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get that OUT of my face posted:oh, i know. if anybody is in brooklyn, vote for the slate of anti-machine judges on the ballot this tuesday. this village voice article has a good rundown of the process and the guy challenging seddio consider not just voting for either slate! There's info on the judicial race from someone who did (convincing) in-depth personal research here. onefish has issued a correction as of 20:10 on Sep 12, 2017 |
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onefish posted:consider not just voting for either slate! There's info on the judicial race from someone who did (convincing) in-depth personal research here. quote:Fliedner looks better than Swern on paper. But he also reeks of a certain kind of entitled white male liberality that I instinctively suspect could do a lot of harm in a position of so much power over people of color. However, Swern is only a little better in that department.  only fliedner and dwimoh put ending broken windows policing in their campaign platforms. i voted fliedner because he seemed more forceful about it in the debate that i saw and has the protest resignation to back up his convictions, swern was a close second in my eyes because the community justice centers she put in red hook and brownsville have done a lot to help those neighborhoods, and then dwimoh because her platform was good but she didn't bring it up too much. hopefully they all run again in different races and win other than that, good rundown. i voted early this morning but otherwise i would have taken the judicial slate into consideration. reaching out to some random schmo does count for something mostly poo poo all around primary-wise in NYC. we may have a theocrat caucus in city council with greenfield's pick getting in, diaz sr. winning his primary, and utter shitstain cabrera winning quite handily. cumbo, eugene, and brannan all won, but i was completely expecting that- cumbo's a good bullshitter, eugene had a billion primary opponents, and lol at a socialist winning in a district that includes dyker heights and bay ridge. gjonaj and robert rodriguez may stilll pull out victories, and the moya/monserrate tilt has no good result at least felix ortiz lost, his entry into the race was every bit as craven as greenfield suddenly leaving. and that carpetbagger ronnie cho got loving stomped. lying about derek jeter's endorsement probably didn't factor in but lol at it anyway get that OUT of my face has issued a correction as of 02:57 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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dead heat for my girl Diana Ayala against Rodriguez, my vote might Matter! e: ooh up 2 with 85% reporting
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Up here in Albany it seems like incumbent Sheehan and her slate have won the day. I thought Commisso was going on the Independence line as well, but I don't see it in the results (perhaps they didn't put that up for primaries?)
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Matt Zerella posted:ElYateem lost I thought his socialist credentials were p weak sauce, but it's still too bad he lost considering the competition.
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Upstate politics are extremely good and as depressing as ever. http://www.dailyfreeman.com/general-news/20170912/primary-day-in-rhinebeck-12-poll-watchers-3-voters The Daily Freeman posted:The poll watchers said they broke out in applause when the first person showed up to vote — only to find out that person wasn’t registered.
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Matt Zerella posted:ElYateem lost
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Tweezer Reprise posted:Upstate politics are extremely good and as depressing as ever. Rural areas, man.
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whelp, guess i need to volunteer for Brisport's (inevitably doomed) campaign
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Tweezer Reprise posted:Upstate politics are extremely good and as depressing as ever. Well 3 out of 30 registered in the party. Can't really say much about people not showing up when it's for a tiny nobody third party. Nice waste of money for the poll watchers though!
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So one of the guys from Last Podcast on the Left is running for Brooklyn Borough President. 2017 is a weird loving year
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KomradeX posted:So one of the guys from Last Podcast on the Left is running for Brooklyn Borough President. 2017 is a weird loving year Is he campaigning on dismantling Wall Street's numerous child sex slave rings?
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MizPiz posted:Is he campaigning on dismantling Wall Street's numerous child sex slave rings? That one of his endorsements was from Gary Johnson makes me think other wise. I'm actually not sure what party he even ran under. Did the Republicans have their primary too, cause he talks about having to defeat them and I can't remember the last time a Republican was elected to that office
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DSA is doing a forum on the constitutional convention. Facebook event is here -----> Con Con Forum NYC DSA posted:Should The Left Want A Constitution Convention?
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GalacticAcid posted:DSA is doing a forum on the constitutional convention. I can tell you TWU and most Unions I know of are very fearful of how a convention would go, and urging us to vote against it.
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grah posted:I can tell you TWU and most Unions I know of are very fearful of how a convention would go, and urging us to vote against it. The funny part is that the attacks they fear are likely to happen regardless of the ConCon happening or not.
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grah posted:I can tell you TWU and most Unions I know of are very fearful of how a convention would go, and urging us to vote against it. I am opposed and will be lobbying my friends to vote no.
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KomradeX posted:That one of his endorsements was from Gary Johnson makes me think other wise. I'm actually not sure what party he even ran under. Did the Republicans have their primary too, cause he talks about having to defeat them and I can't remember the last time a Republican was elected to that office apparently he's running as Reform Party.
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grah posted:I can tell you TWU and most Unions I know of are very fearful of how a convention would go, and urging us to vote against it. yeah my union said its doom to collective bargaining and pensions
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Real hurthling! posted:yeah my union said its doom to collective bargaining and pensions Why not organize your union with other unions across the state and put into the new constitution mandatory collective bargaining and pensions?
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Why not organize your union with other unions across the state and put into the new constitution mandatory collective bargaining and pensions? The unions' political analysts seem to think that we will lose that fight. I mean, we can probably expect the convention to be slightly tilted towards Democrats, so, we'll have an argument between rabidly anti labor Republicans and sort of blithely pro corporate Democrats. That's not a something capital-L Labor is going to enjoy. Edit: I mean I desperately want to be optimistic and think we could do well out of a constitutional convention but given that there is not actually an active pro-labor party in this state, it doesn't seem like this is a great time. Virtually no one in my union trusts Democrats to represent the interests of working people at this point.
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grah posted:The unions' political analysts seem to think that we will lose that fight. I mean, we can probably expect the convention to be slightly tilted towards Democrats, so, we'll have an argument between rabidly anti labor Republicans and sort of blithely pro corporate Democrats. That's not a something capital-L Labor is going to enjoy. Well they shouldn't trust democrats, but given the unique man-power and cooperation that unions have, and they way that each county sends a representative to the convention, you don't really need to depend on either party to represent your interests at a Con-Con. You guys can do it yourselves! And while you are at it you can put Ranked-choice instant run-off in the new constitution so that the two-party system in New York State politics is dismantled.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Well they shouldn't trust democrats, but given the unique man-power and cooperation that unions have, and they way that each county sends a representative to the convention, you don't really need to depend on either party to represent your interests at a Con-Con. You guys can do it yourselves! Pretty sure the math on that one county one vote also fucks us. Hamilton County and its 4300 residents will have as much power as Kings County and its 2.5 million residents. It might be bad. Can Labor carry 32/62 counties? Almost certainly not. Can right to work gently caress you got mine republicans? Quite possibly.
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GalacticAcid posted:What does the delegate selection process even look like Off the top of my head, each county in the state gets 1 delegate which will be elected in the general election in 2018. Not sure what the qualifications are for being on the ballot, I assume it's collecting X number of signatures like current ballot access works. grah posted:Pretty sure the math on that one county one vote also fucks us. Hamilton County and its 4300 residents will have as much power as Kings County and its 2.5 million residents. It might be bad. Can Labor carry 32/62 counties? Almost certainly not. Can right to work gently caress you got mine republicans? Quite possibly. Well surely there are labor unions up in Hamilton County, if there aren't why not? Why not organize some outreach? What about other counties in the state? Albany, etc etc. If you assume everything is bad and will always be bad, and do nothing to change it even when given the opportunity, then guess what, you've created a self-fulfilling prophecy. Oh and here is a graphic: 
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Why not organize your union with other unions across the state and put into the new constitution mandatory collective bargaining and pensions? cause thats an assload of work that could easily turn out worse than printing "stay the course" bumper stickers
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de blasio announced all buildings must be green by 2030 or face fines equal to 2xsq. ft. of the building in dollars per year. get ready for some insane landmarks fights.
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Real hurthling! posted:de blasio announced all buildings must be green by 2030 or face fines equal to 2xsq. ft. of the building in dollars per year. Awesome. Now we just need a 100% vacancy tax. As in for every vacant unit you own, you pay tax equal to the rent you are trying to charge if it stays vacant.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:
This isn't everything. This is one thing. Unions ought to do more to further genera leftist aims but the organizing apparatus for a statewide electoral fight does not exist, and it's very unlikely that an effective one can be implemented in time for the convention. And the resources spent on that effort would detract from current priorities which more directly and immediately impact the various memberships. It's okay for unions to be against this convention. It's not the same as being paralyzed by pessimism.
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GalacticAcid posted:DSA is doing a forum on the constitutional convention.
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my union hasn't said poo poo about a constitutional convention, I hadn't heard about it until this thread. But then you've got the other entertainment unions here who are overwhelmingly trumpy as if they can't commit suicide fast enough.
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Snowy posted:my union hasn't said poo poo about a constitutional convention, I hadn't heard about it until this thread. But then you've got the other entertainment unions here who are overwhelmingly trumpy as if they can't commit suicide fast enough.
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get that OUT of my face posted:you mean stage workers and the like? i'd sooner think they'd be anti-trump considering how they work in something as fabulously gay as theater You're either vastly overestimating Trump's homophobia or vastly underestimating just how terrible theater people can be, maybe both.
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get that OUT of my face posted:you mean stage workers and the like? i'd sooner think they'd be anti-trump considering how they work in something as fabulously gay as theater More like film/tv. But I think the theater crews are just as chud-like for the most part. A lot of white flight commuter wannabe tough guys.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Well surely there are labor unions up in Hamilton County, if there aren't why not? Why not organize some outreach? What about other counties in the state? Albany, etc etc. So, a key thing that concon supporters are yet to articulate to me is why we need a con to accomplish anything that they are supporting as a policy proposal. At best, the argument seems to be "we can get a lot of stuff done that the senate has blocked!" The problem with the endrun around the senate argument is that all of the reasons the senate can block progressive legislation? (Lobbyist/financial capture by special interests, heavily gerrymandered upstate districts...) - the structure of a concon is even more favorable to the exact interests that oppose the things progressives want to do. If you think senate districts are gerrymandered now, wait until it's one representative per county and upstate runs utterly roughshod over the city. Saying "why not just organize in Hamilton county" sounds great. But if that's all it takes, why not just do that and flip the loving senate, (ed: I am all for this BTW. Let's do that rather than fighting amongst ourselves about a concon) rather than opening the can of worms that is a convention? What specifically does a convention do for progressives that a normal piece of legislation passing does not? Because I can tell you what it does for the right: it puts every important protection to labor rights and equal rights that is already in the constitution on the table for revocation in a way that they would never be in the regular order of business in Albany.
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The concon is easier then waiting around to die. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxPQfx6UWiA
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:The concon is easier then waiting around to die. Now who's creating a self fulfilling prophecy about everything being bad and always being bad?
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MizPiz posted:You're either vastly overestimating Trump's homophobia or vastly underestimating just how terrible theater people can be, maybe both.
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