I mean I am fully aware there is SOME fantasy elements in Star Wars but Starkiller sucking up a sun and using the power to shoot a laser across the galaxy (that every planet can see in the sky apparently) and then branch off into 6 "Smart" lasers that automatically destroy 6 planets that are right next to each other that apparently make up the entire Republic was really loving horseshit. As was the lazy tv style flashbacks and changing the mythology and the ground rules of the Star Wars Universe to suit JJ's phoned in lazy style of filmmaking. True, the Death Star was much more plausible. 
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I'm annoyed with this as I can't see Abrams being able to see the universe beyond his own additions to the legacy. Maybe this is a controversial opinion, but I feel that Episode IX should really end with Rey vs Luke, as Luke goes to the dark side and mows down Ren. Everything about the way Luke has been positioned going into VIII (not to mention it's title) suggest an eventual turn to end the Jedi order with himself. Ren was a successful merchandising character, but he clearly signals a guy in over his head, whose going to end up being usurped by something far darker than what he projects himself as. Hamill is a surprisingly great villain actor, and it'd be a fitting end to this four loving decade long build to essentially clean out both the Skywalker legacy of the first trilogy and the old Jedi politics legacy of the second to just make Luke Skywalker a bad guy and a newcomer who reluctantly answers the call of the force to cut him down. Then you have a clean slate for movies down the road that aren't necessarily about these old characters and crusty concepts. But having watched enough of Abrams work, we're going to end the next trilogy on Millennial Skywalker vs Millennial Sith Lords Round 2, while the actors we all know and love stand in the background and grow proud.
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This would have gone a long way in giving the movie some of it's own identity and drowned out a lot of the ANH remake complaints. Star Wars is a mashup of practically everything... The series is unique for not giving a poo poo about any lines.
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Sep 13, 2017 04:40
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Science fiction can be interpreted based on the extent to which its premise exceeds what is scientifically plausible, or, in a correlated way, by the extent to which the characters' use of scientific reasoning informs their actions. A work's position along this spectrum is indicated by calling it "hard" or "soft." When interpreting science fiction qua science fiction, especially in the context of the history of its publication, it is narrowly useful. Writers have been known to set rules for themselves about their work's hardness, in a manner analogous to mystery writers ensuring their work is "fair," by employing only fantastical elements that are theoretically possible and consistent with contemporary science with a (self-imposed and arbitrary) limited number of changes. Writers inclined to make a show of their genre conformance, especially weaker writers, sometimes excessively describe their justification for the realism of their counterfactuals. Hard science fiction typically involves involves a minimum number of inventions of the writer, which follow scientifically discoverable, universally consistent, material attributes, and whose enablement of narratively interesting scenarios is logical. In light of this concept, Star Wars has generally been acknowledged as an example of either extremely soft science fiction, or so soft that it is not even science fiction, but rather fantasy. Under this genre definition (and understanding that genre is descriptive, fluid, and informal), fantasy means that no attempt is made to justify any counterfactual in the premise with respect to reality, only with respect to its own internal consistency, so that they can be unrestricted literalizations of metaphor.
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Bongo Bill posted:Science fiction can be interpreted based on the extent to which its premise exceeds what is scientifically plausible, or, in a correlated way, by the extent to which the characters' use of scientific reasoning informs their actions. A work's position along this spectrum is indicated by calling it "hard" or "soft." There is nothing SOFT about this:  I had the flight stick, throttle, and rudders and read every Rogue Squadron novel. Take it from me Star Wars is as real as it gets. Mr President fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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Abrams got brought back on because he has no quarrels with being micromanaged by the studio. Directors and screenwriters barely have any agency in cinematic universes. It's why Disney is having problems with hiring skilled directors, as well as having to fire lovely ones.
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RedSpider posted:Abrams got brought back on because he has no quarrels with being micromanaged by the studio. Directors and screenwriters barely have any agency in cinematic universes. It's why Disney is having problems with hiring skilled directors, as well as having to fire lovely ones. Yet other cinematic universes are having no issues locking in fresh directors DC locked in Patty Jenkins (Monster), James Wan (The Conjuring, Insidious), and Matt Reeves (Cloverfield, Let me in, Dawn of the planet of the apes) Marvel got Taika Waititi, James Gunn, Ryan Coogler and Scott Derrickson. and even WB's Kaiju Cinematic Universe has been pretty successful to get up and coming directors to turn in successful projects. From Gareth Edwards to Adam Wingard and Michael Dougherty. Lucasfilm doesn't seem to know what it wants and Iger has them on a rushed schedule to boot. Mr President fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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Mr President posted:Opening Crawl already leaked by Bad Robot Employees Jubba the Hatt, dumbass
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'Soft' Science Fiction is synonymous with Science Fantasy, and this means simply that we are immersed into a character's fantasy within a sci-fi setting. What this means is that 'hard' and 'soft' are determined entirely by how a given film is read. Star Wars can be read three ways: 1) Luke is a normal person who gains literal magic powers because he believes in himself a lot. 2) Luke has no actual powers. He's just an idiot in a cult. 3) Luke is a mutant and his powers come from midichlorians. These powers can be measured scientifically. Interpretation #1 is Science Fantasy, while 2 and 3 are 'Hard' Sci-Fi. When the prequels made #3 'canon', the series became more conducive to being interpreted that way - but it is still possible for fans to be midichlorian deniers.
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Mr President posted:There is nothing SOFT about this: lol
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I'm really not a fan of the Abrams news. I guess it's clear that Disney got tired of wrangling directors and went with someone they knew would just do what they want.
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romanowski posted:what is hard sci fi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFCvJBS-R58
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Mr President posted:Star Wars used to be hard sci-fi. JJ thinks every planet is like right next to each other like countries. I mean I am fully aware there is SOME fantasy elements in Star Wars but Starkiller sucking up a sun and using the power to shoot a laser across the galaxy (that every planet can see in the sky apparently) and then branch off into 6 "Smart" lasers that automatically destroy 6 planets that are right next to each other that apparently make up the entire Republic was really loving horseshit. As was the lazy tv style flashbacks and changing the mythology and the ground rules of the Star Wars Universe to suit JJ's phoned in lazy style of filmmaking. Is this a joke post? Star Wars has never been "hard sci-fi". It's always been the perfect example of the opposite of that. It has space wizards using mind powers and traveling through space using unexplained "hyperspace" to destroy mechanical moons that can blow up planets. It's fantasy set in space. Doctor loving Who has more science than Star Wars. JJ Trek was Star Trek made by a man raised on Star Wars, so he treated the science like Star Wars does (by saying "gently caress it").
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thrawn527 posted:Is this a joke post? Star Wars has never been "hard sci-fi". It's always been the perfect example of the opposite of that. It has space wizards using mind powers and traveling through space using unexplained "hyperspace" to destroy mechanical moons that can blow up planets. It's fantasy set in space. Doctor loving Who has more science than Star Wars. The Starkiller base weapon destroying Hosnian sequence was so poorly thought out, and badly implemented, that it punctured the suspension of disbelief in a movie featuring space wizards using mind powers and traveling through space using unexplained "hyperspace" to destroy mechanical moons that can blow up planets. How does a director who did that ever get another space film again?
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romanowski posted:holy poo poo that would be fuckin badass RULES OF NATURE
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NTRabbit posted:The Starkiller base weapon destroying Hosnian sequence was so poorly thought out, and badly implemented, that it punctured the suspension of disbelief in a movie featuring space wizards using mind powers and traveling through space using unexplained "hyperspace" to destroy mechanical moons that can blow up planets. How does a director who did that ever get another space film again? Conversely, no it didn't. It's always been made up fantasy nonsense. I don't know why this is what broke your suspension of disbelief. He got another space film because his last one made over $2 billion.
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Mr President posted:Star Wars used to be hard sci-fi. holy snokes I guess you could claim Star Wars were hard sci-fi if it had been written by a WWI Sopwith Camel pilot who had no idea what outer space was.
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thrawn527 posted:Conversely, no it didn't. It's always been made up fantasy nonsense. I don't know why this is what broke your suspension of disbelief. That's the moment all the sci fi parts of the movie become a white noise, nothing makes sense and we don't care
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thrawn527 posted:Conversely, no it didn't. It's always been made up fantasy nonsense. I don't know why this is what broke your suspension of disbelief. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HmWDdmTAE8 1m22s it's honestly the stupidest poo poo, OP it breaks the suspension of disbelief because it operates radically differently from any other weapon or device or anything we've ever seen in a star war
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UmOk posted:Different = bad if the point was that it was different then that is good except it was the same empire shooting the same death star except it was...A PLANET and it shoots MORE THAN ONE....and that's it? in ANH we get a very clear visual outline of how the whole thing works: - they find a planet - they have to have a clear shot at it - tarkin says they can fire at it - a guy pulls a lever down - creepy, descending sound, like calm before the storm - a guy signals like, across a thing - dudes in helmets avert their eyes - it shoots energetically and with great force in a straight line - planet dies i mean i guess there's a reading where hux's rage is being made manifest and the death star is reaching out to smite those planets as an extension of the first order but i guess my point is that there's visual language that shows the death star in ANH being the "technologial terror" that vader talks about--it's mechanical and sterile and full of process; blowing up alderaan is almost bureaucratic in the way the DS operates. like i always loved how when they get clear to shoot yavin their screens like, remove layers and stuff, like a table being cleared off or forms being signed in tfa it's just the Original Character Do Not Steal of death stars it's bad Waffles Inc. fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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