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bandaid.friend posted:The envelope is too soggy now, the ink is running Request ten more surveys.
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bandaid.friend posted:I got the survey form but the ABS' return envelope uses that glue where you have to lick it, it's super gross so I won't be participating  Un-ironically, a strategy raised by the LNP to deal with poor districts.
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Sep 13, 2017 08:17
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Anidav posted:
Who could have guessed that the silent majority was hiding out in Longreach?
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Sep 13, 2017 08:20
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I kinda love the big ol' void of opinion that is South Australia
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Sep 13, 2017 08:22
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Anyone here planning a NO vote? My intuition was that "no voters" were a real minority in Australia and the stats in the poll that was posted seems to confirm that. I can't help but get the impression that more people seem to think the two sides are more balanced than the evidence suggests.
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No voters gonna have to do a values check cause when your side is supported by neo nazis you know you hosed up
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Sep 13, 2017 08:48
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Saw that my ABS envelope arrived, so I went out and letterboxed 100 leaflets for Yes. Homeowners will collect the leaflet and their envelope at the same time, I imagine.
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AgentF posted:Saw that my ABS envelope arrived, so I went out and letterboxed 100 leaflets for Yes. Homeowners will collect the leaflet and their envelope at the same time, I imagine. Should have just taken the 100 surveys instead
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Sep 13, 2017 09:00
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I got 4 surveys because the previous occupants of my lovely rental place didn't update their details. What happens if i call the ABS and tell them I never got them and to send more? Can they tell if the first lot have been sent in and counted? What happens if more than one vote from the same person is counted and one is for yes and the other is for no? Which one do they go with?
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I wonder how many people are mysteriously going to receive no envelope at all. I'm thinking a lot.
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Knorth posted:I kinda love the big ol' void of opinion that is South Australia To be fair, the bit that actually has people in, is colored in red.
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AgentF posted:Saw that my ABS envelope arrived, so I went out and letterboxed 100 leaflets for Yes. Homeowners will collect the leaflet and their envelope at the same time, I imagine. If the polls are to be trusted, it's not really even necessary. The yes box (that it looks like all of us will be checking) is going to completely outscore the "no"s. Additionally, for the "no"ers doing it for religious reasons, they'll surely be unlikely to change their minds owing to a leaflet and for those people complaining about feeling "bullied by the far left," I imagine they'll just look at the leaflet as a weird confirmation of all of that. But I'll stop speculating. Of those 100 leaflets, how many NOs do you think you'll turn into YESes?
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Sep 13, 2017 09:02
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Anidav posted:I didn't get a survey today. Me either. Mind you it's a staggered roll out going on over the next week or two.
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061469 posted:But I'll stop speculating. Of those 100 leaflets, how many NOs do you think you'll turn into YESes? There's a pretty sizeable portion of people who are unsure, or who do care but not necessarily enough to vote. It's not just about convering a NO into a YES.
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Sep 13, 2017 09:13
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061469 posted:Anyone here planning a NO vote? You can't really use this thread as a sample for the population at large. If we represented the greater Australian population then every election would be between the Greens and Labor with the LNP picking up a couple of seats.
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Anidav posted:I didn't get a survey today. My family did, but my partner (who lives with us and is registered here, for years) didn't. Wonder why? Her last name is actually a little before ours alphabetically if they're doing that. No stress though, sure it'll turn up 
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Senor Tron posted:You can't really use this thread as a sample for the population at large. If we represented the greater Australian population then every election would be between the Greens and Labor with the LNP picking up a couple of seats. I'm not using this thread. I'm using the poll results that were posted which specifically does cover the population at large. I think it's fair to say that the "no vote" looks like it stands no chance. Good news. I'm not attributing this to you, but the whole vibe that we (Australia) are riddled with neo-nazis and a homopobic majority just doesn't really seem to have much actual evidence supporting it.
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gay picnic defence posted:I got 4 surveys because the previous occupants of my lovely rental place didn't update their details. I haven't received mine yet but I'm in the same situation. I got some mail last week about changing electoral boundaries where I live and there was one letter each for me and the 3 previous tenants, so I expect to get multiple surveys too. It'll be a shame if those people don't get their opinion heard. Might have to help them out...
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061469 posted:Anyone here planning a NO vote? Wrong website. Ask again on Facebook.
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Sep 13, 2017 09:24
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I dunno if people are joking but if you tamper with the survey you're just reducing its legitimacy even further...which will probably just hurt the yes vote.
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061469 posted:I'm not using this thread. Hopefully and probably the yes vote is going to romp it in. I think most of the worry comes from the fact this is a non-compulsory vote which is a out of the normal thing for Australia, along with the last 18 months showing that complacency about certain victories can seriously backfire.
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Sep 13, 2017 09:27
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Yes, this is no time for complacency. Even this postal survey is an attempt to manipulate the demographics and I'm sure they'll do everything in their power to skew the results as much as possible. Let's not have ourselves a Trump/Brexit situation. We can't allow this to turn into propaganda for the No side by sitting at home and saying it doesn't matter. Everyone who is in favour of marriage equality needs to make sure that they vote. This is the opportunity to return a colossal Yes vote and ram it up Turnbull's arse.
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Sep 13, 2017 09:30
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AgentF posted:Yes, this is no time for complacency. Even this postal survey is an attempt to manipulate the demographics and I'm sure they'll do everything in their power to skew the results as much as possible. Let's not have ourselves a Trump/Brexit situation. I think Turnbull really does support SSM, it's just that he supports retaining lib leadership more. This plebiscite is happening because he won't risk upsetting the conservative fuckwits that inhabit the lnp.
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AgentF posted:... This is the opportunity to return a colossal Yes vote and ram it up Turnbull's arse. Uh, Turnbull appears to be on the "yes" side of things. At least as of now. I'm guessing he sees it all falling exactly the way I do - that the NO vote stands no chance. quote:Malcolm Turnbull throws support behind same-sex marriage
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Don Dongington posted:Ditch iiNet for starters. Buzz telecom if they service your area and you want a no frills nbn package. no modem rental if you have one already, no phone package required if you don't want it etc. Of course, once everyone in your area is on HFC 18 months after it is first switched on and they turn off the old network then everybody will be congested all the time.
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bigis posted:I dunno if people are joking but if you tamper with the survey you're just reducing its legitimacy even further...which will probably just hurt the yes vote. I see it as mitigating against a NO vote. Marriage equality is happening, it's just a question of if we have to wait for a ALP government, enough LNP MPs to crack the shits and cross the floor or if YES passes and we get a conscience vote this year. So if YES passes it doesn't really matter if turnout was 50% or 200%, it's happening. If NO passes, a 200% voter turnout weakens the case for NO despite the result and makes it easier to justify changing the law later on once we get a non-poo poo government. Regardless of what happens a 200% voter turnout makes the people who demanded the survey take place look like a bunch of idiots and show the whole thing to be an expensive farce.
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061469 posted:Uh, Turnbull appears to be on the "yes" side of things. Forgive me if I don't trust the motives of the man who has compromised every single one of his convictions in order to continue hanging on to power. This plebiscite is itself a colossal waste of money in order for the Liberals to attempt to avoid doing their own jobs. Marriage equality is an issue for the floor of parliament. The fact that this survey is happening at all is in itself an insulting mess by a leader who has let the right wing nut jobs effectively run his party. I don't care what side he "appears" to be on if he doesn't support his own convictions enough to rein in the party that he's supposed to be leader of. Why doesn't he push for this to be addressed on the floor of parliament like a true supporter of marriage equality would? Why won't he make a joint statement with Bill Shorten? Why won't he dispute the insulting false claims made by members of his own party?
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The bigger the yes vote is the more Turnbull can be dismissed as doing too little too late. He's going to come out of this with the conservatives unhappy and the left giv8ng him zero credit for it passing.
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Sep 13, 2017 09:51
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I very much support marriage equality which is why I'm allowing the bigots against it to run a hate campaign against a vulnerable demographic before an unscientific non-binding non-legislative postal poll also it costs a hundred million dollars
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Sep 13, 2017 09:54
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I, for one, am happy that Turnbull is on record as pro SSM. I wish even more people were. Both leaders of both major parties currently being on the same page on this probably does a fair bit of good when it comes to spreading acceptance.
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Sep 13, 2017 10:10
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if only we had some recent example of a non-compulsory vote called solely for a weak wet conservative leader to strengthen their position within their own party spectacularly backfiring
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061469 posted:Uh, Turnbull appears to be on the "yes" side of things. Sure, except for this: bandaid.friend posted:I very much support marriage equality which is why I'm allowing the bigots against it to run a hate campaign against a vulnerable demographic before an unscientific non-binding non-legislative postal poll also it costs a hundred million dollars 061469 posted:Both leaders of both major parties currently being on the same page on this probably does a fair bit of good when it comes to spreading acceptance. Well gee, if it's so contentious an issue that both major party leaders agree with it, good thing it's been put to an expensive survey that encourages people to call me a tranny human being irl more than they already do instead of just having a parliamentary vote on it 
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Sep 13, 2017 10:16
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I for one am glad that Flux/Senator Online has managed to hold government without winning a single seat
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Yeah, if you seriously cared about the rights and well-being of gay Australians then you would not want to reward Turnbull for the way he has handled this issue. It has been damaging, misleading, wasteful and treats LBGT Australians with contempt.
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Box of Bunnies posted:Well gee, if it's so contentious an issue that both major party leaders agree with it, good thing it's been put to an expensive survey that encourages people to call me a tranny human being irl more than they already do instead of just having a parliamentary vote on it I imagine that people who are opposed to SSM being confronted with the reality that they are in an absolute minority might do some good to shut them up in the long-term... unless they want to denounce the democratic spirit of a survey like this. People live in their own little echo chambers and a national yes vote of 60-80% is going to reality-smack more than a small handful of people. If you and I are called faggots today to avoid us and others being mean-spiritedly called that in the future, that's a price I'm prepared to pay, but we're all different. That's fine. That's fair and I get it. I just worry about how vitriolic and vocal the people who are opposed to SSM would be if they genuinely felt their voices weren't heard at all on the issue before it was settled. I seriously think things would be worse for longer, but I'll admit I'm just guessing.
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061469 posted:I imagine that people who are opposed to SSM being confronted with the reality that they are in an absolute minority might do some good to shut them up in the long-term... unless they want to denounce the democratic spirit of a survey like this. People live in their own little echo chambers and a national yes vote of 60-80% is going to reality-smack more than a small handful of people. The cognitive dissonance created by such a result would have them reaching for all kinds of conspiracy theories as to why YES got up despite everyone one their facebook vehemently voting NO
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